If Final Fantasy XIV Had A "Hardcore" Mode Server or Setting

1. An "Aetheryte Ticket" is required every time Teleport is used. Otherwise, teleportation is disabled. Prepare for a lot of walking and chocobo riding!
This does not apply when quing with the Duty Finder.

2. Items on the marketboard can only be bought and sold at the same city of the retainer that it is assigned too.
Exa: If you made a retainer in U'ldah; people will have to use the marketboard in U'ldah in order to find your goods.

3. Changing retainer's assigned city requires 24 earth hours for contracts and permits to process. During that time, the retainer being transferred is unavailable. All items put up on the marketboard for sale by said retainer will also be removed.

4. Retainer charges 10% of the item being sold in advance, rather than only charging after selling. A player constantly undercutting may end up breaking even or losing money as a result.

5. Using Dark Matter to repair gear only repairs 30%. This means it requires at most 7 pieces of Dark Matter to maximise repairs of one equipment piece.

6. Return cannot be used during a duty. If all party members fall, a "Duty Failed" message pops before kicking everyone out The player or party will have to restart the entire duty from the beginning.

7. Chocobo Companions that fall during combat remain that way for 7 eorzean days (9 hours 20 min in earth time). Attempting to mount or stable fallen companions will display a "This option is not available at this time." message.

8. Most invisible walls leading to cliff-falls are removed. Players that fall off will automatically have their HP reduced to 0, and will be forced to Return unless in a duty. (Sea of Clouds has never been more deadly)

9. Performing more than 15 gathering attempts with a gathering class in less than an eorzean day has a 1% chance of giving players the "Fatigue" debuff for every other gathering attempt -- reduces accuracy for all gathering attempts by 20%. Fixed by sleeping at an inn for 8 eorzean hours (23 mins, 20 sec earth).

10. All environmental traps such as spikes. sand pits, canons, etc; now do triple damage to both players and enemies alike.

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11. Players are required to Eat, Hydrate, and Sleep every 12 earth hours after unlocking the airship. Failure to nourish inflicts -1 to a stat. These stat penalties trigger every day the player logs off and logs back on; up until -5 is achieved. Then another debuff is applied.

- Str and Pie for Hunger. At -5; player receives "Starving" which causes causes all critical hits to become normal hits. HP regeneration is also reduced by half.
- Vit and Int for Hydration. At -5; player receives "Diluted" which increases all casting and cooldown times by an extra 3 seconds. MP regeneration and TP regeneration is also reduced by half.
- Dex and Mnd for Sleep. At -5; player receives "Clumsy" which increases equipment wear: causing it to break
faster. Durability loss for using synthesis' in crafting also increases by an extra 5 points.

Fix hunger by consuming any food-related items.

Fix hydration by consuming vegetables, soups, drinks (other than potions), standing in fresh water, or standing anywhere in Coerthas.

Fix sleep by logging off at the inn through clicking on the bed AND remain logged off for 8 eorzean hours (23 minutes, 20 seconds), or by consuming Triple Cream Coffee.

Consuming meals gives "well nourished" buff, which blocks out all other stat penalties from lack of nourishment. Lasts until the player logs off. This buff can be manually disabled.

I hear real life simulatior 2017 is beta testing.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

I hear real life simulatior 2017 is beta testing.

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I'm already playing it and losing.

All this would make this less a "game" and more a chore of a "reality" simulator.

Not bad ideas if going for some kind of extreme realism, but not very good ones either.

Hardcore mode, or tedious mode?

SQUARE ENIX X FromSoftware

12. Between 10% and 40% of all your earnings go to the local government instead.

13. Crafting conglomerates may hire low-wage adventurers to do the quests in your stead and drive down rewards.

14. Quest hubs may be shut down for a lack of profitability.

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

Hardcore mode, or tedious mode?

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I see this often when people say that grinding is more hardcore then just doing quests. I guess alot of people confuse tedious for hardcore or more difficult.

You've likely noticed by now there is no logout button. Do not worry, this is not a bug! This is a feature!

So... Final Fantasy: A Black Desert Reborn? :p

When I think "hardcore", I tend to think more of changes that add proper difficulty instead of just making things tedious or depriving the player of fundamental gameplay aspects.

IE, make all avoidable AoEs do five to ten times as much damage to stress to new players that they shouldn't be standing in the orange.

I love how for some players "hardcore" equal to tedious mechanics instead of any really challenging (and fun) content.

Like I already wrote in a similar thread last week,when i have the urge to eat drink and sleep then

I WANT TO POOP too.

If you make it real life,or hardcore like you said,then go all in and not take just some things.Like mentioned above,if we eat and drink we should need to poop too..next step then will be:is the poo affected by the food?bad food=diarrhea?
What if a char needs to poop in a dungeon?
You mentioned a lot of walking too..will we get stronger by walking a lot?Our feet should at least..and our shoes should break faster on the other side.
So much things..

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

Hardcore mode, or tedious mode?

