Suggestion: PUPPETMASTER JOB [Concept Idea] - please support

Since i started a thread about PUPP i now come along with a small concept idea which you can see below. [B](Concept coming in few secs)

First of all my idea around the PUPP is based on the job in Final Fantasy XI Online.
For those who havent played FFXI some small videos here:
PUPPETMASTER Solo - Final Fantasy XI [Video]
PUPPETMASTER GROUP - Final Fantasy XI [Video]

I am a hybrid and pet loving class, what i miss about the recent Pet classes is that they are quiet WoW'ish inspired. You summon your pets, they auto attack and have endless MP/TP so that they spam their skills endlessly (kind of "summon and forget" pets with small additional dmg). With PUPP i want to have a job where you have deep direct control over your pet and where your pet makes a huge amount of your total damage - the master and the puppet being closely interrelated with each other. So that even the emotes of the puppetmaster are being imitated by the puppet. And maybe a battle concept that is combined with the Puppetmasters melee attacks.

This is just a concept idea from me personally and also relies slightly on the pupp in FFXI but made it more "FFXIV" alike, where the job has its own Interface and mechanic. The similarity which this concept shares is that if you spam your commands to your puppet in FFXI that the pet also fell into "stasis" (how i call it). While Stasis the pet was stunned/ or not able to use any abillity for a period of time.

MY CONCEPT - SOME IDEAS (all numbers and skills are fictional - just some ideas to come up with)
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#Vote Up if you support PUPP to be implemented into Final Fantasy XIV ;)

See the videos above to have a look how FFXI "felt" in Final Fantasy XI.

Thank you :)

:rolleyes: Another "FFXI Nostalgia" thread?...

As much as it'd be cool for more jobs. Can we cool it for bow? We are getting 2 new ones in little time and asking for more at this time seems to be greedy

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

As much as it'd be cool for more jobs. Can we cool it for bow? We are getting 2 new ones in little time and asking for more at this time seems to be greedy

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Though i understand what you mean.

I asked for it about 3 years ago ;) But for now i come along with a concept idea.

So it would be nice if you would support it if you find PUPP all in all interesting. Im not asking here for PUPP being implemented this year or whatsoever.

So i would really appreciate if you would have to say anything around the job (concept) itself :) Even if it doesnt look like it, i spend some time on it ;)


Thank you and greetings

To be honest, if they were to add this job, and I wouldn't really want them to, I would want it to be completely different from the XI version. So I don't like this idea at all.

It's obvious you went through a lot of work to put that graphic together. I'd say I have to agree that it's a bit too soon to be discussing new jobs for 5.0 when 4.0 hasn't even hit yet. Even then, I'd think the game would be better off bringing a new tank and healer to 5.0. If they absolutely wanted to bring dps instead, there are better options for implementation, such as BLU, Chemist, Spellblade, DNC, or maybe even BST

I would like to try out PUP

Not going to happen, now that we know what the early development jobs were going to be the next jobs in 5.0 are sealed I would say.

If they decide make puppetmaster (I doubt it because pet classes doesn't work very well in this game) I prefer it is his own thing adapted to FFXIV style, and not just a FFXI nostalgia class. Better just no base class or Job hybrid, like other new jobs. Also It is better other kind of puppets, not Mammets.

Having a job with that much variety doesn't seem like it'd work in XIV at all, plus the gauge thing just seems like a copy of Mch's for 4.0

Plus you have a '15 minute cooldown' on there. Those only exist in XI dude >>

Not to mention I don't want someone going about switching their puppet willy nilly and provoking/messing with people in dungeons/ect, this is just bad in my opinion.

And 'OH NO MY PUPPET KEEPS DYING LOL!' losing 45% of their DPS is just way too much.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Having a job with that much variety doesn't seem like it'd work in XIV at all,

plus the gauge thing just seems like a copy of Mch's for 4.0

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Then you havent understood what i meant by the heatometer.

in other words it works like a MP bar the other way around. You shouldnt fill the heat bar completely or your puppet "overheats" and falls into stasis mode. Which mean it cant perform any actions anymore for a period of time. This is to prevent command spamming / heal or whatever spamming.
And a MCH the more bullets he has the more dmg he does. so now what do both things have in common now?

And what is with a bard? He can sing support songs and still is a dps.. a summoner having tank pet etc. too.. no i dont think that utillity is too much for a damage dealing job. A rdm pet having a small regen healing buff doesnt make it a healing elios pet with endless spaming heals. Especially if it would be limited to due to a system like that.

