Question to mages that have played post-update (specifically nukers)

I haven't had the opportunity to play, and probably won't for quite a while unfortunately, but there is one thing I've been curious about that I have not seen mentioned yet.

As we all know, water attacks went bye-bye and elements got split between the two mages. Because of this, my thought was that the elemental wheel for resistances would more or less be thrown out of whack unless the developers modified it in some way.

So what I'm asking is, has anyone noticed changes in enemy resistances?

For example, Chigoes were fire element and weak to water. When running through the Lv 25 dungeon I definitely noticed a difference between using Thunder versus Water when nuking large groups of them.

I am also curious about this.

If chigoes were strong against thunder and weak to water wouldn't that make them earth element?

Anyway, for the most part I *like* the idea that the elemental wheel is "broken" and it's not just an issue of picking one of your 6 identical effects to cast on the enemy. That said, I was doing a few solo leves, and figgy puddings *were* pretty annoying to beat on CNJ while in earth-mode (absorb earth, super resistant to thunder, so that left first tier aero and blizzard from THM). And I was fighting some toads on THM and could two shot (Thunder + instant Thundara) things a couple levels higher than me.

so far all i was able to notice in the business and the confusion was my irritation at the lack of mp, cures, debuffs ...alas was not able to focus on any elemental aspects and resists ; ;

comparing Aero and Stone nukes on Moogles vs. Amal'jaa, I have roughly even numbers between Aero (~300ish dmg) and Stone (~340ish dmg). However, at the Amal'jaa stronghold, my Aero was hitting for only 400ish, while my Stone was hitting for 800ish.

This leads me to believe that either Amal'jaa are now either weak to Earth Magic, or resistant to Wind Magic. The reason I can't really tell is that I'm not sure how much of an effect the level difference between Moogle boss mobs and Lv52 Amal'jaa has on my nuke damage.

Either way, Amal'jaa were weak to wind previously, as they are Fire elemental. It would appear that Fire could be weak to Earth now? (More testing obviously required)

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Originally Posted by JTSpender

If chigoes were strong against thunder and weak to water wouldn't that make them earth element?

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It was 4 AM and I think I had FFXI elemental wheel on the brain, but you get what I was trying to say. :p Hehe.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

so far all i was able to notice in the business and the confusion was my irritation at the lack of mp, cures, debuffs ...alas was not able to focus on any elemental aspects and resists ; ;

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i also hate having only 1 cure option and no enfeebling and extremely high costs of nukes.

The fire series are for AoE nuking, thunder series is for single target spike damage, blizzard is for oh-shi bind and heavy and run.

The past elemental wheel is clearly apparent, and sucks since so many mobs are earth-based and resist lightning.
Ex. Can kill a 53 Ixali with a thunder>thundara>thundaga combo, takes two of these combos to kill a 53 wolf. (and a 45s recast means that's not happening.

Hopefully that sheds some light, I feel very constrained with nuking.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i also hate having only 1 cure option and no enfeebling and extremely high costs of nukes.

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CNJ has 3 heals.

The name of the game here is that if your unhappy with just one, level it up for the other 2. Thats the premise here. If your unhappy being weaker, then level up your class and/or other classes to utilize abilities to grow stronger.

I mean, honestly, isn't that the general concept of MMOs?

The only thing I really noticed is my THM can actually do some real damage now.

I'm rank 37 right now, and wipe the floor with rank 40 leves that kicked my butt just the day before.

I'm sitll annoyed by the shield changes, however- strangely, I have a very high blockrate, so I'm not really missing the shield actions that much, and the vast increase in power THM got in this update made me real happy. MP management is a little more tricky than it used to be though.

However, I must say the disappearance of water is mystifying.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i also hate having only 1 cure option and no enfeebling and extremely high costs of nukes.

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Cure/Cura = Cure/Cure II

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The only thing I really noticed is my THM can actually do some real damage now.

I'm rank 37 right now, and wipe the floor with rank 40 leves that kicked my butt just the day before.

I'm sitll annoyed by the shield changes, however- strangely, I have a very high blockrate, so I'm not really missing the shield actions that much, and the vast increase in power THM got in this update made me real happy. MP management is a little more tricky than it used to be though.

However, I must say the disappearance of water is mystifying.

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My thm is 50 and I can lay waste with it. It def got a sweet boost to nukes. MP pool is a bit lacking but you can materia that a bit.

