Marauder 1.20

Marauders are fearsome frontline combatants whose arsenal of actions enables them to strengthen their offensive and defensive prowess, whichever the situation demands. Charging into battle with a massive axe, the marauder quickly draws the attention of enemies, and turns their attacks against them. Warriors have the honor of possessing the highest HP of any class or job. Thriving on the enmity of his foes, there is no fiercer fighter on the field of battle.


What We Know:
STR & VIT are Marauder's damage modifiers. STR offers increased Attack Power, VIT affects damage taken & maximum HP. Marauder is still effective at both DD & Tank archetypes, though it falls short of it's damage potential on high movement fights (ie; Good King Moggle Mog XII).


Combos:
Heavy Swing (performed from the front of the target) > Skull Sunder / Increased Enmity
Path of the Storm (performed from behind target) > Whirlwind / Consumes TP to increase damage when below 50% HP
Brutal Swing (performed from left or right of the target) > Maim / Increased Accuracy
Brutal Swing (performed from left or right of the target) > Maim> Godsbane / Increased Crit Rate



Effective Cross-Class Abilities:
Archer
Decoy (2) - Evades one ranged or magical attack
Hawk's Eye (6) - Increased Accuracy for next weaponskill **
Quelling Strike (22) - Reduced Emnity & generates TP on next weaponskill
Chameleon (42) - Reduces Emnity

Pugilist
Featherfoot (2) - Increased Evasion, fades after evading an attack
Second Wind (6) - Self cure, requires 250 TP
Blindside (14) - Forced critical attack from behind target

Gladiator
Rampart (2) - Increase physical defense & generates enmity
Flash (14) - Increases target's enmity
Sentinel (22) - Temporarily reduces damage taken, increases emnity from actions while active

Lancer
Blood for Blood (6) - Consumes HP to increase damage of next attack
Invigorate (14) - Grants TP, TP does not diminish out of combat while effect is active
Keen Flurry (26) - Consume HP to reduce recast time of next WS

Conjurer
Cure (2) - Restore a portion of target's HP
Protect (6) - Increases defense **
Raise (18) - Resurrects a target
Stoneskin (26) - Prevents a fixed amount of damage **
Sacred Prism (34) - Increases casting time to convert next single-target healing or enhancing spell to affect multiple targets

Thaumaturge
Resonance (22) - Increases casting range.
Sanguine Rite (30) - Restores MP in proportion to damage taken. Casts cannot be interrupted while effect is active.

** for Solo purposes


Level 50 Gear Options:
Damage Dealer:
Head - Paragon Crown / Sipahi Turban / Cobalt Chain Coif - Materia: Mag. Evasion (Manaflight
Neck - X
Earrings - X
Rings - +STR (Garnet) / +VIT (Heliodore)
Chest - Cobalt Haubergeon - Materia: +Crit Attack (Savage Might)
Gloves - Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets - Materia: +STR or +Attack (STR or Heaven's Fist)
Belt - Penance
Pants - Felt Trousers - Materia: +STR/+VIT (Ironman's Will)
Boots - Cobalt Sollerets - Materia: +HP (Bloodthirst)

Tank:
Head - Paragon Crown / Sentinel's Celata / Cobalt Celata - Materia: Mag. Evasion (Manaflight)
Neck - X
Earrings - X
Rings - +STR (Garnet) / +VIT (Heliodore)
Chest - Cobalt Cuirass - Materia: +HP or +VIT (Bloodthirst or VIT)
Gloves - Sentinel's Gauntlets - Materia: +HP or +Parry (Bloodthirst or Battledance)
Belt - Sentinel's Plate Belt / Cobalt Plate Belt - Materia: +Emnity (Touch of Rage)
Pants - Felt Trousers - +STR/+VIT (Ironman's Will)
Boots - Sentinel's Sabatons - Materia: +HP (Bloodthirst)

*** I have not tested DEF Materia, if anyone has any information on if this is beneficial please post and I will add it. ***

Any information you feel should be included, feel free to post in the thread as I will be ammending this thread as time goes on.

Well, class customization is nearly gone. In a try of adding "identity" to classes now they all will play just the same...same cross-class actions, they all single target...all mages with radial spells. Welcome to FFXI-2!

Here the options we have (skipped non-exclusive WSs since makes no sense having them equipped since they cannot combo...unless some of them happen to be very strong...but this would need to wait and see):

PGL: Featherfoot, Second Wind, Blindside
GLA: Sentinel, Flash, Rampart
LNC: Blood to Blood, Invigorate, Keen Flurry
ARC: Hawk's Eye, Decoy

CNJ: Cure, Raise
THM: Necrogenesis, Sanguine Rite

Seeing we can have 10 of these, i'd keep fulltime:

All 3 LNC ones, second wind and cure. Blindside, raise and hawk's eye would come when DDing and all 3 GLA, necrogenesis and featherfoot when tanking.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

Well, class customization is nearly gone.