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Plus you have a '15 minute cooldown' on there. Those only exist in XI dude >>

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FFXI had 1 hour cooldowns.. and no 15 minute cooldowns are normal in MMorpgs.. and i think the ,,Enkindle" skill of Summoner had a much higher cooldown timer (around 10 mins i think) back then.

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Not to mention I don't want someone going about switching their puppet willy nilly and provoking/messing with people in dungeons/ect, this is just bad in my opinion.

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As if you dont know the summoner's titan pet has provoke too.. i dont know why this should be a thing.. Provoke could be just in solo or very urgent situations to tank some adds off the tank. the pupp could use it concerning the current situations or dungeons. If more dps is needed you wouldnt switch over to a PLD puppet.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Not going to happen, now that we know what the early development jobs were going to be the next jobs in 5.0 are sealed I would say.

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So thats an argument for not liking the idea of a puppetmaster job in FFXIV? Sorry i dont understand that anti wave here.

The longest cooldown we have in game right now is Hallowed Ground, with an 8 minute timer. That ability you suggested is no where near as good as Hallowed, which doesn't make sense at all to have a quarter of an hour cooldown.

Enkindle in XIV has a cooldown of only three minutes, lest you forget that this IS NOT FFXI, SE has stated this isn't XI, so I don't know why people keep using that as an argument for some of this stuff

Tell me about Summoner's Titan-Egi provoke, please. I only see two skills is has that say 'Increase enmity'. None of them say ANYTHING about being put at the top of the aggro list, so I don't understand where you're getting any of this. All I know is that the Enkindle for Titan just drops a DoT puddle.

And yes, a bard is a support DPS, but he can't do all the support at once that you're suggesting that Puppetmaster/whatever can do a lot more than just base support. Healing/Tanking/DPSing. It sounds like you want a class that can do everything all at once.

All in all the way you're trying to suggest/explain things just looks like something thrown together kind of quickly.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

To be honest, if they were to add this job, and I wouldn't really want them to, I would want it to be completely different from the XI version. So I don't like this idea at all.

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This, and we do not exactly know how RDM is going to be played but I am fairly sure there is no en spells. Why not wait to see SB a bit before coming up with a pup concept? You have too much FFXI ideas and this isn't FFXI.

(on a side note the noises they made in ffxi annoyed me, I really didn't like one in the party. Plus SE had a ton of trouble in FFXI, first it was off the wall gimp at release and I think it became op at some point? But because of the sigma, there was a significant part of the playerbase that did not want them in a party.)

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Originally Posted by Bacent

The longest cooldown we have in game right now is Hallowed Ground, with an 8 minute timer. That ability you suggested is no where near as good as Hallowed, which doesn't make sense at all to have a quarter of an hour cooldown.

Enkindle in XIV has a cooldown of only three minutes, lest you forget that this IS NOT FFXI, SE has stated this isn't XI, so I don't know why people keep using that as an argument for some of this stuff

Tell me about Summoner's Titan-Egi provoke, please. I only see two skills is has that say 'Increase enmity'. None of them say ANYTHING about being put at the top of the aggro list, so I don't understand where you're getting any of this. All I know is that the Enkindle for Titan just drops a DoT puddle.

And yes, a bard is a support DPS, but he can't do all the support at once that you're suggesting that Puppetmaster/whatever can do a lot more than just base support. Healing/Tanking/DPSing. It sounds like you want a class that can do everything all at once.

All in all the way you're trying to suggest/explain things just looks like something thrown together kind of quickly.

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I agree with this post as well, esp bold. Again remember what I told you last time, it should be primarily DPS, and you may want to wait to see how RDM is handled before trying this again.

The vision of the op for puppet master aside.. it would be nice to have another pet class.

As for people who say pet classes won't work in this game.... don't know why. Make em tough to murder and you're gold.

Would be nice if it was a buff class that also did its share of DPS (enough to warrant a slot in parties).

I say this as half a jest, as surely they would never do this, but what if they did add it but it was added on the mogstation?

Because you asked me to give some criticism I have this to say.

The job as a concept could work and I don't see why it couldn't happen in the game. The game play in theory is unique and would play differently from other DPS classes but more similarly Summoner and perhaps also Machinist.

