SUMMONER "rotation/priority"

Hey Guys, not 70 yet but I don't want to be a bad SMN once I do reach 70.

whats the most effiicent rotation for SMN once they are 70? so far, it seems dependent but I think this is what ie been thinking

Aetherflow
Shadlowflare>Bio+Miasma>Fester>ED>painflare

contagion ( if available)

then get into DWT
Tri
ruin III spam
deadflare

summond bahamut ( not sure what to do once hes summoned)



Of course im missing pots and rouse/pet abilities.

but what ive said above, does that seem accurate?

Thank you or your responses

atm i am doing like:

rouse
shadowflare
Tri
ruin 2
fester
ruin 3
painflare
ruin 3
fester
DWT
ruin 3 spam
Tri (wenn ruin debuff about to run out)
ruin 3 more spam
deathflare
atherflow
fester
ruin 3
painflare
ruin 3
fester
ruin 3
DWT
ruin 3 spam
contagion + pot when about 5 sec left
tri
deathflare
behamut call
ark moh
ruin 2 only! spam (dont use ruin 1 or ruin 3 while behamut is up, only instant casts)
virus (behamut will add a hit)
shadowflare
aetherflow
ruin 2 only! more spam
ark moh
dots and repeat

so far i am doing atm but havent raid yet so may there is still a lot of improvement.

regards hobbit

Heya Jetto like Hobbit showed in his rota (without explanation) you don't have to save Tri for trance because Trance wil reset Tri. You can use it way more often now. DW about buffed trance, because it will always be up if you go in trance.

Another thing I noticed is that you are still using the fastest HW opener to get into trance (fester/painflare/energy drain) this was a given choice in HW to get in as fast as possible - but now in SB painflare and festers cool downs were decreased drastically to 5 secs so you should only use 3x fester for single target or (tri->) bane, painflare, painflare for multi targets to get the most dps out of your skills.

than again its priority again spam ruin lll until deathflare and repeat. if you get Bahamut you have to adjust your rota a bit after every 2nd trance part. oh and be aware that you can't stack aether stacks in trance now (but you can in bahamut trance later on). hmm so far.... hope it helps you a bit.

that being said a meta-rota isnt existing yet... I guess people will try things out until the first savage content is availible to set things fix ^^

Why ruin 3 outside of trance, does it not wreck your mana? I guess you do it to take advantage of the ruin buff from tridisaster but I'm surprised you can sustain mana :s I guess each time you tridisaster after the first is likely to be within a trance...


Also, during bahamut, whats the difference between ruin2 and ruin3, given you dont have an ogcd ability to use? Both are 1 cast in 1 gcd, right?

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Originally Posted by Furious

Why ruin 3 outside of trance, does it not wreck your mana? I guess you do it to take advantage of the ruin buff from tridisaster but I'm surprised you can sustain mana :s I guess each time you tridisaster after the first is likely to be within a trance...


Also, during bahamut, whats the difference between ruin2 and ruin3, given you dont have an ogcd ability to use? Both are 1 cast in 1 gcd, right?

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Yes MP management is harder now with the spamming of Ruin 3 and it is easy to run out of it in longer fights if your not watching. The reason for Ruin 2 has to due with ark moh. Ruin 3 can keep you locked out of getting a second one in before Bahamut leaves. What I do is Ruin 3 and when the Bahamut timer is close do a Ruin 2 for the last one.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

Ruin 3 can keep you locked out of getting a second one in before Bahamut leaves.

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Wouldn't Ruin II be better (except when you get a Ruin IV proc) during Bahamut since it allows oGCD weaving throughout?

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Wouldn't Ruin II be better (except when you get a Ruin IV proc) during Bahamut since it allows oGCD weaving throughout?

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All Ruin 2's might be better. To me Ruin 3 and 4 are the same sharing one button. I also seem to proc into 4 quite a bit. I probably should have said Ruin 3/4 to be more clear. If I see something is coming off of CD I will attempt to use it first but I'm still learning and trying to see how everything lines up on the boss fights as that has more effect over the long term on what button I push. I hate it when I get off on timing and the boss goes not targetable when in Dreadwyrm Trance or now Bahamut.

thanks for responses

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Originally Posted by Neela

Another thing I noticed is that you are still using the fastest HW opener to get into trance (fester/painflare/energy drain) this was a given choice in HW to get in as fast as possible - but now in SB painflare and festers cool downs were decreased drastically to 5 secs so you should only use 3x fester for single target or (tri->) bane, painflare, painflare for multi targets to get the most dps out of your skills.

than again its priority again spam ruin lll until deathflare and repeat. if you get Bahamut you have to adjust your rota a bit after every 2nd trance part. oh and be aware that you can't stack aether stacks in trance now (but you can in bahamut trance later on). hmm so far.... hope it helps you a bit.

