Suggestion about jump potions

In order to make the game more accessible for new players, how about including a story and job jump potion with the purchase of Stormblood? This would be in line with what WoW does when you purchase a new expansion pack. Otherwise, a new player is looking at spending about $120 to get into the game for the first time.

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Originally Posted by Scox

In order to make the game more accessible for new players, how about including a story and job jump potion with the purchase of Stormblood? This would be in line with what WoW does when you purchase a new expansion pack. Otherwise, a new player is looking at spending about $120 to get into the game for the first time.

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Blasphemer. Don't you take away the hard earned dollars of SE. They need every penny to fly around the world and put on promotions. The current mogstation is a place of awesomeness, if they can't afford it they should get a real job.

I am sure I missed some. This is the wrong community to question about SE practices in relation to pretty much everything else in the world.

↓↓↓ case in point, no wrong.

Wow is like 10 years ahead of SE though, they have a reason to put said potion into their expansion. XIV isn't at a point where it needs to encourage new players to enter by giving them a free potion/skip book to partake in the new expansion.

It is just being put there as an option for those who may desire to jump ahead and play from the expansion.

Honestly if there is one fault I find with the potions is that they did ARR=18 and HW=24(think my prices are off) but the point is ARR only works for ARR but HW works for both, they should of at least allowed an option to purchase an HW only skip for the same price since people going through ARR/completed it may want to bypass HW but at the cost it's just not worth it.

No make them pay the 50$ to jump both job and story. Don't bundle it

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Originally Posted by Scox

Otherwise, a new player is looking at spending about $120 to get into the game for the first time.

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Only if their plan to get into the game for the first time includes jumping straight to the current expansion, and that's only going to apply to a certain portion of those coming in completely new.

Is bundling it a good idea? Yes it is.

The right time to bundle it with the purchase though is a more complex question. I don't know that less than four years in is the right time for that (WoW didn't add theirs at all until the 10 year mark, so FFXIV is kind of a bit early to the party on offering them at all imo).

Also I'd recommend ignoring trolls whose only non-contribution to the discussion involves mocking those with a different opinion.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

The right time to bundle it with the purchase though is a more complex question. I don't know that less than four years in is the right time for that (WoW didn't add theirs at all until the 10 year mark, so FFXIV is kind of a bit early to the party on offering them at all imo).

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Let us not cover the level potion just the story portion quest needed to get to Northrend

Hero's Call Northrend! Just a quest and a couple NPC's


Quest to get to Shirogane



A realm Reborn


A Realm Awoken


Through the Maelstrom


Defenders of Eorzea


Dreams of Ice


Before the Fall


Heavensward


As Goes Light so Goes Darkness


The Gears of Change


Revenge of the Horde


Soul Surrender


The Far Edge of Fate


I am noticing a little bit of difference in the amount of work between the two. I don't even bother to count how many quests each one has to get to the next one.

I personally think that FFXIV is one of if not the best MMO out there. Trying to talk a new player into trying out Stormblood would be a lot easier if they did some sort of bundle is all.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Let us not cover the level potion just the story portion quest needed to get to Northrend

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At that point there was no available skip, if you wanted to get to Northrend you either ran countless dungeons or quested through a variety of zones with no heirlooms to boost you all the way to level 68. The developers wouldn't decide that all that should be skippable as an option for another 6 years, and decided tacking it on to the expansion (while bumping the price up $10 as a consequence) was good for the game at that point.

And that's my point - bundling with the game should be a thing, but choosing the right time to do it is a complicated question with a highly subjective answer (not all games are at the same point in their overall life cycle as a game at the same age milestones, and doing it one way just because another MMO did it that way is a recipe for trouble). Bundling skip potions with the second expansion less than four years into the game is arguably not the right time to include it with the purchase of the game.

