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    ColdestHeaven's Avatar
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    Seyrleen Cinderbraid
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    Ragnarok
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    Machinist Lv 80

    About Surecast in 4.0

    Surecast never felt like a decent tool back pre-Stormblood, this much I think most can agree on. It had its uses, but they were niche to say the least. So when I read that it was changed to make you resist knockback and draw-in as well like Tempered Will (and now Arm's reach), I thought about trying it (more like abusing it) as soon as I started leveling BLM. Sirensong Sea, very first boss, no dice. So I guess it DOES NOT work against all knockbacks and draw-ins. Still gotta experiment on most bosses (primarily endgame, still need to set foot in EX), as of right now it only worked against Landslides and Bardam's Mettle final boss.

    Plus it doesn't really help that the buff disappears as soon as you start casting, making it even less useful- you still lose some measure of uptime, regardless if you stay still or you cast after you activate SC. You can't use it to cast during a Tidal Wave, for example - you gotta stay still for the attack to go off before you start casting again.

    So I ask: what's the point of a skill that is supposed to allow you to cast a single spell uninterrupted and resist knockback/draw-ins, but the latter only applies if you aren't casting a spell? What are your thoughts on the matter?
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    Sylvain's Avatar
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    Sylvestre Solscribe
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Its a crap talent, they should just make that it allows cast while moving.
    The difference between trash and good crossskill is outrageous sometime
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    LunarEmerald's Avatar
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Melee gets a cd that lets them ignore positionals then casters should get a cd that lets them cast while moving. Only fair.
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    How is "cast while moving" any different than Swiftcast?
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    How is "cast while moving" any different than Swiftcast?
    Skill land on target faster with swiftcast or would not get benefit with long casts like flare or veraero or something like that. if you cast veraero 5 sec with surecast it would surely be different than casting instantly veraero with swiftcast because cast time is longer than global cooldown.
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    NovaLevossida's Avatar
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    Kaiser Sturmwind
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    Famfrit
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    Marauder Lv 50
    I would prefer just about anything else. Since the knockback / draw in immunity doesn't work on anything worth trying to use it on, I wish they'd just change it to where it makes your next spell consume no MP instead. SMN and RDM get a free combat raise, and BLM gets a free Flare or Fire IV.

    Or change it into something like Duality to allow your next spell to hit twice.

    Really, just about anything else.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    #MakeSureCastIntoFreeCast
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Surecast is great.

    Don't talk them into taking away one of our "Additional effect: Ignores mechanics" buttons just because people don't know when and how to use it right.
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    Koyuki Tanaka
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Make Surecast great again

    oh, wait
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    Chiraisu Saika
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    Ninja Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Surecast is great.

    Don't talk them into taking away one of our "Additional effect: Ignores mechanics" buttons just because people don't know when and how to use it right.
    Pretty much every mechanic you would want to use it on bypasses it.
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