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ok thanks, so look to fester more, use tri more, got it.

when I get bahamut I dont know how much to change, I feel like I should summon bahuamut as soon as capable and still spam ruin III

Ruin 2 spam whole duration is not really needed during Bahamut because even if you use ruin 3 + ruin 2 at same time bahamut still hit 2 times. Just check this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeN3NMXRiXU

its not about clipping but about saving casttime therefor ruin ll might seem better than ruin lll -> more skills used more shockwaves thats what it's all about. ruin 4 procs could be worth it cause of the way higher potecy but just using ruin lll will waste time and shockwaves. ^^

I don't get it, Ruin 3 and Ruin 2 have the same cast/recover.
We won't land more Ruin 2 than Ruin 3

ruin 3 got a hard-castime depending on your ss - ruin 2 is instant... thats why people testing those two variations in Bahamut Trance if I'm not mistaken... you can also spam Virus for an extra shockwave even if the Virus effect is useless or senseless by itself it that situation : /

But the time between 2 Ruin 3 and 2 Ruin 2 is the same. (in theory)

Also, Sunako has shown on the previous page than when we use R3 then R2, Bahamut will attack twice. The 2nd Attack should occur after 1,5 sec (bahamut 's "gcd") while we are in the R2's gcd.

Now we need to figure if bahamut attack 3 times if we do R3-> R2 -> Fester/other

yeah true.

I think figuring out what's the best combo time-/cd-wise is the biggest challenge for this cls atm. In theory R3-R2-Fester-Virus should be a 7 hit combo with a total potecy of 1040 (150+100+150+4x160) without taking Ruination into account...

Haven't tried it yet but is there enough time for a rota like this:

Ahk Morn > Tri >
R3/4 > R2 > Fester >
R3/4 > R2 > Painflare >
R3/4 > R2 > Fester >
Ahk Morn >
Virus

+ filling the remaining time (if there is some) with just R3/4+R2 ?

edit: oh and what about the rumor that melee auto-atks trigger shockwave as well? heard it but dunno if its true...

There is even time to do 3 Fester in 15 sec, about 6 GCD.

About the auto-hit, i'm not even sure if Ifrit's auto hit trigger the Ruin 4, but at least it's easier to test bahamut thant's Ifri't auto hit.

I'm i314 fully VI melded, currently pulling 4200-4400 dmg in susano ex dummy without party buffs and food.

Some tips:

1 - Use Ruin II to weave your OGCDs.

2 - Spam Ruin III like a madman, you can spam it a lot now that we've been given lucid dream.

3 - Before using DT, always check your aetherflow cooldown. If possible, don't burn DT when your aetherflow is more than 20 seconds. Why? Because you want to aetherflow as soon as possible when your DT runs out, so that you can use the next 3 festers inside the dots of your last tridisaster (hardcasting the dots only for the next 3 festers will be a dps loss).

4 - Don't summon Bahamut when your pet is roused or has used contagion, as those 2 spells will completely go to waste. Don't forget to cast both akh morns. Try using Bahamut when your 3 aetherflow stacks are ready to use, that'll give more wyrmwaves. Use Ruin II when Bahamut is almost about to leave (if you hardcast one of the other 2 ruins it's very likely bahamut will leave in the middle of one of your casts). Use addle for an extra wyrmblade.

5 - Don't be scared of using Ifrit. He's actually very viable this time around. Putting him on sic isn't that bad of a choice. Try it if you want.

6 - You won't be able to do this always but if you see it possible try burning all OGCDs before entering DT, you don't want to lose any Ruin III uptime during DT because that can very well mean one Ruin III less at the very least.

When do you use tri-disaster ?

Do you open with 3 Fester or with 3 different Aether spells ?

Currently, i'm not sure if it's better to use Tri-disacter right at beginig of the DWT, or 1 before and 1 30 sec later (but we loose +10% buff), or trying never clip the Tr-disaster buff (ie : not casting Tri-Disaster at the beginning of the DWT while another Tri-Disaster is applied).
Make the best of Tri-disaster seems hard figure.

For now i'm ilvl 300 with a 290 Weap and i definitely can't beat Suzano Dummy, while someone has told he did it with a 290 weap with 10sec remaining on the timer.
(without saying the other part of his equipment)

Gonna try to post a video about it. I clear Susano dummy with roughly 25~ seconds left.