Six years in with expansion number three? Good time to start doing so. Eight years in at expansion number four? A no brainer if they haven't bundled it already.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

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You are missing my point. Northrend only required you to be lvled plus one quest. We are not at the point where we need a leveling boost. Hell PoTD levels you so fast. But we were past story skip potion at 2.5. The amount of work at the end of 2.5 is probably greater then any decade old MMO. So if they didn't bundle both, the story skip should almost be mandatory. That is why I said not to cover the level potion.

I can see using story and level jump potions for an alt character, but anyone who starts off the game using them for their main character is going to lose out on the whole point of the entire game and would just be stuck at the end with no clue what's going on.

It's definitely not something that should be encouraged for new players, which is what bundling them together with the game would do. If you simply gave people the potions because they got the game, they'd end up using them just because they're there, and not because they have any reason to want them. Too many players would destroy their game that way.

Go ahead and put them up in the MogStation for people who know the game well enough to know they want that on their next alt, but don't market them to newcomers for whom the potions would be a detriment to their game rather than a boost to it.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

You are missing my point. Northrend only required you to be lvled plus one quest. We are not at the point where we need a leveling boost. Hell PoTD levels you so fast. But we were past story skip potion at 2.5. The amount of work at the end of 2.5 is probably greater then any decade old MMO. So if they didn't bundle both, the story skip should almost be mandatory. That is why I said not to cover the level potion.

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And you are missing mine - that at that point in the story for WoW, there was no skipping of any kind available at all, so there's really no easy comparison. You're trying to compare apples and oranges to make your point.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It's definitely not something that should be encouraged for new players, which is what bundling them together with the game would do.

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I agree that this would be the kind of optics bundling it would give, and why it's too early to start doing. That they exist at all this early in the game's life cycle is enough.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

And you are missing mine - that at that point in the story for WoW, there was no skipping of any kind available at all, so there's really no easy comparison.

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Well, of course there wasn't because they didn't need any at the time. SE has managed to create more artificial gating in base game and the first expansion than other games in multiple expansions, hence they implemented them earlier.

And I'm still sure that's intentional. The sooner you can start selling such things, the better.

The point is based on work. Not if an item was available. Part of the Justification originally given, is new players find the game has to much work to enter new content. Also remember this dev team decided to double dip the cash shop by splitting level and game progression potions. Which makes it easier to discuss because it doesn't cover other aspects of the game.

Lets try to visualize a graph. If 14 requires you to do (random number) 100 quests to get into Stormblood. WoW requires you to do one, should WoW have a potion? Since same amount of time is required to level. You keep moving down the graph the quest side for 14 keeps growing since they don't know how to split quest chains. WoW is at a couple quest for the next expansion 14 is at 200. WoW decides not to split xp/quest into two potions. The work required from the quests is astronomical if leveling is close to the same spread across the expansions. Hopefully you can kind of visualize what I am getting at. With leveling not part of the jump the work load is quite large and should be considered part of the expansion.

Honestly I don't think the level Jump potion is really necessary yet at this point of the games life. I do think the story jump potion might have been worth adding to Stormblood. Getting to 60 isn't usually the hard part for new players. Its getting through the whole MSQ. Also the lvl jump potion really has inadequate support for helping people understand how their job functions. There is no real guide without looking up third parties. I can easily see someone who is new to the game getting overwhelmed by the number of buttons they have and no clear indication how and in which order to use them. Really, if they are going with a lvl jump potion they probably need to have some form of tutorial for newer players.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Really, if they are going with a lvl jump potion they probably need to have some form of tutorial for newer players.

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Totally agree with this, I hope they have something prepared. Otherwise, you'll have a bunch of new level 60's who are lost and have no idea what to do with their jobs. WoW does a pretty descent job with this, hopefully FF14 took notes.

i don't see how new player has to spend $120 to get into the game when SB release, I mean sure if they want skip everything in ARR and HW and just go straight to SB and do "end game" stuff but unless they going to be a raider end game is not all that amusing. I like crafting and gathering and the social aspect of the game it definitely not this end game content that everyone wants to rush to keeping me around.