Mogstation poll

I made a strawpoll here: http://www.strawpoll.me/13076859

If you have a moment, please go there and answer truthfully. I've tried to include most of the viewpoints people have mentioned in various threads. No this won't bring about change, win your arguments or save the children. It's more just for the sake of curiosity.

The poll options:
- There have not been any items I want on the mogstation.
- There are/have been items I want on the mogstation, but I cannot afford them.
- There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I can afford them, but find the items priced too high.
- There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I can afford them, but I refuse to pay for items that I believe should be included with my subscription.
- There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I have purchased them, despite feeling they were overpriced.
- There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I have purchased them.

Results can be viewed: here.

Does fantasia count? I may have a slight fantasia addiction.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Does fantasia count? I may have a slight fantasia addiction.

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Fantasia counts. :)

Ok I voted.

I feel like both 3 and 6 apply...depending on when/what item it was

There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I can afford them, but find the items priced too high.

So I refuse in buying them, that simple. Those prices should be account wide at the very least, what a joke. For a single character the price should be 1/5th. I would agree on the dye pricing if it was not a one time use and that you can override the rare dye with something. With one time use, it should be a pack of 5 for 1 dollar.

That or make them realistically obtainable in game, this was not the case since 3.3

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

I feel like both 3 and 6 apply...depending on when/what item it was

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I'd say whichever fits your current view. If you can't decide you can still enjoy sitting back and watching the pie chart fluctuate. ;D

What I consider more fair is something like 5$ per outfit, 10$ for account wide. 1$ per emote, 3$ for account wide. I would buy it for that, honestly. It's hard to resist it as it is because I reaaaally want all 3 of those beautiful 18$ outfits quite a bit. But I was below the poverty line for most my life so I really value my money much too much to frivelously spend it on 18$ virtual shirt and pants when there is so much more that is far more worth it.

I used to think COD DLC was overpriced to hell but it's a freaking full course meal compared to this one french fry. To hit closet to home, another SE game: FFXV, had its first DLC priced at 5$ for a new 2 hour dungeon and story, new playable character, new trial mode, new outfit, and new sword. 5$. And I still see people say THAT is overpriced. They'd probably have heatt failure if they say this blatant theivery at work.

But i am well aware they won't be changing it anytime soon. Not only would it be unfair to those who HAD bought it previously at the robber's price but they know they can get away with it so they'll keep at it.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

What I consider more fair is something like 5$ per outfit, 10$ for account wide. 1$ per emote, 3$ for account wide. I would buy it for that, honestly. It's hard to resist it as it is because I reaaaally want all 3 of those beautiful 18$ outfits quite a bit. But I was below the poverty line for most my life so I really value my money much too much to frivelously spend it on 18$ virtual shirt and pants when there is so much more that is far more worth it.

I used to think COD DLC was overpriced to hell but it's a freaking full course meal compared to this one french fry. To hit closet to home, another SE game: FFXV, had its first DLC priced at 5$ for a new 2 hour dungeon and story, new playable character, new trial mode, new outfit, and new sword. 5$. And I still see people say THAT is overpriced. They'd probably have heatt failure if they say this blatant theivery at work.

But i am well aware they won't be changing it anytime soon. Not only would it be unfair to those who HAD bought it previously at the robber's price but they know they can get away with it so they'll keep at it.

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Holy hell, your comment really hits home for me.

I'm fortunate to have a well paying job now and i could afford the items, but $18 could feed me for the better part of a week. If I'm going to blow cash on stuff, I want value for money, which I am not getting here. D: I've known real hunger, so even now as an adult I am very careful about where my money goes.

And before someone mentions "But you're paying a sub!" I am paying $9.99 for an entire month's entertainment (thank you, legacy pricing<3); that's far cheaper than most hobbies and totally worth it imo.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

What I consider more fair is something like 5$ per outfit, 10$ for account wide.

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$5-7 per outfit, period - account wide. That's the price point I'm used to in other MMOs.

I picked the option of there are things I want, but I find the price too high (though I can afford it), so I don't buy.

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There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I have purchased them, despite feeling they were overpriced.

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I picked this option. Despite the fact that I know things may be overpriced, I buy them because they are things I want, things that would bring me joy. I don't regret buying almost everything from the Mog Station (and I feel this is gonna get me some shade).

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I picked this option. Despite the fact that I know things may be overpriced, I buy them because they are things I want, things that would bring me joy. I don't regret buying almost everything from the Mog Station (and I feel this is gonna get me some shade).

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Not at all! Do what makes you happy!

Edit: I think most of the shade throwing on this topic is really coming from folks not understanding that there's more than one view point (and that's okay). The value of a dollar may be different to you than it is to Bob, and that's cool. I think it's important to be open minded and try to find a middle ground.

I have a mixed feeling of 3, 4, 5 and 6.

I haven't voted because I can't pick a good option; most of the items I want I feel are a fair price (minions mostly...), and I want them and can afford them...yet I haven't bought any.

