Ending was great but.... *spoilers*

Everyone thought dead is alive. I should have expected SE wouldn't have the guts to keep a main character dead. In the age of successes such as Game of Thrones, where everyone friggin dies, it sure wouldn't hurt to keep some characters dead, Yoshi P.

I mean, Papalymo is still dead, as is Conrad and Mefrid. Also, I hate Game of Thrones, specifically because all he does is kill of characters.

There's a whole expansion for them to have a chance to die, don't lose hope! :P

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I mean, Papalymo is still dead, as is Conrad and Mefrid. Also, I hate Game of Thrones, specifically because all he does is kill of characters.

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Dude. He got shot twice AND a building collapsed on him. There's no friggin way. Same for his new girlfriend. What the hell. Totally killed the mood.

Conrad remains dead.

I wasn't expecting Gosetsu to be alive, but I wasn't surprised either. Anytime they make a big deal about not being able to find the body, it's a hint that they're still alive or at least that the writers may wish to bring the character back later. I'm more surprised that they revealed that information this quickly instead of having him make a surprise return at a later time.

I was surprised Yotsuyu was alive though, largely because I don't see much of a purpose to keeping her alive, much less having her stuck on an island with Gosetsu, though we'll see how it plays out.

I do agree though that they need to stop doing these fake deaths though. Before the Dawn pulled on my heartstrings because OH GOD THEY'RE DEAD. THEY'RE ALL DEAD. Then we spent all of HW being like loljk. A few of them should have remained dead, not just Minfilia. Plot shield makes things feel less impactful and constantly swerving us on the issue of character deaths just makes players skeptical and disengaged.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

Dude. He got shot twice AND a building collapsed on him. There's no friggin way. Same for his new girlfriend. What the hell. Totally killed the mood.

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If you don't see a body then they're probably not dead is a good rule of thumb to have regardless of medium or franchise. Also, when the blue kojin when to search for him(can't remember if it was Soroban or not), he comes back and specifically says that the floor went first and went out to sea etc. I thought that was a *huge* flag that he was still kickin'

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Conrad remains dead.

I wasn't expecting Gosetsu to be alive, but I wasn't surprised either. Anytime they make a big deal about not being able to find the body, it's a hint that they're still alive or at least that the writers may wish to bring the character back later. I'm more surprised that they revealed that information this quickly instead of having him make a surprise return at a later time.

I was surprised Yotsuyu was alive though, largely because I don't see much of a purpose to keeping her alive, much less having her stuck on an island with Gosetsu, though we'll see how it plays out.

I do agree though that they need to stop doing these fake deaths though. Before the Dawn pulled on my heartstrings because OH GOD THEY'RE DEAD. THEY'RE ALL DEAD. Then we spent all of HW being like loljk. A few of them should have remained dead, not just Minfilia. Plot shield makes things feel less impactful and constantly swerving us on the issue of character deaths just makes players skeptical and disengaged.

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They started down the road of character redemption with Yotsuyu leading up to the Doma castle fight. It'll be interesting to see the interactions between Gosetsu and Yotsuyu though. Comical at first maybe, but I'm looking forward to how it develops(Please look forward to it).

I wasn't surprised to see that he was still alive, I'm sure he and Yotsuyu floated off somewhere on a large piece of wood that obviously fit two people....

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

They started down the road of character redemption with Yotsuyu leading up to the Doma castle fight. It'll be interesting to see the interactions between Gosetsu and Yotsuyu though. Comical at first maybe, but I'm looking forward to how it develops(Please look forward to it).

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I suppose that's one way to look at it, but I took it as just adding shades of gray to an unrepentant villain.

I think we all knew he wasn't going to be dead though. Not this early in the expansion, anyways.

Well... I already knew from the start no major player would die. It was pretty clear since HW IMO, seeing as everyone and their mother got brought back.

Pretty sure even Minfilia is going to return at some point. I just hope for the one cutscene where I get to decide between Williams and Alenko >_>

Don't forget Moenbryda, Hauchthrhehhchant and Ysalye death, albeit Moen was only met for a while.

But Unanamo w/e The Sultana one was incredibly stupid.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I suppose that's one way to look at it, but I took it as just adding shades of gray to an unrepentant villain.

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I think the use of the echo in this case is the foot in the door for it. Her circumstances don't excuse her behavior but I don't think she's had anyone who wasn't a garbage person around her until Gosetsu. So while her behavior until this point shows that she is garbage as well and would immediately stab Gosetsu in the back, I would 100% not be surprised if there's a heel-face turn in her future.

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They won't be alive for long that is absolutely a Fugu he fished up there.

Someone hasn't been playing RPGs enough. If they aren't killed on screen, they aren't dead. No matter the odds.