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No it's not.

I was going through trying to make my Mrd tank list...
Pgl: Second Wind
Gla: Rampart, Flash, Sentinel
Con: Cure, Raise(just because...)
Arc: Decoy, Hawk's Eye
Lnc: Invigorate, Keen Flurry

Maybe more people will post here so I can get a better idea of what 10 actions to take for optimal tanking.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

THM: Necrogenesis

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This says that it restores HP when next attack spell is cast. Would you add in an attack spell to your list to be able to use it?

I'm under the impression that combat will seem slower now with such high cooldowns on weaponskills?

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Originally Posted by Yuppiekin

This says that it restores HP when next attack spell is cast. Would you add in an attack spell to your list to be able to use it?

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Yes, depending of it's healing potency. I like having cure equipped fulltime so i would have it equipped as tank for sure...if necrogenesis can heal the same as a cure, it's already good enough IMO.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

I'm under the impression that combat will seem slower now with such high cooldowns on weaponskills?

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So am i...specially with no basic attacks and TP gain reduction...i have the feeling it will be like FFXI, where to store 3000 (the cap. 300 there, but we used to get like 14 TP/hit with 2-handed weapons, which would be like 140 TP/hit here) TP you will take 2-3 minutes ><

Also, Keen Flurry kind of lost it's purpose...now it should create a 30 seconds or s window where all WSs would have 0 recast...because now it will matter very little if i use Keen Flurry, as example, to prevent the 60 sec recast of Godsbane i still will have to wait the 20 seconds of Brutal Swing and the 30 sec od Maim.

Same goes for Whrilwind...this one can use Keen flurry more effectively because the combo uses just 2 WSs (and whrilwind has 80 sec delay)...but still "Path of the Storm" (soooooooooooooo gay this name change) will have to wait 30 seconds.

IMO these delays are WAY too big...they might potentially be reflecting some extremely slow battle pace...like "I'll put these recasts because they won't have TP before this anyway".

Also, what concerns me is the enmity unstability peak it will cause...with everyone storing TP at same rate (assuming they keep the relationship of TP/delay constant) pretty much everybody will be getting 1500-3000 TP nearly at same time so it's possible that sometimes position bonuses end being messed because mob moved...and for PGL we still have the range...depending of the monster's movement you might actually lose the combo before getting in range (i use exp chain timer as reference...if i kill the mob with timer under 3 seconds it already counts as time up, even if i still had time remaining at my screen).

Will have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

Well, class customization is nearly gone. In a try of adding "identity" to classes now they all will play just the same...same cross-class actions, they all single target...all mages with radial spells. Welcome to FFXI-2

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Have you compared the non-exclusive WSs to the Incap chart? Haven't checked yet but we may have situational uses for some WSs. I don't feel class customization is totally gone but I get your point for the most part. MRD is kinda lucky in it's role in that it can be a viable tank & DD, so it can still lean more heavily one way or another, though most classes won't have this luxury.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

Yes, depending of it's healing potency. I like having cure equipped fulltime so i would have it equipped as tank for sure...if necrogenesis can heal the same as a cure, it's already good enough IMO.

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I think what he was implying is that you would need Necrogenesis + a damage spell. As far as losing two slots for this, I don't personally feel it would be worth it when we already come with Bloodbath.

One thing I did notice, I think I would choose to add Quelling Strike to the bar in place of Hawk's Eye. From my understanding Lancer will be taking the real hit to Accuracy, whereas Quelling Strike adds a bit of TP generation to the next Weaponskill, which sounds kinda nice with the hit to TP generation.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Have you compared the non-exclusive WSs to the Incap chart? Haven't checked yet but we may have situational uses for some WSs. I don't feel class customization is totally gone but I get your point for the most part. MRD is kinda lucky in it's role in that it can be a viable tank & DD, so it can still lean more heavily one way or another, though most classes won't have this luxury.

I think what he was implying is that you would need Necrogenesis + a damage spell. As far as losing two slots for this, I don't personally feel it would be worth it when we already come with Bloodbath.

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But the thing is that we actually know nothing about the new system...it all will depend of WSs potency too...if they remove affinity penalty due secondary attributes, it's all good. But, at start, i'd assume ppl might be focusing on WSs that can combo since the following WSs will be TP-free. Why would i spend 1500 TP with a Concussive Blow if with this very same TP i can do a Brutal Swing > Maim > Godsbane?

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Originally Posted by Belial

One thing I did notice, I think I would choose to add Quelling Strike to the bar in place of Hawk's Eye. From my understanding Lancer will be taking the real hit to Accuracy, whereas Quelling Strike adds a bit of TP generation to the next Weaponskill, which sounds kinda nice with the hit to TP generation.