I can't even really say why I haven't, I just...haven't. Probably a lot of "I can get them whenever, no rush", and I'm a major procrastinator...

Multiple options apply to me, but the one that applies best is not there:

I want the items, but I want to be able to obtain them in-game.

Buying them for real money is simply not fun.

If I could obtain them in-game, even if that meant buying them off of other players, i would be perfectly happy with the mog station.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

$5-7 per outfit, period - account wide. That's the price point I'm used to in other MMOs..

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What game are you referencing? $5-7 is pretty cheap compared to the games I'm used to for full outfits. The only one I can think of in that range that I've played is the original Guild Wars, and that's likely because of the age of the game.

E.g.
Guild Wars 2: Outfits cost 800 gems each, which costs $10 to purchase. Most individual pieces (e.g. just a weapon skin) cost from 300-600 gems which are the $4-7 range.
ESO: Full outfits cost 1000 crowns each, which costs roughly $12 to purchase. Single pieces (e.g. just a shirt or just some pants) costs 500-700 crowns, which costs roughly $7-9 to purchase. It's hard to give an exact price, because it's not possible to purchase crowns to exactly match the cost of the items.
WoW: I don't play WoW, but looking at their store shows that just a single helm costs $15.

FFXIV optional item pricing is pretty comparable to the market standard for current games. Whether or not that standard is something to agree with is another statement entirely.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Multiple options apply to me, but the one that applies best is not there:

I want the items, but I want to be able to obtain them in-game.

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I think that would count under "There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I can afford them, but I refuse to pay for items that I believe should be included with my subscription."

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

WoW: I don't play WoW, but looking at their store shows that just a single helm costs $15.

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Those helms were WoW dipping its feet in the transmog for cash pool and from what I saw it didn't go over well. It went so far as people getting kicked from groups for having the cash shop helm. It cooled down after awhile, but they don't appear to have put up any further transmog gear on their store. You'll also note that all the WoW items are tied to your account. Not sure about GW2. Everytime I log into that one I get overwhelmed and decide to clean the house instead. XD

I rarely ever buy things from the store so I picked "There have not been any items I want on the mogstation." as my option. It's not that I dislike the mogstation, it just doesn't add items that are to my taste. Take the outfits they've added lately. I'm more into fantasy European themed outfits, so the near/far eastern ones don't draw my attention all that much, not enough to buy one anyway. And the one European set they did add, the heavens ward armor set, was just like two sets I already have from Dusk Vigil and tank level 58 crafted gear, again not worth the money for a minor re-color. I also have no interest in main story NPC gear as it feels weird to dress just like an NPC does (personal opinion, don't mind SE adding them, just not something I personally want to do).

And that's my take on the mogstation.

TL'DR: Nothing meets my fashion sense enough to be worth buying.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

$5-7 per outfit, period - account wide. That's the price point I'm used to in other MMOs.

I picked the option of there are things I want, but I find the price too high (though I can afford it), so I don't buy.

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https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow

Those are the prices for WoW's Cash Shop. They are all either nearly equal to or more expensive than FFXIV. Why would Square Enix charge a third of the price when people buy everything rather consistently?

I've bought a few things. I don't mind them having a cash shop since it's just extra stuff. I started playing MMOs in the 90s and the subscription price now is the same as what I paid back then. I am assuming games are more expensive to make now.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Those are the prices for WoW's Cash Shop. They are all either nearly equal to or more expensive than FFXIV. Why would Square Enix charge a third of the price when people buy everything rather consistently?

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Be aware those are all account wide items that are accessible to all of your characters on an account vs FFXIV's pricing it per character.

The wording on the choices is very particular. Maybe when making a poll don't add so much wording to the choices. I would've put myself down for more things if the additional comments about the choices were not added.

It also makes the OP sound like they are against the Mog Station having these items because of how many particular comments in the choices about it. Need to keep the poll more impartial to get the best results. Also, don't release it when everyone is hot-headed, that will also cloud the results.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

What game are you referencing?

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I was slightly lowballing it in my original post, however...

GW2 outfits are actually 700 gems, which actually comes out to $8.75. All of their costume stuff unlocks account-wide.

I can't check the exact price of Rift items (game is in maintenance atm), but I recall them being ~$7-8. They also unlock account-wide.

WildStar costumes are 790 Protobucks, which is roughly $7 as well. And... again, account-wide.

These games all also have a way to store item appearances without cluttering your inventory, which makes purchasing them appealing. Even more, not only are they b2p/f2p, but you can actually obtain the outfits without ever spending real money. GW2 lets you purchase gems with gold; Rift does the same with plat. WildStar puts an Omnibit price on everything in the store, which is a currency you earn by playing the game at a pretty decent rate.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

The wording on the choices is very particular. Maybe when making a poll don't add so much wording to the choices. I would've put myself down for more things if the additional comments about the choices were not added.

It also makes the OP sound like they are against the Mog Station having these items because of how many particular comments in the choices about it. Need to keep the poll more impartial to get the best results. Also, don't release it when everyone is hot-headed, that will also cloud the results.