But I also feel that at some point there is such a thing as too much choice. I say this because when somebody like myself is presented with too many choices it can be really hard to decide on any one thing especially after having done something a particular way for so long as many of us have done with our ma in classes.

One of the reasons I feel a new tank or healing class hasn't been introduced yet is due to the difficulty of making a new job for them that feels truely unique and not a reskins of another tank/healer.

While it is true that the job you propose would operate and revolve around puppets is it going to play unique enough to not run ibto that issue? I can't say as I've never played this job in a fine fantasy game before.

The more important question though is does the fame currently have the capability to perform all that you wish to do with the job?

I do like the idea but I don't think now is the right time.

loved pup in FFXI too bad it was released in so bad state and u needed to be rich in order to even start playing it at acceptable level ....and some were a must have :(

anyway a dual axe beastmaster would be wayyyy cooler :o

Why didn't you just edit the thread you made from a few days ago and remove the shared class stuff?

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

loved pup in FFXI too bad it was released in so bad state and u needed to be rich in order to even start playing it at acceptable level ....and some were a must have :(

anyway a dual axe beastmaster would be wayyyy cooler :o

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though taming monsters in FFXIV wouldnt be as satisfying as in FFXI i'd say ;D Since the monsters are more or less trash mobs ;D

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Originally Posted by Hamada

I agree with this post as well, esp bold. Again remember what I told you last time, it should be primarily DPS, and you may want to wait to see how RDM is handled before trying this again.

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A class that can do everything? So Summoner can do everything, too. Because the SMN has a tanking pet? ;D

Im quiet wondering from which MMorpgs most of you are coming from. But PUPP worked well in FFXI. and it wasnt like that that a PUPP could replace a RDM, BLM only because he had a small semi version of these.. ;XD And a PUPPET couldnt replace a healer either... it healed just frome time to time. and not spamming like an elios pet. primarly all puppets are there for adding damage to the puppet.

You can pick a puppet concerning the current situation for small extra stuff.. with a WHM Pupp you would have a low damage magic pet, which from time to time could heal in tricky situations.. but therefore you have very low DPS, but still you would be a damage dealer. With a RNG pet out you would increase your damage and as for the party members drastically.. but you wont have support at the same time.

i played so many MMorpgs with summoners that are damage dealer and had the possibility to summon a supporter pet (but therefore decreased their damage at the same time).. And no one ever would come to the conclusion that the enchanter in "Dark Age of Camelot" is a healer or can "do everything".

just because the class had a caster, a tank and a healing pet... and damage spells..


in FFXI you would never ever heard a person saying that PUPP is a class that "can do everything". its a matter of balancing out. How often can a puppet use an abillity, with which potency and with what casting speed etc.

Its pretty said that we came the WoW way... that it seems out of imagination for people that a class has some variation in their reportoir. A Bard can also do damage and support the party with songs and nobody complains.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

It's obvious you went through a lot of work to put that graphic together. I'd say I have to agree that it's a bit too soon to be discussing new jobs for 5.0 when 4.0 hasn't even hit yet. Even then, I'd think the game would be better off bringing a new tank and healer to 5.0. If they absolutely wanted to bring dps instead, there are better options for implementation, such as BLU, Chemist, Spellblade, DNC, or maybe even BST

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How about Tank puppets ? SMN/MCH/ACN is DPS pers, SCH is Healing pets.

Just to build on some ideas from the other thread. It's kinda sad that the game didn't put more thought into the class-job system thus we wound up with that wonky ACN - SMN/SCH thing that doesn't quite work.

But why not create a "job" that simply has a Tank, Healer or DPS "control stick" for the puppets, and unlike Arcanist, the level 1-30 skills are all based on the same actions, eg "single target offense cast", "multitarget offense cast", "single target defense cast", and "multitarget defense cast". So if the WHM puppet is up, you get Stone, Aero, Cure, Medica. If the BLM puppet is up, you get Fire, Fire II, Thunder, Blizzard II. You could also create a custom puppet that is simply whatever offense or defense skills that fit in that slot for that role, provided you have earned them at some point.

Like the mechanics for this exist, both SMN and SCH use arcanist as a base class, and they only change by weapon equipped. The problem I see here is weapon bloat. The casting and animation data already exists in the existing jobs. Heck, the game even has it's own automations (mammet's), so it could be viable at some point without as much work as a completely new job requiring new animations. But then again I have not played FFXI, I've played another game that had a puppeteer class.

