The glamour system is awful. We deserve an overhaul.

I, and many others, outright HATE the current glamour system.

Other games have very verbose glamour systems, and their gear doesn't look half as good as whats designed for us. Yet we can't use our glamours for various reasons, and its a damned shame - and it needs to be corrected.

Currently we have an Armoire that stores information that only eats resources when it is accessed. We're asking for the same thing to happen with a new glamour system, only instead of storing physical gear in it, it keeps the information on unlocked appearances. We wouldn't even need the Armoire in its current implementation if that were the case.

We want appearance unlocks. We want non-consumed dyes. We want to be able to have distinct appearances based on what class/job we're actively playing, not based on whether the desired look is available to our class on the specific piece of gear we happen to be wearing.

From a development standpoint, playing dress up probably ranks pretty low on the priority list when preparing for an expansion launch.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

From a development standpoint, playing dress up probably ranks pretty low on the priority list when preparing for an expansion launch.

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I remember seeing some kind of Representative say "glamor is the true endgame"

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...space-increase

Not just glam system that is a mess but overall inventory management.

You're not stating anything that hasn't already been said a million times over. The devs know we hate it but they keep giving excuses. It is what it is. Imo, I wouldn't expect any revisions to it for quite some time, if ever.

Yoshi P said today they didn't want to do glamor log book because it would make save files bigger and they are constantly rewriting the save file every time you do zone or do something which would tax the servers too much. Here is a solution to that problem. Would it be possible to only write to the glamor log file if a change occurs that effects the glamor log such as getting a new piece of gear. Otherwise do not write to this file when changing zones or other stuff that causes a full save file rewrite.

I could care less about non-consumed dyes. I think having to craft or buy them is a legitimate mechanic. But yeah the rest is pretty accurate. And unlike the last poster, it is a legitimate use of the devs time, since "endgame is glam" as they themselves have said.

Edit: too slow...I was referring to post 2. lol!

Glamour is fine as is. I like it this way, so I'd prefer they not change it, rather than having to go through some arbitrary nonsense everytime I change jobs.

It's not perfect, but it's better than no glamour at all. As for restrictions on gear, restrictions are necessary for AF and Job-specific gear at least, because that is the whole purpose of AF in the first place! It's meant to emulate the traditional appearance of that Job in past FF games (like a WHM's traditional appearance is a white robe or clothing tinged in red triangles, a BLM's traditional appearance is a dark blue or black robe with a yellow witch's hat and stripy pants, DRG's traditional appearance is purple draconic armour etc).

Allowing another Job or class to equip it, even for glamour, completely throws that whole idea out the window. Which is why the glamour system has Job restrictions on it. Given that Yoshi stated this ages ago it shows he's pretty firm on this subject (and rightly so), so I do not see that changing at all.

Couldnt they just allow to glamour log in zones? Like in old ffxi where you were able to change job only in house, they could allow glamour log only in homes/ins so that you dont have to bring a file save with yourself the whole time.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Allowing another Job or class to equip it, even for glamour, completely throws that whole idea out the window. Which is why the glamour system has Job restrictions on it. Given that Yoshi stated this ages ago it shows he's pretty firm on this subject (and rightly so), so I do not see that changing at all.

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I didn't notice that the first time. Yeah, I agree with this. Goon glams are for goons, MCH glams are for Bards. ;)

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

You're not stating anything that hasn't already been said a million times over. The devs know we hate it but they keep giving excuses. It is what it is. Imo, I wouldn't expect any revisions to it for quite some time, if ever.

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Well then people like you are the problem not the devs. Why i cant have my war look like a war and not likea drk?

It seems the devs don't actually know what we want. Here is Blade & Soul, a free two play MMO. Their Wardrobe system works by listing every possible "armour" and allowing you to move any outfits you acquired into it. You can pull them out at any time, provided you're subscribed. I fail to see how a triple A game like FFXIV cannot basically copy this system. The server excuse is just annoying at this point. Weren't they relocated to upgrade them? All this comes across as is Square Enix knowing retain subscriptions would decline.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

It's not perfect, but it's better than no glamour at all. As for restrictions on gear, restrictions are necessary for AF and Job-specific gear at least, because that is the whole purpose of AF in the first place! It's meant to emulate the traditional appearance of that Job in past FF games (like a WHM's traditional appearance is a white robe or clothing tinged in red triangles, a BLM's traditional appearance is a dark blue or black robe with a yellow witch's hat and stripy pants, DRG's traditional appearance is purple draconic armour etc).

Allowing another Job or class to equip it, even for glamour, completely throws that whole idea out the window. Which is why the glamour system has Job restrictions on it. Given that Yoshi stated this ages ago it shows he's pretty firm on this subject (and rightly so), so I do not see that changing at all.

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That isn't the argument though. At least it isn't mine. I adore both the Paladin and Dark Knight AF outfits yet I'm unable to wear both if I want to maintain a progressive ilvl. If I choose Paladin, both Warrior and Dark Knight default to whatever the raid gear is. So instead of enjoying all the unique job glamours, I usually end up shelving them fairly quickly.