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I think you "misunderstood" it...WS generates no TP. For non-ARC quelling strike only reduces enmity generated. It increases TP generated because ARC kept the "Shot" basic attack and barrage.

Unless, just like is at FFXI, WSs start generating TP too...if so, yep, quelling strike might be good to use before multihit WSs.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

But the thing is that we actually know nothing about the new system...it all will depend of WSs potency too...if they remove affinity penalty due secondary attributes, it's all good. But, at start, i'd assume ppl might be focusing on WSs that can combo since the following WSs will be TP-free. Why would i spend 1500 TP with a Concussive Blow if with this very same TP i can do a Brutal Swing > Maim > Godsbane?

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I can tell you simply that if incapping a body part increases a drop of some sort (ie: Buffalo > Horn), then it will probably be asked of us to incap the appendage before downing the mob, but again, this depends on how incaps work and I haven't checked to see if there's any correlation between incap WSs & available cross-class WSs. I agree Combos will be the main focal point of the class, but you have 10 slots to fill up with back-up abilities and the cross-class abilities we have available aren't all useful all the time.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

I think you "misunderstood" it...WS generates no TP. For non-ARC quelling strike only reduces enmity generated. It increases TP generated because ARC kept the "Shot" basic attack and barrage.

Unless, just like is at FFXI, WSs start generating TP too...if so, yep, quelling strike might be good to use before multihit WSs.

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I get what you're saying, my bad for reading it quickly as it does state "Next Attack" and not Weaponskill, but I'm extremely hopeful as it would be a nice boost if it did add TP to a WS.

Edit: There may yet be a use for Quelling Strike when combined with Berserk, since Berserk will fade once you receive damage, Quelling Strike may be useful to keep uptime, but that's kinda situational and speculation again. I'm curious as to if Berserk caps, or if you just keep increasing AP & lowering Def.

Ok, i misread necrogenesis text. My bad. So nothing from THM can actually be used.

For CNJ, tho, stoneskin is pretty good due the hight enhancing magic from VIT. I've been trying to combo Sacred Prism and Stoneskin and it working pretty well in heavy damage fights. Also, need to see if the enmity is increased this way since a "curaga" can also draw some cool enmity.

I was thinking...a good adjustment to the class would be path of the storms being radial AoE again and increased damage or increased enmity as WS bonus. But i'd also change the bonus condition from "WS from behind" (which nearly killed any possibility of using Whrilwind in combo against multiple monsters) to "2 or more enemies at AoE range". This way it would only have the bonus effect if used against groups of monsters, restricting the use against bosses and stuff, but making it very effective where it matters...group fight.

EDIT: Forgot to say why i think it's a good change....it would leave MRD with a tank combo (heavy swing one), a DD combo (brutal swing one) and an AoE combo (path one)

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

I'm under the impression that combat will seem slower now with such high cooldowns on weaponskills?

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i was able to execute 7 ws in a row yesterday one after another, so its not that slow. Just requires better understanding of your class now.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i was able to execute 7 ws in a row yesterday one after another, so its not that slow. Just requires better understanding of your class now.

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Ha, trust me, it can be that slow. I didn't think Accuracy was an issue, and it may not be. But I unluckily missed 5 times in a row in Natalan. So yea, it -can- go slower. lol.

Also, Quelling Strike adds 300 TP gain to WSs. Got some more playing around to do though, may have to check out DEX rings to see if they can tip the Accuracy issue at all, or if it's even worth it. I think it was just luck though.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Ha, trust me, it can be that slow. I didn't think Accuracy was an issue, and it may not be. But I unluckily missed 5 times in a row in Natalan. So yea, it -can- go slower. lol.

Also, Quelling Strike adds 300 TP gain to WSs. Got some more playing around to do though, may have to check out DEX rings to see if they can tip the Accuracy issue at all, or if it's even worth it. I think it was just luck though.

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my AA misses allot more now, but i rarely miss a ws.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

my AA misses allot more now, but i rarely miss a ws.

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Yes, that's where I noticed the hit to Accuracy. WSs I haven't noticed missing a lot, though I've easily missed a few, very infrequently so far though.

Nice work Belial!

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i was able to execute 7 ws in a row yesterday one after another, so its not that slow. Just requires better understanding of your class now.

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Funny, but you would have to be doing a lot of nothing before you get that tp first.

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Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles

Nice work Belial!

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Thanks Miyaka, I've been a little lazy as I've been making a huge effort to grind my classes to 50 for the Paragon Crown, but I'm slowly but surely updating bits and pieces, hopefully I'll be able to add a lot more to this over xmas break.

I would add chamaleon (archer 42) if you aren't tanking.

You guys are gimping your Ifrit fights if you don't use Resonance. You can now easily Raise one of your party members when Ifrit jumps from across the field. Very worthwhile. Everyone with Raise should have it equipped without exception. Otherwise, I use most of what's posted.

