Mini rant about scholars and lower dungeons

I really hate how scholars can use Eos in Halatali and lower dungeons. I have had many bad experiences with them. This is the most recent.

I join Halatali with my friend who is new to the game and tanking. We have a level 56 scholar with Eos. Instantly, she starts pulling. I ask her to stop nicely and she ignores me.

A few minutes later, I ask her again to let the tank pull because he wants practice pulling and tanking. She refuses. Her reasons?
-This is faster
-GLD does not need to practice until lvl 30s
-Eos can do all the healing

At this point we are halfway through and poor noob tank had not been able to pull anything. He was worried about tanking before this, and at this point he is scared that he will never be a good tank and may switch classes.


So, I ask again and she refuses. So I decide "If the healer wants to tank, I want to dragoon." I put by katana away and start standing in AOEs and jumping in circles around enemies(no offense dragoons), occasionally pressing 1 to do some damage. Eos was not able to keep up btw and the healer kept refusing to raise me. XD

By the end of the dungeon, my friend had not been able to pull one enemy. He was also not able to run ahead of her because he did not know the map and the scholar would cast one of her DOT skills before he was able to use shield lob.

I think it would be better if SCH would have access to Emerald Carbuncle for these lower dungeons and could only use it. This would stop the SCH going AFK or doing something they should not do because they are "bored."

Having the fairy at this level or not has nothing to do with encoutering a shitty healer.

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Originally Posted by Ailis

Having the fairy at this level or not has nothing to do with encoutering a shitty healer.

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Well I also do see this as a way of helping scholars not be bored in lower dungeons. I have gotten very bored before and was very tempted to just dance...

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Originally Posted by Ailis

Having the fairy at this level or not has nothing to do with encoutering a shitty healer.

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Exactly.

More to the point though let your friend know that not all healers (or even close to the majority of us) are like that! I had a very similar experience my first run of GLD with an AST who encouraged the bard in our group to spam AoE and just run through all crazy.

They're out there but there are also plenty of chill, patient people healing.

Also Hydalen knows we dont want to scare anyone off from tanking at this point.

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Originally Posted by CryBloodwing

Well I also do see this as a way of helping scholars not be bored in lower dungeons. I have gotten very bored before and was very tempted to just dance...

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Any low level dungeon has always been boring for healing... dpsing or not.

Who. The. Hell. Cares.

You're in a level 15 dungeon or something, nothing could kill you if it tried. You met a scholar that is actually doing damage, who will make the dungeon faster. You know one of the important lessons to teach your friend about tanking? Sometimes, you don't need to tank everything, and that's ok. It's kind like the wax-on, wax-off of tanking. The first thing to learn about tanking is when not to.

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Originally Posted by CryBloodwing

Well I also do see this as a way of helping scholars not be bored in lower dungeons. I have gotten very bored before and was very tempted to just dance...

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My way of not being entirely bored in low level dungeons as SCH has always been to kill things while manually directing Embrace.

I won't say it isn't a bit boring for being incredibly easy, but the only difference between SCH and the other two healers at that level is that you might occasionally need to use a GCD for healing if you aren't a SCH; otherwise you're still attacking mobs.

While you absolutely got a jerk of a healer, I also wouldn't use the baby dungeons as practice. They are so easy you can literally run them naked. I've done it. For tanking experience, take your friend into Haukke Manor or even Ifrit normal. That will give him a much better experience, though very few healers will act like this one did.

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Originally Posted by Furious

Who. The. Hell. Cares.

You're in a level 15 dungeon or something, nothing could kill you if it tried. You met a scholar that is actually doing damage, who will make the dungeon faster. You know one of the important lessons to teach your friend about tanking? Sometimes, you don't need to tank everything, and that's ok. It's kind like the wax-on, wax-off of tanking. The first thing to learn about tanking is when not to.

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When two people have asked you to stop pulling, you've been overruled and you're just being a jerk at that point.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

While you absolutely got a jerk of a healer, I also wouldn't use the baby dungeons as practice. They are so easy you can literally run them naked. I've done it. For tanking experience, take your friend into Haukke Manor or even Ifrit normal. That will give him a much better experience, though very few healers will act like this one did.