Yeah the whole having to use glamour prisms and have the gear pieces in your armory chest or inventory is really primitive and unwieldy. I can think of a compromise between a glamour log book and the current crappy system however.

Imagine you had 2 slots for every gear piece, you can equip 2 sets of gear at once, but one set of gear will have no effect on your stats and will instead override the visuals of the gear which is affecting your stats.

Something similar to what Starbound does for its cosmetic options. this would be overall easier and save some inventory space. also no more expensive glamour prisms. crafters have plenty of other things to sell already.

I would rather have ANY form of new content instead of the devs working on glamour books that would only mainly benefit one server..... BALMUNG.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I would rather have ANY form of content instead of the devs working on glamour books that would only mainly benefit one server..... BALMUNG.

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Oh really now? I'm on Jenova. People all over the game deserve to look cool and how they want to look. Just becuase YOU don't care how you look doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I would rather have ANY form of content instead of the devs working on glamour books that would only mainly benefit one server..... BALMUNG.

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You really think it's just roleplayers who care? I hate to break it to you, but if you polled the number of people who glamour and fix up their houses compared to those who raid or run dungeons, you'd be astonished just how much the former wins out.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You really think it's just roleplayers who care? I hate to break it to you, but if you polled the number of people who glamour and fix up their houses compared to those who raid or run dungeons, you'd be astonished just how much the former wins out.

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Hey I do both, although I don't fix up my house since houses cost retarded amounts of gil at the moment, gil I do not have. Glamour prisms are slightly more affordable.

Also roleplayers aren't only on Balmung. they're on every server, especially because Balmung is always full anyway.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I would rather have ANY form of new content instead of the devs working on glamour books that would only mainly benefit one server..... BALMUNG.

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Only 2 of the posters on this thread before yours were from Balmung. Storage and glam issues are pretty universal.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Hey I do both, although I don't fix up my house since houses cost retarded amounts of gil at the moment, gil I do not have. Glamour prisms are slightly more affordable.

Also roleplayers aren't only on Balmung. they're on every server, especially because Balmung is always full anyway.

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That's what apartments are for. and they doubled the amount of items you can have in SB.

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From a development standpoint, playing dress up probably ranks pretty low on the priority list when preparing for an expansion launch.

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From western perspective? Maybe. But this is japan, and considering this game is huge about QOL from crafting and gathering (come with its own story), housing, decorating, buck load of emote, photomode (complete with set your own filter and pose), fashion such as maid and swimsuit.

And community who spend majority of time circling in idylshire with their fat chocobo, dancing emote every minutes even in raid, expressing their mood via emote instead of chat?

I say yeah, glamour is serious matter in this game =D

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Originally Posted by savageink

That's what apartments are for. and they doubled the amount of items you can have in SB.

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Really? where can I get an apartment for less than a million gil? I rarely ever have more than that sum grand total.

The only thing I want changed for the Glamour system is the ability to have unique glamours on a Per Job / Class basis, even if using the same base gear. That's it.

I understand the desire for a glamour log in order to free up inventory space, but honestly, that makes it so that crafted glamour gear becomes effectively worthless (or it would skyrocket the price of glamour gear to the point that it'd be impossible to buy it or you'd have to ask a friend to make it). They honestly should just say that that's the reason - because honestly it'd make a lot of crafters mad. Same with Glamour Prisms - they're annoying but they're a definitive, regular way to make money.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Really? where can I get an apartment for less than a million gil? I rarely ever have more than that sum grand total.

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aren't they 500,000 gil? or does Jenova actually have full apartments?

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Originally Posted by savageink

aren't they 500,000 gil? or does Jenova actually have full apartments?

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I don't know. Never really got too into the housing once I heard how expensive it was lol.

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Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura

The only thing I want changed for the Glamour system is the ability to have unique glamours on a Per Job / Class basis, even if using the same base gear. That's it.

I understand the desire for a glamour log in order to free up inventory space, but honestly, that makes it so that crafted glamour gear becomes effectively worthless (or it would skyrocket the price of glamour gear to the point that it'd be impossible to buy it or you'd have to ask a friend to make it). They honestly should just say that that's the reason - because honestly it'd make a lot of crafters mad. Same with Glamour Prisms - they're annoying but they're a definitive, regular way to make money.

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who buys the same crafted gear more then once? it doesn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I don't know. Never really got too into the housing once I heard how expensive it was lol.

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check the apartment buildings on your server. each one holds something like 90 apartments.

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Originally Posted by savageink

who buys the same crafted gear more then once? it doesn't change anything.

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You'd be surprised, honestly?

People need to stop asking about a Glamour Log or whatever. It got brought up again today at E3, and again was rejected as not viable for FFXIV's systems.

So maybe instead of clinging to the notion and bringing it up at every opportunity, we should instead try asking the developers on what their take on a better system might be?

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I would rather have ANY form of new content instead of the devs working on glamour books that would only mainly benefit one server..... BALMUNG.

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I rather them fix inventory management then keep adding to the problem every 2 months

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

People need to stop asking about a Glamour Log or whatever. It got brought up again today at E3, and again was rejected as not viable for FFXIV's systems.