Can we not George R. R. Martin our entire cast? Please. It works in GoT because we're numb to it by now.

I'm torn, honestly.

I think the way in which they handled Nanamo's 'death' was very cheap and contrived. On the other hand, I adored Yotsuyu as a character and I'm very glad to see that she survived. Given that she became cruel as a result of being treated horribly by the Domans I feel like there's a lot of potential left for her in terms of story. It certainly adds shades of grey to Doma's tale.

I will never understand why people require character death to consider the story good and dramatic, it's not good storytelling to have everyone die "for the feels" or because you dislike a character "when is <x> going to die???"

Go watch Game of Thrones if you want everyone to die. How broken does the warrior of light need to be before people are satisfied? They already have a broken heart, PTSD, and a noticeable fear of anyone pouring anyone drinks and being poured drinks by anyone ever.

Not to mention dark knights are literally such shattered people that their entire 30-50 story happens. If the warrior of light has to deal with /more loss/ how long do you think it will be before they quit? I would quit, they already show signs of wanting to be done with everything.

I didn't finish the ending yet but I was 90% this was going to happen... glad I peaked in.

Yeah. Characters need to die. We don't need to go crazy but damn... murder a hooker or two already

To be fair, whilst it can grow tiresome to see every other character perish it can also become troublesome if there's rarely anything at stake because everybody comes to know who is going to live and who is going to die. Some people want certain characters they happen to dislike to die, certainly, but there's also plenty of people who are very vocal about protecting specific characters to the point that they end up getting plot immunity.

Then there's the people who feel slighted because the characters they like are killed off but the characters they dislike are on screen very often. I don't envy the lore team's need to keep a measure of balance in that regard.

Louisoix dead horribly
Moenbryda very dead
Haurchefant dead horribly
Papalymo very dead
Ysayle dead
Minfillia most likely gone forever
Y'shtola is dying

The scions at the waking sands who i in fact made a point of talking to after every mission: dead horribly

Most of the characters you inspired to be like you over the story? Dead

Most of the adventurers you met early on? Dead

There is also the 1,000 years of death in Ishgard and the destruction of Doma. The fate of the first and thirteenth worlds the subjugation of every city in the empire, the state of all three main cities..

When has it not been made clear that the world /can/ suck?

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I'm torn, honestly.

I think the way in which they handled Nanamo's 'death' was very cheap and contrived. On the other hand, I adored Yotsuyu as a character and I'm very glad to see that she survived. Given that she became cruel as a result of being treated horribly by the Domans I feel like there's a lot of potential left for her in terms of story. It certainly adds shades of grey to Doma's tale.

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Both Yotsuyu and Gosetsu are known survivors by habit. Also, SE needs to appease the players that want to be stepped on.

I go by the trope that if there's no body or last moment the guy will be shown to be alive later tbh, also Gosetsu was already hinted of beign alive by the turtle, that said as Nanamo told us even that rule may fail, afterall this is a world where the concept of death is quite random

I'm still holding out that the Sultana died and the current one is a puppet Lolorito installed.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

Everyone thought dead is alive. I should have expected SE wouldn't have the guts to keep a main character dead. In the age of successes such as Game of Thrones, where everyone friggin dies, it sure wouldn't hurt to keep some characters dead, Yoshi P.

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Tbh I wouldn't of expected certain character to be dead, they are too new for that.

Keeping Yutsuyu and Gosetsu alive seem a good ideal in my opinion because on one side we have Yutsuyu who lived through how corrupt and how bad the old Doma government was when Hien has only heard stories of only the good side of Doma since he was not born until after Doma became conquered. Then we have Gosetsu who is probably going to be the first person that has ever shown Yutsuyu kindness in her entire life thus making her question her own actions because really her life was very Fed up because of the old Doma Government and how corrupted the higher officials were from abusive parents that no one tried to stop to being sold by her brother to a abusive husband who everyone told her to suck it up and let him beat you like a "prostitute" she is and then after she was sold to the pleasure house to be a prostitute to pay off debts left by her family until the Garlean Empire appeared and offer her revenge.

In a way this may also develop Hien's story arc as well since Hien never knew how corrupt the old Doma government was since, as I said before, he has only heard stories of only the good part of Doma before Garlean rule.

I'm glad they didn't kill him solely due to the reaction to Haurchefant's death. Two years of dealing with the reactions that never seem to stop and only get more and more dramatic as time passes has been excruciating and I don't want to go through the same Gosetsu melodrama. I'd like a break for a bit. All joking aside, I'm glad that they didn't kill them. I don't want them to set the bar for expansions at exactly 1 pseudo important character death must happen.