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Originally Posted by ErnieKeebler

You guys are gimping your Ifrit fights if you don't use Resonance. You can now easily Raise one of your party members when Ifrit jumps from across the field. Very worthwhile. Everyone with Raise should have it equipped without exception. Otherwise, I use most of what's posted.

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I'm going to make an edit eventually for specific endgame situations such as Primals, Raids & Strongholds, since not all abilities are useful in all situations. I'll probably be a bit more dedicated once Jobs are introduced, this is more of a basic guideline until then. I'll add Resonance to the list however.

Also it only really applies if death in the fight is common, I understand this could be an issue especially for groups new to the encounter, however not everyone will need to use it. Especially in a tanking scenario, you really shouldn't be raising, although it is an option during the jump phase post-Hellfire.

Ah, that's my mistake. I was assuming this was Primal-specific for some reason.


Death happens and being prepared is nice. Implying that it doesn't happen to even experienced groups is ridiculous. People won't go down left and right, but there are definitely casualties on the majority of runs and I'd rather the mages buff the group as it comes together during the Jump or top me off than waste their time/mp on Raise. Post-Rage Jumps are a great opportunity. A good CON can usually keep my HP up and I usually have 400-500 mp left during a good fight anyway. Why not use it?

To be honest, it's hard for me to fill out my bar and I still think Resonance has it's place most of the time. It is very overlooked. Outside of Ifrit, I guess Blood for Blood is a good substitute in it's place? My healers didn't like it when I used it in Ifrit recently. They panicked a bit. :)

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Originally Posted by ErnieKeebler

Ah, that's my mistake. I was assuming this was Primal-specific for some reason.


Death happens and being prepared is nice. Implying that it doesn't happen to even experienced groups is ridiculous. People won't go down left and right, but there are definitely casualties on the majority of runs and I'd rather the mages buff the group as it comes together during the Jump or top me off than waste their time/mp on Raise. Post-Rage Jumps are a great opportunity. A good CON can usually keep my HP up and I usually have 400-500 mp left during a good fight anyway. Why not use it?

To be honest, it's hard for me to fill out my bar and I still think Resonance has it's place most of the time. It is very overlooked. Outside of Ifrit, I guess Blood for Blood is a good substitute in it's place? My healers didn't like it when I used it in Ifrit recently. They panicked a bit. :)

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I wasn't implying it doesn't happen, I was implying Resonance isn't always going to be useful, and it's not. It certainly can be sometimes, but it's not something I would ever keep on my action bar, personally. I know it's always nice to have those "what-if" buttons for scenarios, but for my own playstyle I would never use it as a MRD during Ifrit, especially if I were tanking the encounter, if I were DD, maybe.

DD should be raising the dead on Ifrit (never the tank, keep your MP for self-curing, etc.), so if you are DDing on MRD than by all means throw it up. As a tank though, I would suggest against it personally as I feel there are better options. At the same time if you don't have every class at 50 you won't have some of these options so this may be one of the more useful skills for you to use.

Also you can negate the HP use from Blood For Blood by combining it with Bloodbath.

Don't take what I say the wrong way though, I don't think you're wrong for using it, the cross-class skills we have are subject to what we have leveled and what personal playstyle is, so that's why I did add it to the list since it can be used situationally.

For me though, I'll probably never use it. :)

Sanguine Rite (THM lvl 30) for recovering MP. Very useful for tanking longer fights, aka Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Sanguine Rite (THM lvl 30) for recovering MP. Very useful for tanking longer fights, aka Ifrit.

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I haven't included Sanguine Rite because THM should be the one throwing this up (and virtually every group has a glass cannon these days). On top of MP generation their version includes damage reduction, and generally MP recovery is more geared towards Gladiator (MND being one of their main class stats), I feel Marauder's tanking is based more on it's damage output than on enmity abilities or self-healing like Gladiator.

You want the mp when the shit hits the fan -_-; Besides self healing when Sentinel is up gives a lot of hate too. Sentinel + Sacred Prism + Cure on the DDs is yummy threat too.

I think Sanguine Rite is self cast only too & if you try to combine it with Sacred Prism then the THM would have to run to the tank at Ifrit, which is a "No no".

Sanguine Rite is amazing if you're kiting during Moogle Fight, especially if you take Gladiator and Marauder at the same time. Rite will give you the MP for that extra Prism+Cure or Stoneskin you else wouldnt cast because THF managed to snatch some MPs

Also Marauder tanking is primarily like other tanks: Survival. Rite helps with that.
The dammage output is a plus when your encounter is a DPS race, and yeah also needed to keep enmity.

Enough good points have been made so Sanguine Rite has been added to yonder list.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Funny, but you would have to be doing a lot of nothing before you get that tp first.

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or just hit invigorate and AA 3-4 times and get 3k tp....