The thing that is broken in XIV at least for implementing this is the need to have DPS/Tank/Healer roles as separate jobs. If it was simply possible to switch between a "DPS weapon" and a "Tank Weapon" while everything remain intact, it should just boost the role's respective DPS or Tanking stats. Like if you summon the WHM puppet with the DPS control stick, it will work, but it will be like when Cleric Stance is turned on, DPS is 5x more powerful, but the healing is 1/10th. Likewise if you summoned a DPS puppet with a Healer weapon, it would boost the defensive/healing skills (if it even has any) and weaken the DPS.

Or do take the "clothe your puppet" angle, and whatever you gear your puppets in (eg WHM, PLD, BLM, RDM, etc) is the role assigned to to the weapon, and the puppet has to be out before picking a role-locked duty.

PS, before everyone forgets why the job switching was bad on ACN, it's because you assign the bonus points, and you need INT for DPS but Mind for Healing, hence your summoner/scholar is either nerfed in one or the other. The most direct way to address this with a puppet job is to simply treat it as three jobs with the same storyline and maybe just track the exp level of the job.

I would prefer to tame beasts and have them fight by my side. I think they are called Beastmasters in the FF series. Sorry no vote for Puppetmaster from me because I doubt we'd get both.

Kudos to the op for such a well thought out design and effort into your idea. Unfortunately, there is alot of anti-ffxi sentiments on these forums from what I've noticed. Probably WOW players that tried ffxi and didn't like it.

I think pup would be a great addition to the pet classes in this game and the overheat mechanic/UI bar you created is neat but if a pet stops attacking completely that is a severe dps loss. If anything overheating would limit a puppet to auto attacks only for a certain duration and then the heat % deterioration can resume. Pup could use some different ability/skills reworking in regards to its ffxi counterpart though so that it doesn't seem so similar to monk in playstyle. We don't want the same problem that scholar and summoner had/still have. I'm sure the dev team will think of something when and if they do bring pup into the game.

FFXIs PUP was a new take on Mechanist. Essentially Mechanist with a pet. (Look at the automatons abilities copying prior FF Mechanists abilities)
FFXIVs Mechanist is a Mechanist, with Musketeer mixed together. (We all know SE made Musketeer > MCH, and took out the class, same with AST going Time Mage, and taking out the time mage part)

Also, the main appeal of PUP was its unique spin on "jack of all trades" compared to those like BLU or RDM. (To some extent SMN)

It would just be done like RDM, and given a role within the trinity.
(And honestly with how SMN is treated, it would just be a better playstyle of SMN, which should just go to SMN instead.)

PUP should remain the unique Mechanist of FFXI, until we get a game that can properly use its pros, otherwise its just going to be PUP aesthetic. (Which if thats what you want, then by all means, keep pushing for it. I was in the same boat with RDM and BLU, give me the aesthetic, because they are FF jobs, not because I expect jack of all trades)

(If I were to make a pet job, that isnt a DPS like SMN, and isnt a healer like SCH, then I'd vote BST for tank. Though BST is only in 2 main numbered FFs if I recall, so maybe there's another better suited job, more common within the FF series.)

EDIT: forgot to mention, MCH will have this over heat bar, not sure why you suggest its different.
if MCHs bar fills up too much, it hurts their DPS, but if its too low, they cant use certain attacks. Essentially its an MP bar that isnt allowed to fill up to max.

As a puppetmaster main from FFXI I have to say I don't want the job in this fashion. If this job is ever added I want SE to create it as a fresh concept similar to how RDM was created uniquely.

PUP has so much potential and I feel like in FF11 they were alright but they weren't given justice. First off they were just a MNK with a jack of all trades pet so basically a RDM with the utility on the pet. And they weren't up to par with any of the other jobs making them unwanted. Now the only thing that FF11 did great for the job identity is give the PUP a lot of ways of controlling the PUP AI, and customization of the PUP.

The only thing that I think a PUP job should have in FF14 is the following:
1.) Make most actions used through the puppet instead of the master.
2.) The master MUST be the support of the puppet (Ex. the master would cast spells to improve their puppets.)
3.) Give them a lot of appearance customization options.