As for Water, we are only 50, who knows what the future will bring when we get a jump in lvl cap. Perhaps we will see a revival in ancient magic too. ^^ I'm just happy they left magic as auto-learned abilities. The sheer cost of scrolls in xi detered way to many ppl from playing mage classes.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Cure/Cura = Cure/Cure II

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CNJ has 3 heals.

The name of the game here is that if your unhappy with just one, level it up for the other 2. Thats the premise here. If your unhappy being weaker, then level up your class and/or other classes to utilize abilities to grow stronger.

I mean, honestly, isn't that the general concept of MMOs?

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i dont play CNJ dude, im a THM main and Cura cannot be cross classed = too little options for curing this makes leve quests much more difficult than before and partying as the only mage much more difficult.
i had to quit my party last night because we didnt have a CNJ and i couldnt heal for as much as the party needed.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i dont play CNJ dude, im a THM main and Cura cannot be cross classed = too little options for curing this makes leve quests much more difficult than before and partying as the only mage much more difficult.
i had to quit my party last night because we didnt have a CNJ and i couldnt heal for as much as the party needed.

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Well that was kindda the point of the update. To give classes a role and thm got the nuker side of it. I personally am glad I cant heal with thm cause I would much rather nuke with it anyway. If you want to play a healer your going to have to do con tho, its the way the game is going. Every class has its role, there was no need for 2 mage classes if they did the exact same thing. We needed the diversity. Love thm, hated healing with it. Unfortunately I got my con and thm to 50 before 1.20 so I missed out.

Perhaps now thm-burns that compare to blm burns from xi could be set up. Some decent exp could be gotten that way I'm sure. I would start a new char if I knew I could do mage burns again. That was always a good time in xi

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If you want to play a healer your going to have to do con tho, its the way the game is going. Every class has its role, there was no need for 2 mage classes if they did the exact same thing.

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The problem I see with this is that the Jobs are supposed to be defined roles. Classes are supposed to be versatile for light parties and solo, but mages got pigeonholed anyway. But that's not the point of this thread.

On topic:

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

The past elemental wheel is clearly apparent, and sucks since so many mobs are earth-based and resist lightning.
Ex. Can kill a 53 Ixali with a thunder>thundara>thundaga combo, takes two of these combos to kill a 53 wolf. (and a 45s recast means that's not happening.

Hopefully that sheds some light, I feel very constrained with nuking.

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This worries me.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

The problem I see with this is that the Jobs are supposed to be defined roles. Classes are supposed to be versatile for light parties and solo, but mages got pigeonholed anyway. But that's not the point of this thread.

On topic:


This worries me.

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yeah but wolves die easy to earthbased nukes

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

However, I must say the disappearance of water is mystifying.

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/snowball

...used up all the available water and froze it yo ;)

While it does kinda suck that I can't choose the exact right element for the job every time now, on the whole I'm more effective. Doing leves set to my level, I'm running around 1-2 shotting most mobs in the leve, and they don't even come close to breaking my stoneskin most of the time (Only exception being when I get a downright horde of mooks and miss being able to freely AoE).

Granted, I'm only 37, maybe you guys get shafted down the line, but for now putting up stoneskin and blowing stuff away is just rocking.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i dont play CNJ dude, im a THM main and Cura cannot be cross classed = too little options for curing this makes leve quests much more difficult than before and partying as the only mage much more difficult.
i had to quit my party last night because we didnt have a CNJ and i couldnt heal for as much as the party needed.

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I had no issues doing faction leves solo as THM.

Party Play. You are a DD/ back up healer now. While it is completely doable to go exp/spiritbond without a CNJ in the party, some mobs will need a CNJ for -aga cures. But if exp parties rely on self-cures and on THM helping keep tank HP's up, no reason that a THM can't be in an exp party as the only mage. Exp parties don't even need mages depending on what you're killing.

This being said, yesterday was the first day of 1.20. We need to all learn the new class system etc. Some of the past exp camps might not be so good now. Raptors, I'm looking at you....

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i also hate having only 1 cure option and no enfeebling and extremely high costs of nukes.

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You have 3 cure options 5 if you include Sacred Prism + Cure/Cura. (Granted Nukes are far too costly)

Why do you play a game that you hate so much ?

Edit:- I see you meant on THM, I have no issu soloing on THM, use Thundaga/Firaga Combos and you shouldn't even need to cure.

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i had to quit my party last night because we didnt have a CNJ and i couldnt heal for as much as the party needed.

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Well if you refuse to play as a healer you only have yourself to blame, can't have it both ways.