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Tedious is unknown to everyone in FFXIV. The moment they start fate grinding, spamming PotD, or do a relic quest they are immune.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

All this would make this less a "game" and more a chore of a "reality" simulator.

Not bad ideas if going for some kind of extreme realism, but not very good ones either.

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The what-ifs are heavily inspired by Fallout New Vegas's "Hardcore" mode, and Fallout 4's Survival difficulty.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

All this would make this less a "game" and more a chore of a "reality" simulator..

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The game being a chore, is already in there. However, yeah those things Op mentioned is really hardcore xD.

Edit: When I think ''hardcore'' I think more strategy gameplay than dancing.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I love how for some players "hardcore" equal to tedious mechanics instead of any really challenging (and fun) content.

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Think of it like this:
When you put a piece on the grind stone, the soft layers quickly erode until only the hard core remains.

Few ideas:

* Upon failing a FATE involving a city or an specific area, said zone is now taken/destroyed. No quest giver/vendor NPCs are present until a new event gives you the chance to re-take/rebuild that territory.
* Depending on weather, it now afects your stamina and energy. Rain increases your TP consumption by 20%, heat slowly drains it, stuff like magic weather (umbral wind) affects caster jobs instead, lightning storms have a chance to hit the player and kill them. Etc.
* When your character dies, it dies. You need to create another one.
* As your gear's durability drops, so does your stats. 50% durability = 50% of all its stats.
* Housing now requires monthly taxes or the house is taken by the government.
* The possibility of surviving a long fall is now removed. You'll die inmediatly as you land the floor, no matter if you had aggro or not. The falling distance has been reduced.
* Retainers can now die in ventures.
* Open world PvP is now enabled.
* Overworld monsters can now level up when they kill a playable character. They also do it overtime if not killed.
* Teleport Aetherytes are now removed from the game.
* Mounts now can also be killed by monsters/players/long falls, losing them until you revive them with phoenix down, or any resurrection spell.

some changes to point 5:
self repair will repair the gear to 100%. Repair NPC will cost 200 gil for every repaired %
Dark matter vanish from the game, instead various mats will be used for repair (like walnut wood to repair stuff made of walnut wood)


To create a "hardcore" server some mechanics have just to change how they were in 1.0 ^^
Like a failed materia meld don't just destroy the materia, but also the whole gear

Watch how these servers eventually will get shut down because no one cba playing on them.

In general, I'd play on this server if it existed. I'd hardly call it "hard-core" though; besides your 11th point, none of this is all that dissimilar from FFXI. We're babied far too much by FFXIV's overly-convenient mechanics, so far as I'm concerned. I'd add in three other requests for a hard-core mode, though, which tie back to FFXI as well:

• Monsters that are at your level should truly feel like the "even matches" that they are. Buff monster stats until this is the case.
• There should be a significant XP penalty for death, including the potential for down-leveling.
• Abilities and spells should have to be earned in some fashion. Bring back the "weapon skill" and "spell skill" attributes, and tie ability gain to those instead of raw character level.

PS - My post isn't intended to be sarcastic. I would vastly prefer to play a version of FFXIV that takes away the guard-rails, so to speak. A version that demands players at least pay attention to what they're doing, and punishes them if they don't. FFXI, pre-Abyssea, generally nailed this feeling for me; demanding of me, but not so frustrating that I wanted to pitch my monitor across the room very often. Bringing these mechanics back into a server or three for FFXIV would do more to ensure my continued subscription than anything I've seen planned for Stormblood thus far.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

So... Final Fantasy: A Black Desert Reborn? :p

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That would be the best game ever honestly :) I wouldn't have to pick between the two anymore!

Ummmm, no. The only hardcore thing about this all is it would be really hardcore to resist the urge to uninstall the game. Adding levels of tediousness does not make something hardcore. It just saps any fun away. That and I'd rather see them spend the money and time developing things the game needs. Not waste it on a special rules set server that is more or less going to be a ghost town.

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Originally Posted by Ashett

2. Items on the marketboard can only be bought and sold at the same city of the retainer that it is assigned too.
Exa: If you made a retainer in U'ldah; people will have to use the marketboard in U'ldah in order to find your goods.

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This was a thing in 1.0 at the start, but why stop there? Also make it so there was no market board again and we all would have to manually go through each ward and click on each of the retainers hoping to find what we were looking for. Did that in 1.0 and trust me when I say it was NOT fun.

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Originally Posted by Ashett

standing in fresh water, or standing anywhere in Coerthas.

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But standing in fresh water for too long would mean an increasing 2% chance per Eorzean hour of a giant level 99 shark picking up on your scent and insta killing you. Spending lots of time in Coerthas and Thanalan too would be near fatal too. Pesky hypothermia, heat stroke, frostbite debuffs (modifiers to increase the allowed time in these zones included on special clothing like warm fuzzy coats) Getting five stacks of each means your character collapses and for one real life week anytime you log in all you see is a never ending unskippable cut scene of your character sitting in one of the healing pools at Bronze Lake with a catatonic facial expression while attendants try to get your character to drink that special mulled wine with a 5% chance at the start to actually drink it, 95% chance the wine dribbles out their mouths and down their shirt. The chance to drink the wine increases as the week nears its end.

