Surecast never felt like a decent tool back pre-Stormblood, this much I think most can agree on. It had its uses, but they were niche to say the least. So when I read that it was changed to make you resist knockback and draw-in as well like Tempered Will (and now Arm's reach), I thought about trying it (more like abusing it) as soon as I started leveling BLM. Sirensong Sea, very first boss, no dice. So I guess it DOES NOT work against all knockbacks and draw-ins. Still gotta experiment on most bosses (primarily endgame, still need to set foot in EX), as of right now it only worked against Landslides and Bardam's Mettle final boss.
Plus it doesn't really help that the buff disappears as soon as you start casting, making it even less useful- you still lose some measure of uptime, regardless if you stay still or you cast after you activate SC. You can't use it to cast during a Tidal Wave, for example - you gotta stay still for the attack to go off before you start casting again.
So I ask: what's the point of a skill that is supposed to allow you to cast a single spell uninterrupted and resist knockback/draw-ins, but the latter only applies if you aren't casting a spell? What are your thoughts on the matter?
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06-30-2017, 12:02 AMColdestHeavenAbout Surecast in 4.0
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06-30-2017, 09:45 AMSylvain
Its a crap talent, they should just make that it allows cast while moving.
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06-30-2017, 09:51 AMLunarEmerald
Melee gets a cd that lets them ignore positionals then casters should get a cd that lets them cast while moving. Only fair.
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06-30-2017, 10:03 AMHasrat
How is "cast while moving" any different than Swiftcast?
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06-30-2017, 10:15 AMSunakoSkill land on target faster with swiftcast or would not get benefit with long casts like flare or veraero or something like that. if you cast veraero 5 sec with surecast it would surely be different than casting instantly veraero with swiftcast because cast time is longer than global cooldown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasrat
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06-30-2017, 12:35 PMNovaLevossida
I would prefer just about anything else. Since the knockback / draw in immunity doesn't work on anything worth trying to use it on, I wish they'd just change it to where it makes your next spell consume no MP instead. SMN and RDM get a free combat raise, and BLM gets a free Flare or Fire IV.
Or change it into something like Duality to allow your next spell to hit twice.
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06-30-2017, 12:45 PMKabooa
#MakeSureCastIntoFreeCast
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06-30-2017, 05:05 PMRongway
Surecast is great.
Don't talk them into taking away one of our "Additional effect: Ignores mechanics" buttons just because people don't know when and how to use it right. -
06-30-2017, 06:59 PMKoyuki38
Make Surecast great again
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07-01-2017, 05:57 AMChiraisuPretty much every mechanic you would want to use it on bypasses it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
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07-01-2017, 06:10 AMAlkimiAs soon as we went into Susano Ex it was found out as being useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
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07-01-2017, 10:43 AMRongwayQuote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
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Originally Posted by Chiraisu
Yeah, that's the only fight in the game with a knockback mechanic that you'd want to defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
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07-01-2017, 11:45 AMColdestHeavenYou could try being a little less sarcastic and a little more prone to explain your point of view, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
Thing is, this skill doesn't work on both currently released primals, sadly - and they are supposed to be, if even for a couple more days, the 'endgame'. I will say that I still haven't tested it in old content aside from Titan (and Landslide still packed a punch...), but we are still talking about old content. It DOES work on some current skills (namely Tidal Wave and Swole), but it's a kind of content that can easily be cleared without it even with a cast-heavy class such as BLM, which is the job I used to test it. Skills, I repeat, not "mechanics" (you can't avoid using Vrils in Lakshmi, that'd certainly be a mechanic to be ignore) - and mind you, I love knockback-ignoring skills in any game, I do recognize both its value and its fun.
My point in the OP was, though, that Surecast feels counterintuitive to use when it removes itself on the very moment you start casting, rather than prolonging its effects during the cast. Would it not make more sense for the skill to work when I'm casting, rather than when I'm not?