I really disliked Puppetmaster. But we're all in this together and I won't knock an idea just because I don't want it. So here is your upvote.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

though taming monsters in FFXIV wouldnt be as satisfying as in FFXI i'd say ;D Since the monsters are more or less trash mobs ;D



A class that can do everything? So Summoner can do everything, too. Because the SMN has a tanking pet? ;D

Im quiet wondering from which MMorpgs most of you are coming from. But PUPP worked well in FFXI. and it wasnt like that that a PUPP could replace a RDM, BLM only because he had a small semi version of these.. ;XD And a PUPPET couldnt replace a healer either... it healed just frome time to time. and not spamming like an elios pet. primarly all puppets are there for adding damage to the puppet.

You can pick a puppet concerning the current situation for small extra stuff.. with a WHM Pupp you would have a low damage magic pet, which from time to time could heal in tricky situations.. but therefore you have very low DPS, but still you would be a damage dealer. With a RNG pet out you would increase your damage and as for the party members drastically.. but you wont have support at the same time.

i played so many MMorpgs with summoners that are damage dealer and had the possibility to summon a supporter pet (but therefore decreased their damage at the same time).. And no one ever would come to the conclusion that the enchanter in "Dark Age of Camelot" is a healer or can "do everything".

just because the class had a caster, a tank and a healing pet... and damage spells..


in FFXI you would never ever heard a person saying that PUPP is a class that "can do everything". its a matter of balancing out. How often can a puppet use an abillity, with which potency and with what casting speed etc.

Its pretty said that we came the WoW way... that it seems out of imagination for people that a class has some variation in their reportoir. A Bard can also do damage and support the party with songs and nobody complains.

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Summoners can't heal outside triggering divine veil and some clutch moments in deep. Anything can "heal" 1-30 esp when on a class. For anything titan is able to "tank" so can any class, like 1-30 dfs, and other things. Like I said in other thread, I will bring it up here since you wanted to compare to summoner. When you try do all roles like this, something would be insanely useless (like SMN healing and taking) or be OP. Seeing they can't balance SCH and SMN, how you expect them to balance something this complex?

For the rest of the post you missed my point FULLY! RDM is not getting en spells as far as we are shown and why would it even get aero II? This is not FFXI, this game works nothing like FFXI, you can't just throw a pure FFXI concept and hope it works. The way balance is dealt with is way differently.

Again just wait for SB and wait and watch to see how RDM plays and maybe you can come up with something that can work in this game.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Kudos to the op for such a well thought out design and effort into your idea. Unfortunately, there is alot of anti-ffxi sentiments on these forums from what I've noticed. Probably WOW players that tried ffxi and didn't like it.

I think pup would be a great addition to the pet classes in this game and the overheat mechanic/UI bar you created is neat but if a pet stops attacking completely that is a severe dps loss. If anything overheating would limit a puppet to auto attacks only for a certain duration and then the heat % deterioration can resume. Pup could use some different ability/skills reworking in regards to its ffxi counterpart though so that it doesn't seem so similar to monk in playstyle. We don't want the same problem that scholar and summoner had/still have. I'm sure the dev team will think of something when and if they do bring pup into the game.

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Uh.. i like ffxi.. and played it for 10 years? I am just able to see both games are different and making a clone from one to the other does not work...

Overall not a bad concept, but there are four major problems that I'm seeing:

1) Like I've said in a multitude of other threads, the major reason why we don't have another pet job is because of the extreme necessity to rework the pet control system so that pets aren't prioritizing their auto-attack over any other command. In this regard, the best remedy to this is to simply remove auto-attacks for both the character and the puppet and then buff damage from weaponskills and abilities as needed.

2) WAY too much utility, mostly because no job needs that many pet options. It might sound nice to have, but when the job is even more pet-oriented than SMN in a game where "hybrid" jobs don't have as much of a place, it just gets broken fast. It would probably make more sense to either pick two of the puppet options presented ( like one for damage and one for personal support) or have one puppet and bake both damage and support skills and abilities into it.

3) For any job, individuality is key as noted in the shiny new resource systems we're getting. Since we're already getting a heat gauge for MCH, I'd probably want to look for another resource. Maybe something like control power, or string tension, or maybe both.

4) So this last point I know I'll probably get a TON of flak on, but I do feel like it needs to be said. Given the multiple cases using FFXI to present this concept, it does hearken back to a term used by the director of FFXV: "Final Fantasy Syndrome". He would explain that every person who plays Final Fantasy games has that one favorite game in the series, but some so much so that they want other Final Fantasy games to be like that one single game, which can cause a major damper on creating new ideas for future game content. It's okay to be inspired by ideas from the past (which is usually how most of these job concepts are conceived), but it's also important to make them different and suitably adapt them to the systems of a game here in the present. Attempting a resource system is a good start, but the reason why you're likely getting so much "Anti-FFXI" sentiment is because this still seems like a job for FFXI, not FFXIV.