It's not about rl being miserable. I wouldn't change my RL for all the tea in China. HOWEVER, if I have to do the same chores in a game that I do in RL I may as well just unsub and do them irl where there is a tangible reward.

I tried to play "The Word" but now I'm stuck there and cannot logoff. Any help appreciated.

Too casual, no permadeath.

(Seriously most of these are more annoying, trivial things and not really something I'd expect under "hardcore" and more like "realistic.")

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Originally Posted by bass9020

That would be the best game ever honestly :) I wouldn't have to pick between the two anymore!

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But all Black Desert amounts to is a 3D Maple Story.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

All this would make this less a "game" and more a chore of a "reality" simulator.

Not bad ideas if going for some kind of extreme realism, but not very good ones either.

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Yeah, I came into the topic expecting something about harder gameplay and instead saw a list of QoL changes to make the game more of a pain in the butt to play. It would be extremely annoying and boring.

All these ideas are fail... just bring back a true Game over. That's all you need. What is a true game over? Play any sega/Nes game with no continues and watch what happens.

People are taking this thread way too serious holy crap lol. Everyones no effort game won't be changing anytime soon!

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I love how for some players "hardcore" equal to tedious mechanics instead of any really challenging (and fun) content.

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And what do you think is "fun" content other than dodging aoes and doing organized memory dances on bosses to win?

This is pretty clever. It gives players a new way to experience the game, especially for those who think the midcore content is too easy. Savage mode is made for 8 players, and is strictly singles to one type of play style, raiding (which means trial and error and memory game)
Adding mechanics that give your character things to worry about could be more engaging. The hunger meter effecting my gear would be weird though. Debuffs could give more visual effects like actually being blinded with stuff covering the screen, your character suddenly bawling when misery is casted on you etc. Enemy mobs can no longer have follow limits as they can follow you anywhere in a zone (besides towns and other zones).

It'd have to be generally different than what we already have. Making enemies hit harder is a very poormans version of effort for a "hardcore" mode. More hp is just the same. It just takes longer and THAT is tedious. If enemies hit harder then that just means I need a tank or healer with me 24/7 and thats a pain in itself, I won't be able to get anywhere regardless of how much food I have stocked! (also it'd be funny if inventory items could drop upon death lol, actually make that thing. Yeshhhh)

To make it fair if enemies get a damage boost, don't force players to work together but make it funner or rewarding like removing potion cool downs so players can heal themselves faster in the over world since things are harsher.

Also if your adding a tired effect, allow players to counter it by drinking or eating caffeinated items like coffee and stuff. Or give a rest feature in towns so players can re-gain some points when traveling long distances. Dare me to say, if they remove DUTY FINDER (Gasping and expletives ensues) Shut your mouths! this is for fun! XD We'd be walking allll the way to those dungeons.

And that's all I got on this. Fun brainstorming X)

I already tried (nothing new or innovative) all that stuff in older MMO's/private Neverwinter Nights servers, it's add nothing to the experience or increase the challenge and is just boring time sinks.

Food/Water? Overstock your inventory and get annoyed with those "you are angry/tired" because time passes faster than in real life (RPers would love this one), also is especially pointless because Eorzea is not an apocalyptic world where resources are limited.

Traveling? Nothing more fun than wait 15m (or more, can't remember) at the starport! Hell, I remember needing like 30m or so if I were unlucky at SWG because of this (god bless JTLS expansion). Tell, how enhanced is going to be your experience by adding up to an hour of waiting doing nothing?

XP Lost? Well, you better have with you a different set if you lose a level while doing a raid.

Item Lost or item decay? This one work for a sandbox where all items are made by crafter and, with a few exceptions, are easy to craft\cheap. For this game is GL HF.

For a single player that stuff it's ok because you will be playing that game an X amount of time (and even in those games after a certain point of character grow those mechanics become a minor concern), but after a played time of a month... nope. Also there it makes sense, like buying enough supplies for a big travel, having the proper gear for certain weathers because again is one or two times only.

Anyway OP if you really want to experience a true "hardcore" mode I recommend you to try old games like "Realm of Arkania", Fallout 4 survival mode is a joke compare to that.

And what's it's fun for me? The more complex and interactive an encounter is the better (however FFXIV is a point and click game with all their limitations). Other than that will be an old sandbox MMO with a lot of social interaction but those days are long gone and I don't enjoy open PvP world at this point.

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And what do you think is "fun" content other than dodging aoes and doing organized memory dances on bosses to win?

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Some people get a kick out of playing Simon Says. A relatively simple game that many seem to fail at.

This reminds me of when people wanted legacy servers for EverQuest a few expansions down the line and then nobody played on them. None of this is really hardcore. It's just tedious. And the reason MMOs don't use these tactics any longer is because developers finally figured out that tedium doesn't equate to challenge.