[Request] Imperial "Beast Tribes". Play for the Empire!

Something I would really like.. is the ability to play for the Empire somehow.

I mean to some of us. The Empire actually can be appealing. One does not have to be Kefka batshit crazy to be an imp. Look at Leo and Celes.

Needless to say, I would be happy to keep RPing my lore as a Magitek Runic Mystic with an official beast tribe like quest, cept it being for the Imperial faction.

(That of Imperial GC would be nice..)

Thoughts anyone?

I could see a "beast tribe" of Imperials who deserted the Empire working within the lore. Working with them to set up an escape route for others like them and building a place to call home.

I doubt actually working for the Empire itself would happen, working with them now and again on matters of mutual interest might be possible (primal threat for example,) but a beast tribe daily quest setup for the Garleans themselves seems very unlikely.

Correct me if I'm wrong (FFVI has been a while), but arent both Leo and Celes ultimatly "traitors" as in people who deserted?

My point being here is basically: The Empire is one of our main antagonists. Even if we might share some intrestes they end up being a threat - we're going to spend the next few weeks trying to liberate two nations from their influence (and sorry, as much as one might agree with their wish to get rid of primals, I've got a bit more trouble with symphasizing with them overthrowing Doma an Ala Mhigo). There has to be a lot of change to make the actual empire a friend of ours. It would also mean losing our most constant threat, which would be a very odd thing...

Maybe, But then again, some of us may like being a Sith too. =p

However Ill go ahead and concede. The idea of a Imperials who deserted the Empire and created their own camp. That could be acceptable. They could still value "Power" or military might, minus the "Lets take over the world and kill everyone" thing.

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Maybe, But then again, some of us may like being a Sith too. =p

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Oh, I dont doubt that - but that basically requires a second campaign, does it not? ;P

I guess that could be intresting though - unlikely, because it would mean making a second mainquest more or less, but intresting. Just not something I could see happening atm - not when we have characters on our side like Lucia, Cid and now Nero who all fleed the empire... would be a bit awkward to go and join them now for those three, wouldnt it?

Vidu, One could say, How come the "Light" gets to dictate how I should play.

One should be able to be a balance of light and darkness. Even in the MSQ the Warriors of Darkness who were the heroes talked about this. So there could come a time... when the warrior of light. Needs to balance the status quo again.

Either way. Would be fun. Of even if it was a GC. This way for PVP, one could support the empire.

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Vidu, One could say, How come the "Light" gets to dictate how I should play.

One should be able to be a balance of light and darkness. Even in the MSQ the Warriors of Darkness who were the heroes talked about this. So there could come a time... when the warrior of light. Needs to balance the status quo again.

Either way. Would be fun. Of even if it was a GC. This way for PVP, one could support the empire.

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We obviously have different point of views - because I wouldnt say its the "Light" that dictates how to play but the writers of the story. (You might have also noticed that its not so much the "Light", as in Hydalyean herself, that dictates our movements but rather a large amount of politics. Little of what we did in Ishgard came down to the "Light" dictating anything and an aweful lot was connected to Ishgardian politics) And for them the Empire is the main antagonist right now - getting rid of that (and to form an alliance you would have to) would mean a major change within the whole story itself. For that to happen we had to cats our differences aside (so either Eorzea doesnt care about independence anymore or the Empire stops conquering the whole world) which would only make sense when there is a great threat to the both of us (Ascians come to mind).
And thats basically my point here: Right now it doesnt make much sense to form a real, lasting alliance with the Empire - and I'd rather not see a drastic change like that without a really good cause and development leading towards it. And even then you wouldnt play for the Empire but if anything have that absorbed as city state.

I'm not speaking up against this - again: I'd consider an empire-campaign, so to speak, rather intresting. But that would be more of a seperate mainquest rather than our current character becoming some sort of person connected to the Empire. Just like how we stumbled into Ishgard as some sort of freelancer instead of being revelead as the true heir of the house Fortempes.

So yeah my opinion to this basically is: we either need a second mainquest with a maincharacter whos part of the Empire OR we need very, very, very good reason to turn one of the main antagonists of the game into an alley (aswell as find a proper replacment). If I were asked to guess I'd say both are highly unlikely - and I'm perfectly fine with that since I have no desire to play as a Garlean or have the Empire as part of the alliance. (You might disagree, but please keep in mind that you asked for thoughts - here are mine, sorry that they differ from yours. I just cant see a permanent alliance fit into the narrative of the game very well)

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Vidu, One could say, How come the "Light" gets to dictate how I should play.

One should be able to be a balance of light and darkness. Even in the MSQ the Warriors of Darkness who were the heroes talked about this. So there could come a time... when the warrior of light. Needs to balance the status quo again.

Either way. Would be fun. Of even if it was a GC. This way for PVP, one could support the empire.

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Your basically wanting them to change a core aspect of the design of the game. That isn't really reasonable or feasible Even trying to do that would massively increase the workload as a massive amount of content couldn't be shared. Simply put, its impractical.

I understand you interest (though I don't particularly share it) but this game just isn't built that way.

That said, we will probably work with the empire eventually. However expect us to be working for a common cause, probably with more moderate elements, rather than 'turning to the dark side'.

The problem with your suggestion is that this game is designed to only tell one story. The good vs bad kind of plotlines wouldn't really work with a title like this unless it was rebuilt from the ground up with that in mind.