Keep working on it though. I'd love to see a puppeteer-like job, but it really does need to be something wholly different. Heck, I might even try making my own after looking at this one.

The SCH fairy looks ok but SMN pets look like potatos. If they add another pet class there will be a 50/50 chance of the pets turning out like SMN pets. I understand why they look that way(because the devs wanted to cut down on screen clutter for low end PCs and ps3's) but it certainly lowers the appeal of the class for me. I'd be ok with never getting another pet class tbh.

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Originally Posted by Lengue

:rolleyes: Another "FFXI Nostalgia" thread?...

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The irony most people complain about players want things from older FF games, while FF14 has copied 90% of the mobs,jobs etc from other FF games. Especially that heavensward had a lot of monsters and names from FFXI lol, even the job DRK was from FFXI.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

even the job DRK was from FFXI.

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I can't...

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

even the job DRK was from FFXI.

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Knight

Reading material is nice.


Anyways...

I'm hating on this solely because it looks like a 'change' to the build in XI, for XI. Nothing really fits at all for XIV with anything the OP is actually saying, and it looks like a bit of a rip off of the stuff for MCH in 4.0 personally.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I can't...

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Maybe they are a new ff fan but I did a mental facepalm too.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Knight

Reading material is nice.


Anyways...

I'm hating on this solely because it looks like a 'change' to the build in XI, for XI. Nothing really fits at all for XIV with anything the OP is actually saying, and it looks like a bit of a rip off of the stuff for MCH in 4.0 personally.

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That iss exactly why he is getting the criticizum and same thing happened the last time he tried this. The only thing I can advice is wait for SB a bit to see if they make adjustments to RDm,WHM etc and learn the true direction of FFXIV and fit a pup idea for ffxiv

Nice job putting all the graphics together, but I think classes like DNC, BLU or an original FFXIV job are more likely next in line. I miss LOLPUP, perhaps a egi-glamour to make it look like a mammet, but I think that will be a stretch to the lore.

Pass! I'd take beastmaster over this any day!

Also to the OP, I would like to say this.

It looks like you've been gone for a couple years from the game, and have only recently come back due to me looking at your levels and forums posts. I would greatly suggest getting a better grasp on multiple classes skills/spells/abilities before trying to come up with a possible class for the game when you need to do your homework on what would and would not work in game. You're simply asking for too much, and trying to keep it too much like in FFXI.

Wait until you see the changes of 4.0 and get used to them, them possibly revisit this idea you're trying to form. Remember, you don't write a book report just from seeing the cover and the first few pages.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Also to the OP, I would like to say this.

It looks like you've been gone for a couple years from the game, and have only recently come back due to me looking at your levels and forums posts. I would greatly suggest getting a better grasp on multiple classes skills/spells/abilities before trying to come up with a possible class for the game when you need to do your homework on what would and would not work in game. You're simply asking for too much, and trying to keep it too much like in FFXI.

Wait until you see the changes of 4.0 and get used to them, them possibly revisit this idea you're trying to form. Remember, you don't write a book report just from seeing the cover and the first few pages.

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That is exactly why I said wait for SB last time, maybe he will understand with you explaining it that way.

How's about instead of PUP, you have Engineer(ENG). And instead of puppets/mammets you have magitek drones. And instead of 3 drones for 3 roles, you have a single drone you "equip" with gear to change their stats/abilities (basically like retainer gear is now, but the gear adds abilities so you can make your own drone build). Can be introduced if/when we go to Garlemald. Weapon is a wrench/manual. Manual functions much like a shield with PLD but obviously nowhere near as defensive.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

How's about instead of PUP, you have Engineer(ENG). And instead of puppets/mammets you have magitek drones. And instead of 3 drones for 3 roles, you have a single drone you "equip" with gear to change their stats/abilities (basically like retainer gear is now, but the gear adds abilities so you can make your own drone build). Can be introduced if/when we go to Garlemald. Weapon is a wrench/manual. Manual functions much like a shield with PLD but obviously nowhere near as defensive.

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sounds like what mch should of been

So what job role would PUP be? DPS or Tank.