So maybe instead of clinging to the notion and bringing it up at every opportunity, we should instead try asking the developers on what their take on a better system might be?

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REMOVE!!! item management from the retainers then. Have an item bank or something, make a new system with new coding to deal with the ever increasing inventory problems.

In my view they are jsut making excuses to milk money from retainer rental, you pay DOUBLE YOUR SUB! for 8 retainers, so from a business prospective they get more benefit from making excuses and not fixing the problem

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Originally Posted by Hamada

I rather them fix inventory management then keep adding to the problem every 2 months

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A simple sort button would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

A simple sort button would be nice.

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Not that i mean all the time you spend dealing with 8 retainers waiting for menus to load and such, and that is not even enough room, it is barely functional.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It seems the devs don't actually know what we want. Here is Blade & Soul, a free two play MMO. Their Wardrobe system works by listing every possible "armour" and allowing you to move any outfits you acquired into it. You can pull them out at any time, provided you're subscribed. I fail to see how a triple A game like FFXIV cannot basically copy this system. The server excuse is just annoying at this point. Weren't they relocated to upgrade them? All this comes across as is Square Enix knowing retain subscriptions would decline.



That isn't the argument though. At least it isn't mine. I adore both the Paladin and Dark Knight AF outfits yet I'm unable to wear both if I want to maintain a progressive ilvl. If I choose Paladin, both Warrior and Dark Knight default to whatever the raid gear is. So instead of enjoying all the unique job glamours, I usually end up shelving them fairly quickly.

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So how come a f2p mno can make inventory functional and this game can't? Or look at runescape with the currency tabs

Setup a glamour NPC OR Enhance the Armoire. Present all of your gear to the NPC. It records and spiritbonds everything you present to it. You can then discard or store the item. You will also obtain a journal or magazine. The magazine can hold say 20 of each slot. 20 Weapons. 20 Tops. 20 Pants. This is to limit the number of checks the system has to do. Check what items were selected and that they have been recorded in your armoire to stop cheating. You must go to the NPC/Armoire if you want to add or change the immediately available outfits, so that it doesn't become a map by map load in issue. Don't like being limited to 20 choices? Build yourself a Vanity in your FC, Home or apartment! Spend hours making the best look.

Feels like this is an easy compromise.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

From a development standpoint, playing dress up probably ranks pretty low on the priority list when preparing for an expansion launch.

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Funny you should say that, when so much of their time and energy goes into aesthetics and gear every patch

or they could do something like Eq2 , Rift, lotro and others have done

a 2nd inventory , called Wardrobe / glamour .....and is saved based around your actual JOB and not based on actual gear

for example PLD and DRK ,omega fencing gear, with pld u put all your new Af3 on that slots and save the job config , ditto for drk ...and u will be able to look like a pld or a drk.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Yoshi P said today they didn't want to do glamor log book because it would make save files bigger and they are constantly rewriting the save file every time you do zone or do something which would tax the servers too much. Here is a solution to that problem. Would it be possible to only write to the glamor log file if a change occurs that effects the glamor log such as getting a new piece of gear. Otherwise do not write to this file when changing zones or other stuff that causes a full save file rewrite.

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If they used one row of each part in the Armoury to enable us to, say, allocate 5 outfits too, I would be happy. It wouldn't consume any more inventory/file size than before. :)

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

your new Af3 on that slots and save the job config , ditto for drk ...and u will be able to look like a pld on a drk.

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This is just terrible in so many ways I don't even know where to begin...

I'd rather they didn't reallocate resources to an alternate glamour system when the one we have works fine. It isn't the most convenient, but it works.

The thing I wish they WOULD fix is job specific glam for any shared jobs(tank/healer) being ruined if you try to play multiple roles. I wanna be able glam AF3 for PLD, AF3 for DRK and AF3 for WAR on one higher ilvl gearset(such as thr Omega set).

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

I'd rather they didn't reallocate resources to an alternate glamour system when the one we have works fine. It isn't the most convenient, but it works.

The thing I wish they WOULD fix is job specific glam for any shared jobs(tank/healer) being ruined if you try to play multiple roles. I wanna be able glam AF3 for PLD, AF3 for DRK and AF3 for WAR on one higher ilvl gearset(such as thr Omega set).

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That is what everyone wants. The system does not "Work Fine" specifically because it is horrifically restrictive with concern to glamouring gear that is shared between Jobs. This is what absolutely everyone is asking them to fix by improving the system. To say it works fine only to then chime in and repeat the same complaint as everyone else is a downright oxymoron.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

It's not perfect, but it's better than no glamour at all. As for restrictions on gear, restrictions are necessary for AF and Job-specific gear at least, because that is the whole purpose of AF in the first place!

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Allowing another Job or class to equip it, even for glamour, completely throws that whole idea out the window. Which is why the glamour system has Job restrictions on it. Given that Yoshi stated this ages ago it shows he's pretty firm on this subject (and rightly so), so I do not see that changing at all.

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It doesn't really matter how they treat the AF gear - because nobody uses it for glamour anyway. Only people who use the AF stuff at all are those who haven't got anything better.
(Slightly exaggerated, but only slightly.)

Or a butt/hips/thighs slider.