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I disagree. The low level dungeons are actually very good for tank practice.
Not practice at staying alive which, as you note, is quite easy there, but practice at holding aggro of multiple opponents at the same time.

Definitely not a good enough reason to change an entire class.

I had the opposite experience in normal halatali where the tank sprout didn't tank, he acted as a free flying dps and wouldn't target any mob aside from the one it pulled with its first hit. I spent the entire dungeon tanking the rest of the mobs and keeping everyone alive with eos while also dpsing them down (the tank would run off and kill/pull other things while i was tanking the current mob). The problem is not the class its the player, that's the case with a lot of these threads...

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Originally Posted by CryBloodwing

problems with pugs

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Next time just kick the one who causes problems. Majority rules and different playstyles is a viable reason to initiate a kick.

It hasn't anything to do with the class/job. Jerk is jerk.

I had a similar issue today, only I was trying to tank as GLA on my alt as I wanna get into it more. It was Tam Tara and I got 2 ACN who both used Topaz carbuncles. I even told them that it's faster if they use Emerald carbies as they do more DPS, they didn't listen to me and instead focused their carbies on whatever I was voking. Jerks will be jerks. I just let them be as I knew it's gonna be over soon and I will never have to see them again. They still couldn't pull aggro from me haha.

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Originally Posted by Ailis

Having the fairy at this level or not has nothing to do with encoutering a shitty healer.

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Truth. Sounds to me like you guys should have kicked her/him.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Truth. Sounds to me like you guys should have kicked her/him.

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Well both people besides the healer and I had no idea how to vote to kick people. I did start one but they did not notice it. Same thing happened when the healer tried to kick me.

This was not a scholar problem, it was a nasty player problem. The answer is not to nerf a class but to report a player. Why didn't you just vote kick them or leave?

This is a pretty awful idea, as you say tanks need the ability to practice as they level, EOS is a fundamental part of being a Scholar. Removing it would compromise on their ability to practice.

It sucks that you had this person in your group, but I think it's a social issue rather than a gameplay issue.

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Originally Posted by Scox

This was not a scholar problem, it was a nasty player problem. The answer is not to nerf a class but to report a player. Why didn't you just vote kick them or leave?

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the answer is right above your post.

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Originally Posted by CryBloodwing

the answer is right above your post.

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Whelp now that you know how to kick, all I can say is. Just next time be aware with your friend in discord and cut the cord on the healer being rude to you. Communicate in FC chat and let the tide go. Eos just mindlessly heals. Most of the time she'll pull aggro if the tank is not properly holding hate and there's nothing we can do. Except unsummon it but, then how would they learn? it would just go to me next and gg. o/ Anyways sorry that happened to you

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Whelp now that you know how to kick, all I can say is. Just next time be aware with your friend in discord and cut the cord on the healer being rude to you. Communicate in FC chat and let the tide go. Eos just mindlessly heals. Most of the time she'll pull aggro if the tank is not properly holding hate and there's nothing we can do. Except unsummon it but, then how would they learn? it would just go to me next and gg. o/ Anyways sorry that happened to you

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I always knew how to kick. The tank and the other DPS did not know how to vote on it. One DPS did not speak english anyway so I could not explain how it works.

Honestly, if that tank had encountered a RDM, it'd be the same experience regardless. They can drop 480 potency in less time that it takes for a BLM to cast Fire 1. Tanking at low levels hasn't been great, but RDM just compounds the problem. Sucks about the guy dealing with the SCH, but he'll have the same issues holding mobs if a RDM is in the party anyway. Those enmity reduction skills aren't always up.

First off, I wouldn't call this a MINI rant. Just cuse I'm on mobile and it was larger than the screen of my phone.

I'm sorry that you had such a bad scholar. As a sch main myself this offends me. Whenever I'm in a lower level dungeon I bring our eos, let her be the healer and I pretend to be a 3rd DPS. It's true that it goes a bit faster this way, but I always make sure to never overstep the tank.

That was a bad scholar you found. And I hope this 1 person doesn't ruin what you or your tank friend think about the rest of us.