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I very much dislike the mogstation. I've made that clear on multiple occasions, but I tried to make the choices as impartial as possible, putting in the viewpoints I saw coming up in multiple threads. :) What would you have made the poll choices?

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Be aware those are all account wide items that are accessible to all of your characters on an account vs FFXIV's pricing it per character.

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Because WoW practically necessitates alts. If you want to play a different class, you have to create a whole new character and level from the ground up. Conversely, there is no reason to have an alt in FFXIV unless you're a roleplayer or want to get around the loot and specialist restrictions. Considering most players don't have more than two retainers per Yoshida himself, I doubt many have alts. Therefore, the devs probably don't see it as a big deal.

I don't mind that the cash shop exists but in a p2p game there should be an alternative way to get the items in game even if it's very hard to get.

FFXIV does nessecitate alts if you want to have more then 1 main job for progression under the current loot system

to see a true cross section of opinion, you need to include the option that you purchase and you think the pricing is reasonable as well.

None of these really cover my position. There are items on the Mogstation that I want and I have bought some. The price is a bit high, but doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is that the relative volume of new additions to the cash shop when compared to relative new additions to the game of similar items in the same time period is astronomical. I'll pay $7 for an emote, but I don't want to be paying $7 for an emote every month while none or virtually none are being added to the game. Furthermore, the only reason I'm willing to pay $7 for an emote that is limited to one character is because the design of the game is such that I have no desire for alts.

Even SWTOR with its hybrid cash shop-sub model gives subscribers free cash shop currency that they can save up to buy stuff they want without spending additional real money.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow

Those are the prices for WoW's Cash Shop. They are all either nearly equal to or more expensive than FFXIV. Why would Square Enix charge a third of the price when people buy everything rather consistently?

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For what it's worth, not only are those helmets account-wide, but despite being some of the oldest items in the cash shop, they're almost certainly some of the least widely owned.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

to see a true cross section of opinion, you need to include the option that you purchase and you think the pricing is reasonable as well.

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I figured that would have been covered under the 'There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I have purchased them.' category since I figured you are either ok with the pricing or you wanted the item enough to bypass a price you weren't thrilled with. Will keep it in mind if I ever do another poll though. :)

It's interesting to see that after the first 100 votes it's stayed relatively the same percentages (keeping in mind some people may have wanted to vote in multiple categories or didn't find one that exactly matched). Thank you all for taking the time to vote or explaining what choice you would have made if it was available!

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

What I consider more fair is something like 5$ per outfit, 10$ for account wide. 1$ per emote, 3$ for account wide. I would buy it for that, honestly. It's hard to resist it as it is because I reaaaally want all 3 of those beautiful 18$ outfits quite a bit. But I was below the poverty line for most my life so I really value my money much too much to frivelously spend it on 18$ virtual shirt and pants when there is so much more that is far more worth it.

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If these were the prices, I probably would have bought a lot off the mog station.
Atm I have a couple of things that were gifts. 3 carby lamps (valentines gift) and the /playdead (birthday gift)

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Originally Posted by Niqote

If these were the prices, I probably would have bought a lot off the mog station.

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This is how I feel. I'm okay with the idea of a cash shop in theory, and there are a lot of things on it I'd love to have, but I just can't justify those prices. The only item I've ever bought was the Slepnir mount when it was on sale for about half off.

My vote went to 'There are/have been items I want on the mogstation and I can afford them, but find the items priced too high.'

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Originally Posted by Niqote

If these were the prices, I probably would have bought a lot off the mog station.
Atm I have a couple of things that were gifts. 3 carby lamps (valentines gift) and the /playdead (birthday gift)

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You might, however would the overall playerbase? Based on the quoted numbers and the general estimate few people level alts in this game, SE would need to sell eight outfits for every two people they do now. It simply wouldn't be worth it for them, hence why we aren't ever doing to see such a massive reduction in price.

Thank you for this, Hope SE sees this one.

Where is the "Most of the stuff on the Mog Station is stuff I already have because they were free seasonal quest rewards and I don't care if they resell them to new players a year or 2 later" button?

SE might have calculated interest poorly. They probably settled on a price based off expected interest verse profit off investment. They might actually make more selling the items for a lower price.

I feel again I should probably point out, since it was on that list of options, Sub fees don't pay for the development of Cash Shop exclusive glamours. The sales of the items on the cash shop pay for the development costs. If they weren't on the cash shop, we wouldn't have gotten them ingame at all. That is the reason we are yet to see a Krile coat glamour, despite demand. The person responsible for greenlighting development for Mogstation items wasn't sure it would pay itself off due to the fact the Krile coat is technically challenging to adapt for other races.

Paid for EU data centre and it's upkeep. so I'm happy for the mogstation to be there

Voted! :) Paid for items despite thinking they're overpriced (although my actual gripe is that despite the value, the items themselves are not account-wide - so for a single character, they are in fact overpriced).

Nice poll by the way... It's a fairly nice way to get a notion of different opnions without actively baiting and inciting overly heated arguments :) thumbs up for that