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Something I would really like.. is the ability to play for the Empire somehow.

I mean to some of us. The Empire actually can be appealing. One does not have to be Kefka batshit crazy to be an imp. Look at Leo and Celes.

Needless to say, I would be happy to keep RPing my lore as a Magitek Runic Mystic with an official beast tribe like quest, cept it being for the Imperial faction.

(That of Imperial GC would be nice..)

Thoughts anyone?

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No.

The Garlean Empire is a clear and present danger to Eorzea, the idea of the WoL working for them is completely wrong. It would be like working for the Allagans or Ascians. Of course I have no doubt that there are players who want to play the bad guys, but we are not the bad guys in this game, we are the good guys and that's how it needs to remain.

As the story goes on it becomes obivous eventually the Garlean Empire will become our allies to defeat the Ascions and keep there plan from reserrecting their God and bring about the destruction of the world.

The removal of a great power such as the Garlean Empire will leave a power vacuum in the world thus people of power will take advantage over and take action bring about far more Chaos to feed the ressurection of Zodiark.

However, now is not that time as the Garlean Empire currently is the Ascion's greatest asset to bring about the ressurection of their God Zodiark. Also, as we learn so far, just like many other nations, the Garlean Empire is still under control of corrupt people within their power. The Emperor may have ignored them because they have proved results but the internal conflicts for position of power is still there.

Those corrupt people are the Asicon's greatest assets and just like the devil they only need to whisper promises of power to them to easily make the ignore the dangers of following the Allagan Empire.

Still to judge them for what we see now is still a bit too soon in my opinion as we know very little about what Garlemald is like since no one from outside of Garlemald has ever brought description nor images to what the Garlean Empire has developed their Country into.

For all we know the Garlemald could look like FFXIV or FFXIII world considering their level of technology and how the civilization survived by completely depending on Technology since Garleans can not use magic due to their genetics.

Then guess we are left to help maybe a refugee camp of traitors who left the empire but still maybe favor the imperial ways of might. Not asking to change the main story. Just an option to express a way to be an Imp supporter somehow.

Think about it.. we have the helm.. we have the body.. but no pants lol. Even some more Imp Glam could be fun. Diff styles and so.

One can do good for Eorzea but still value personal power.

I give you exhibit A: =p
http://orig10.deviantart.net/74e3/f/...er-d604pis.jpg

It will never happen because the FF series has never been about 'playing as the bad guys', which SE has almost always depicted Empires as being, the 'Evil Empire' trope at work, way back since FFII (the only FF game that featured a more sympathetic empire was FFXI with the Empire of Aht Urhgan in the Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion... and even they were responsible for some rather underhanded and heinous acts). Garlemald has never been mentioned either in universe or by the development team as anything other than antagonists.

They are not protagonists, they are not our allies, they only want to dominate and conquer and have the entire planet under their jackboot, and only know power for power's sake. Whatever moral high ground they once had went right out of the window the moment they started allying with the Ascians.

Although there are Garlean defectors to Eorzea, they are rather few and far between, Cid and the Garlond Ironworks being the obvious example, but there is also Drest the marooned Juggernaut pilot in Eastern La Noscea (who is a draftee from a subject nation and hates the Empire, and only wants to see his family), and Lucia who was sent to Ishgard to spy on the theocracy for the Empire only to defect when she fell in love with Aymeric.

Conditions in the Garlean army are harsh - failure is not tolerated and always results in a death sentence, literally (Drest actually had Garlean hit teams sent after him because he refused to return to Castrum Ocidens, and even Nero mentioned that only death awaits him back in Garlemald, hence his erstwhile assistance with the Alliance (I stop short deliberately of calling it a defection though, as I still don't trust him). Even Gaius would have been executed if he ever returned to Garlemald, as he had turned rogue after the Calamity due to being placed under Nael's command, and well we all know how that turned out.

And the big kicker as to why players will never be able to play as the Empire? One word, the 'Echo'. Garlemald originally regarded those with the Echo as a heretic no different from a beastman, and thus to be executed as soon as they were identified. Although they soon discovered the Echo's protection from Primal tempering, that just meant an Echo user would be imprisoned and dissected for study rather than being executed, but it was still certain death either way you look at it. So a Garlean awoken to the Echo would be in a very dangerous position, thus why players will never be able to be Garlean.

Either way, Imy point is, if you want to play as an antagonist like the Empire, this is the wrong game for that as that option will never be added due it going against the very core ideas of the FF series itself.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Conditions in the Garlean army are harsh - failure is not tolerated and always results in a death sentence.

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Sounds like many endgame savage raids and FC expectations. =p


But yea, then what would people think about Imperial Glam? Maybe even a PVP mode where you would be "The Empire". Nothing to do with storyline or tribes?

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Sounds like many endgame savage raids and FC expectations. =p


But yea, then what would people think about Imperial Glam? Maybe even a PVP mode where you would be "The Empire". Nothing to do with storyline or tribes?

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Imperial glamour is actually quite possible, maybe even likely. PvP is doubtful. In both FF11 and 14, PvP is a friendly competition.

Yea that would be cool. A few different glam styles. Least then could have a FC who wants to show off as Imp. Maybe even add a house banner item too.