Average iLvl should be adjusted and weighted properly

I was reading a story in another thread and it reminded me to bring up this issue that's been a problem since the start of 2.0.

If I equip an iLvl 50 weapon, and an iLvl 270 ring, my gearset's iLvl would be the same as it would be if I equipped an iLvl 270 weapon and an iLvl 50 ring.

This has been a glaring issue for a long time. People bumping iLvl simply by gearing up their cheaper pieces (accessories) before doing left side (armor & weapon).

It's common knowledge that a weapon is worth more than a ring in terms of contribution, yet they are weighted the same. Why?

Why should my average iLvl increase the exact same amount if I upgraded to a higher level accessory as it would if I upgraded my weapon?

This really should be adjusted to allow for proper weighting.
Part of the issue is being mitigated with the addition of exclusive accessories in SB (not being able to equip a MND ring on a DPS for example), however the underlying issue still remains.

You can very quickly inflate your average iLvl by simply upgrading all of the cheaper, less impactful slots first - and upgrade the more important slots like weapon/body/legs afterwards.

*Edit* I am pretty fail at using the search function in these forums.

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A better, more fleshed out thread about this can be found here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t....-4.0-reminder

And I would go a step further and also weigh the tome costs appropriately while we're at it.

Your weapon is counted twice in its weight if you have no sub weapon. So a brd wearing an ilvl 50 wep and a 270 ring would have a weight of 370 to divide by slots. Where as a 270 weapon and a 50 ring would have a weight of 590 to divide by slots. You should not arrive at the same ilevel with a low weapon.

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Originally Posted by Zhainekyo

Your weapon is counted twice in its weight if you have no sub weapon. So a brd wearing an ilvl 50 wep and a 270 ring would have a weight of 320 to divide by slots. Where as a 270 weapon and a 50 ring would have a weight of 590 to divide by slots.

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Interesting.

That one I didn't know.

However it doesn't solve the issue of say a body piece versus a ring.

Totally agree. Its an issue. It really seems to me that left side should be weighted overall higher than right side.

I made a thread on this a while ago:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t....-4.0-reminder.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

ALL DUTY FINDER queues needs better ways of passing for entry. ..
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(Ilevel dodging)
This should not happen, the system needs to prevent this from happening. it should be simple, each job needs to pass a set amount of main stat, hp, and weapon level. Simple giving a gear average is not enough and too easy to work around that. Also all DFs needs requirements, I am sure you did not expect people to wear incorrect gear and the wrong gear like crafting gear to underperform soo much it is basically a 3 person dungeon, or in some cases makes the dungeon not even passable.

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I definitely agree with you on this.

I recall reading a post a while back in which someone found their way into an Alex run with a SUPER under-leveled weapon (I think that was what it was, at any rate).

A large portion of people seemed to think it didn't matter since "the group cleared the instance." I think it would be better if SE could nip these kind of situations in the bud before people abusing the system can find their way into parties, raids, etc.

I think this is a good idea. I've had at least a handful of groups that failed because the tank decided that cheap accessories were more important than actual armor.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

I made a thread on this a while ago:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t....-4.0-reminder.

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I actually remember this thread. Probably worth a bump as it's a lot more fleshed out than this one.

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Originally Posted by Altena

I actually remember this thread. Probably worth a bump as it's a lot more fleshed out than this one.

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just did and one of your stories was a reference , lol

Even with the right side class lock, people can still do ilevel dodging by not gearing the left. I recently posted on the horror thread about a tank doing mid 50 dfs in ilevel 90 gear for some on the left, causing an abandon. They thought it was ok because they could enter it from being level 53 or whatever, all DFs need stat checks too. enough is enough people are too lazy and take advantage of the system.

Think it would also help if they had a level requirement per gear along side the ilv. In that if your doing Zurvan EX by this time you should have all level 60 gear, lock it to where the player must have at least all 60 gear equipped + meet the required ilv, would possibly help avoid the all 270 but the level 50 weapon or such. Was just an example so don't quote me for corrections.

I still don't understand why SE uses item level as the metric in the DF. PS3 limitations? (sarcasm) Just use primary stat checks! People cheese the iLvl check ALL THE TIME!

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

I still don't understand why SE uses item level as the metric in the DF. PS3 limitations? (sarcasm) Just use primary stat checks! People cheese the iLvl check ALL THE TIME!

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Weapon damage should definitely come into play there as well though.. As it just means far too much.

I am fine with main stat as a gate - but someone can have a very average weapon and be ok in all the other slots and still pass a check if it was only main stat.
It would be similar to the iLvl issue.

My MCH qualifies for dun scaith with an ironworks weapon. I accidentally almost qued for it one time on my MCH.

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Originally Posted by Altena

Weapon damage should definitely come into play there as well though.. As it just means far too much.

I am fine with main stat as a gate - but someone can have a very average weapon and be ok in all the other slots and still pass a check if it was only main stat.
It would be similar to the iLvl issue.

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That is what I was trying to address in my thread.

Why should a tank enter in a df 2k less then what another should be? it needs main stat, weapon level, and hp, ilevel alone is not enough, unless they change the gear itself where all slots are as weighed as same as weapon for stat difference.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

That is what I was trying to address in my thread.

Why should a tank enter in a df 2k less then what another should be? it needs main stat, weapon level, and hp, ilevel alone is not enough, unless they change the gear itself where all slots are as weighed as same as weapon for stat difference.

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I had an all right side strength dark knight enter a12n recently with about 20k hp.