Lv 66/i270> lv 70/i287 (290 wepon) 1705 magic attak>1997 magic attack, heal DPS broke

What is the reason to nerf healing damage so badly that my 66 SMN kills faster then a 70 AST with an i290 weapon? I did not even DT and she did not use balance.

The level 70 AST has way more stats then me as well in everything, and yet I kill faster (do more DPS) This means SCH is really hurting and I can feel it big time when I do runs. Healer DPS is too low, I want the old cleric stance back

Healer dps feels about where it should be relatively.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

What is the reason to nerf healing damage so badly that my 66 SMN kills faster then a 70 AST with an i290 weapon? I did not even DT and she did not use balance.

The level 70 AST has way more stats then me as well in everything, and yet I kill faster (do more DPS) This means SCH is really hurting and I can feel it big time when I do runs. Healer DPS is too low, I want the old cleric stance back

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I'm not sure this is all that unusual. I recall the upper 50s were about where a well-played DD could begin to overtake my WHM in Heavensward (assuming I wasn't using massively scaled iLevels; base-ish 60 gear). You're only looking at a difference of 20 iLevels... DD classes should be able to out-perform Healer / Tank roles when they're that close (just as tanks should be able to absorb significantly more damage at level 66 than a DD can at level 70, assuming only 20 iLevel differences).

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Healer dps feels about where it should be relatively.

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How do you figure? it is 4 physical levels difference, 292 attack (17% of my magic attack value) D11 more on weapon, and yet I do a significant more then all that, that is too big of a gap.

Have you even tried 61+ solo content as a healer like the MSQ? it is way to slow. In group settings it feels like my damage does not even exist

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I'm not sure this is all that unusual. I recall the upper 50s were about where a well-played DD could begin to overtake my WHM in Heavensward (assuming I wasn't using massively scaled iLevels; base-ish 60 gear). You're only looking at a difference of 20 iLevels... DD classes should be able to out-perform Healer / Tank roles when they're that close (just as tanks should be able to absorb significantly more damage at level 66 than a DD can at level 70, assuming only 20 iLevel differences).

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They changed how healer damage is dealt, with the old cleric stance this would not be happening.

It is not "close" at all when you are talking i290 left vs 270, that is a huge gap. Having 17% more magic attack is not small or close.

Wow, it's almost like healers weren't supposed to be good at dealing damage. Who would have thunk it.

Also, your topic title is an eyesore. I'm getting "no DRG for party" flashbacks.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Wow, it's almost like healers weren't supposed to be good at dealing damage. Who would have thunk it.

Also, your topic title is an eyesore. I'm getting "no DRG for party" flashbacks.

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It was hard due to the character cap to explain what I was trying to show, I am sorry for the eye sore, any advice how it could been titled?

Healers where good at doing damage for 4 years? being able to do the solo MSQ at a respectable rate, now it is too slow. Maybe they should get rid of solo instances or adjust solo instances for healers if they where "not meant to do damage"?

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Originally Posted by Hamada

How do you figure?

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Well, let's entertain your apparent complaint for a moment. Should a healer and a dps have similar scaling on their damage spells, why then would dps even exist? Should a healer within around 20 ilvls of a dps be able to compete on equal terms, it would be best to simply cut the dps from the team completely. It's called balancing. You should not have anywhere near comparable to a dps in damage unless you are leagues above him. Clearly the devs seem to have acknowledged that healer dps is a problem in the first place, considering some of the more recent interviews, particularly with the changes made in Storm.

as i said in a another thread :

Instead talk about heal dps , we have Dps to compensate the lack .

We"re back on origins, Tank and heal are back on their own job, no more dps for us: it's a dps job and since the beginning it should have been like this.

So blame Dps and not healers, they have buttons just need to pust it ^^

Mehhh, some changes in Stormblood are really annoying, my SCH feels so weak now, I was able to tank and dispatch hordes of monsters alone and there's no way to do that now!...

Yoshi-P should talk with the dev team to rebalance all jobs once more, the changes are too punishing, I had way more fun before!... :(

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Healers where good at doing damage for 4 years? being able to do the solo MSQ at a respectable rate, now it is too slow. Maybe they should get rid of solo instances or adjust solo instances for healers if they where "not meant to do damage"?

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Honestly, even as an actual DPS many of the solo fights felt slower than before, so I wouldn't place too much stock in the idea that it was slow just because you were a healer.

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Originally Posted by Bradach

as i said in a another thread :

Instead talk about heal dps , we have Dps to compensate the lack .

We"re back on origins, Tank and heal are back on their own job, no more dps for us: it's a dps job and since the beginning it should have been like this.

So blame Dps and not healers, they have buttons just need to pust it ^^

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What?

As a Healer I barely heal. I need to cast even less Cure's than I did in overgeared HW fights. Which makes those Lilies even more useless.
Even large pulls in leveling dungeon can be easily stunned with a Swiftcast + Holy and gives me enough time to Aero III everything and get the next Holy in. Then just Assize the tank back up.

I literally DPS 98% of any fight, even Primals so far. They barely keep one healer busy for the majority of the fight let alone 2. If they give me THAT much windows to DPS they might as well give me the same amount of Damage because I already feel like a DPS with an extra assignment.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Well, let's entertain your apparent complaint for a moment. Should a healer and a dps have similar scaling on their damage spells, why then would dps even exist? Should a healer within around 20 ilvls of a dps be able to compete on equal terms, it would be best to simply cut the dps from the team completely. It's called balancing. You should not have anywhere near comparable to adps in damage unless you are leagues above him. Clearly the devs seem to have acknowledged that healer dps is a problem in the first place, considering some of the more recent interviews, particularly with the changes made in Storm.

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It WAS for 4 YEARS! now the DPS is too low for solo content. This post completely misses the point. It has nothing to do with "comparable" and more with non-existent. Healer DPS is too low for soloing, something the game makes you do. Why is the solo MSQ quest and other things specifically only tailored to DPS? this makes it harder to complete them as a healer doing that. Then when a DPS themselves is too low, why do I have to sit in a 40 min DF because my damage is nonexistent?

Do you only complain when playing this game, Hama?

Welcome to the trade-off that should have been in the game in the first place. Healers sacrifice damage for sustain, the only reason we deal so much damage in this game is because it's a mainstream MMO of a major franchise, so they have to sacrifice proper design to appeal to the wider audience.

I have had no issues with the MSQ on whm. I do agree that my sch side seems much weaker. It was probably nudged back a little too far and could use some love.