I open with Tridisaster followed by Ruin II -> Rouse + Enkindle -> Ruin II -> Shadow Flare + Fester -> Ruin III, Ruin II -> Fester + Aetherpact (only with party) -> Ruin III, Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> DT + Tri -> Ruin III spam...and follows but don't want to bore you XD.

so you don't clip r3 and r2 in trance or bahamut trance? : o

edit: oh Koyu take a look at this (thx Eirene Snow) <3

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I have managed to find a method that consistently provides you with 11 WW (sometimes 12 WW) as long as you fulfil the following conditions:

Have at least 5 targettable oGCDs up (3 x aetherflow stacks, 1x Tri-D & 1x Addle)
For each oGCD weave, use it in the middle of your GCD cast. I.E R2 (0.5 sec wait + Fester) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Addle)
Remain stationary as much as possible
Decent Ping (I have heard that people are unable to get 11 off at ~ 190ms)

The rotation is as follows: R2 (Aetherflow + Bahamut) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Fester) → R2 (Akh Morn) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Fester) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Addle) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Fester) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Tri-D) → R2 (Akh Morn) → R2

*Note 1: It is possible to get 11 through other variations, just that it may not be as consistent. I am currently still in the midst of figuring out the exact portion of the rotation that is causing 1 WW to be missing in many variations (People are usually getting 10 WWs).

Note 2: The best timings to use R4 procs is either through swiftcast or to hardcast it right after an Akh Morn.

Note 3: There is currently an issue where Akh Morn or the last WW in Bahamut does no damage to the target if executed below 2s left on the timer. The animation still appears and ACT registers the damage but it does not appear in the in-game combat log.

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watcha think? :3

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0y...ature=youtu.be

I guess some things could still improve but it doesn't look to bad for a start. Btw this was just an average try, numbers fluctuate from 21-22 to 27-28 depending on the crits and direct hits.

Edit:

Intelligence 2231
Critical Hit 1725
Determination 794
Direct Hit Rate 1589
Spell Speed 1156

Just saw someone else on youtube pulling 4300+, but after looking a few times into his video I noticed some of the dmg increase comes from him summoning bahamut a second time (mine is slightly delayed compared to his). This dummy does not favour my rotation much because dummy dies when my numbers aren't at its peak. And he used potion :P (not sure if food too).

Mind sharing your int/crit/det/dHit/ss stats? Just to get an idea what your numbers are based on? ^^

I'll check in few time, but since chaining R2 after R3 makes bahamut attack twice, i don't see my we should delay Fester or other instant spells, or use R2 instead of R3 + R2 + Fester.

Maybe you can beat Eirene with your rota and take over the lead on fflogs with yours than :3

I don't think i can, i already parsed and it's currently bad.

I'm traveling on the web to figure how i can improve.

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Originally Posted by Koyuki38

When do you use tri-disaster ?

Do you open with 3 Fester or with 3 different Aether spells ?

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For single target I start with Rouse + Ekindle, Tri-Disaster, Fester, Interleave some Ruin 2/3/4 to catch buff and Fester, Tri-D if it is up, DWT, Ruin 3/4 (I can usually get in 5), Deathflare, Aetherflow. I will also throw in Shadow Flare if the tank isn't dancing all over the place.

For multi-target I use Rouse+Ekindle, Tri-D, Bane, Interleave some Ruin 2/3/4 to catch buff and Painflare .... The rest is same as single target.

I'm still working on Bahamut but overall I hit Akh Morn and try to weave Ruin 3/4 with OGDC's. I Ruin 2 as the Bahamut timer gets close to get in the second Akh Morn. If Aetherflow spells are up I more or less repeat opener. If not I use whatever else is up until Aetherflow is ready.

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Originally Posted by Koyuki38

I'll check in few time, but since chaining R2 after R3 makes bahamut attack twice, i don't see my we should delay Fester or other instant spells, or use R2 instead of R3 + R2 + Fester.

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For what its worth I agree with you on this. My understanding is the idea is to get as many Bahamut hits in as you can as that outweighs the slight DPS differences between the other spells.

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Originally Posted by Koyuki38

I don't think i can, i already parsed and it's currently bad.

I'm traveling on the web to figure how i can improve.

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even if you don't wanna use the r2-rota you should take a look at Eirenes analytics "Summoners Heart 4.0"
It's really well written for every aspect of smn 4.0 in general - I just can't stop reading it so far ^^

From what i gather, level 70 smn is basically about choosing the optimal time for your burst phase in between aetherflow cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Gonna try to post a video about it. I clear Susano dummy with roughly 25~ seconds left.

I open with Tridisaster followed by Ruin II -> Rouse + Enkindle -> Ruin II -> Shadow Flare + Fester -> Ruin III, Ruin II -> Fester + Aetherpact (only with party) -> Ruin III, Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> DT + Tri -> Ruin III spam...and follows but don't want to bore you XD.

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when do you contagion? before DWT?

and once bahamut is summoneed what do youdo?