difference of damage between magical and physical class

today when i did get 60 with the sam i did notice something strange, my friend rdm 60 and i have run a few test and did found something we can't explain.

midare setsugekka have a 720 potency while Fleche that have a 420 potency deal about almost the same damage.
we did run a few other test with jobs with similar equipement (smn, monk and paladin) for check if something was not right and it seems that the potency of caster =/= potency of melee.

midare setsugekka without buff at 720 potency deal (in full i270) around 6100-6300 (without critical or direct hit), his fleche was hitting (he have too a full i270) around 5800-6100 while being a skill at 420 of potency.

do i miss something here or do we have a few trouble?

Mage weapon damage is higher, thus itll do more bonus damage witj lower potencies and higher damage at higher potencies.

SAM weapon damage is lower but will be able to surpass rdm entirely once you get a full fight on the job.

If you both attack the same training dummy for about 4 minutes youll.notice sam comes out ahead.

i see i hadn't think about it, but that make the potency of the tooltip quite confusing.

Think of potency as a direct static of damage calculation and think of WD as its multiplier.

Generally we count pps (potency per second as a measure of dps instead of raw damage as it has variances).

Also sam is missing a large portion of its repotoire specifically its other 10% damage buff n strong oGCDs which will fling it by and far ahead of rdm.

People also forget to mention that monsters have lower magical defense then physical defense. Making magic deal more dmg per potency over physical.

Theres no defense in the game, its a hold over from 1.0 only reason mages do more damage per hit is only due to higher weapon damage.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i see i hadn't think about it, but that make the potency of the tooltip quite confusing.

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Potency is best used when comparing abilities within a job's own kit. Each Job has various multipliers, not to mention gear differences as in this case, but within your own job's kit you can assume the multipliers work for all the abilities and can compare them directly.

I think it's less comfusing comparing to other Jobs too once you take into account the multipliers. Other games don't always have such static base numbers like potency and may even have some abilities scale at different rates. It makes it really easy to look at and compare abilities when you have potency (rather than a hidden formula) and then just adjust for multipliers and gear.

We do lack transparency on other things but not this. For example, i would be really happy if Crit actually showed a percentage of increase from the rating. Or Det or SkS. We have stat weights from theorycrafters but it should be more transparent in-game.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

Think of potency as a direct static of damage calculation and think of WD as its multiplier.

Generally we count pps (potency per second as a measure of dps instead of raw damage as it has variances).

Also sam is missing a large portion of its repotoire specifically its other 10% damage buff n strong oGCDs which will fling it by and far ahead of rdm.

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I think it's just the weapon damage plus Kenki off-gcds. You already have the 10% damage buff combo skill (Jinpu) as soon as you unlock SAM.

Jobs definitely aren't balanced while leveling.

Theres another 10% damage up sam has iirc

1 for slashing down and another which is a self buff

Nvm cant find it but i know ppl were hyping it before. Welp i was wrong theres only one buff and oGCDs

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

Nvm cant find it but i know ppl were hyping it before. Welp i was wrong theres only one buff and oGCDs

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Slashing resist -10%(Yukikaze), damage increase +10% (Jinpu), and speed +10%(Shifu) are all available at level 50 and are applied through the standard single target combos.

Ah then its there and im not crazy.

Good.

Ita all about weapon damage and damage type, which is why blm/smn physik sucked less than pld cure in 2,x

all casters and healers have a higher weapon damage than tanks and melee. just compare that, which is why casters seem to be able to nuke more, but the offset is always cast times cutting into GCD as a tradeoff