why do i have to be on level 60 class to get level 60 currency rewards

this way i could be leveling my paladin while acquiring tomes for my main classes and still filling the role parties need. isn't it enough that I have a class at 60?

i could be doing my 50 and leveling roulette as Paladin and acquiring my tomes while leveling up but nah if i play PLD I lose the tomes and get an underwhelming xp boost that pales in comparison to tomes

Because rewards are different and are based on level of that particular class. Same reason you can't accept rewards for beast man quest as a different class, only the same class taken. Be pointless to receive lvl 60 rewards for roulette if your using a level 50.

how would it be pointless?

you'd be leveling another class and acquiring tomes you need for your level 60 job at the same time. doesn't sound pointless to me.

You are dissatisfied by this, so am I, but I understand SE logic here. The desire is have people play as many roulettes/dungeons/trials/raids/etc... as possible. Thus, if you received both the Tomb and Levelling rewards, you need to run X less runs to get your stuff done for the week.
They have done a very decent job in maintaining relevancy for old content with the roulettes, quests turnin, Relic, etc.... The reward separation, just continues along those lines.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

you'd be leveling another class and acquiring tomes you need for your level 60 job at the same time. doesn't sound pointless to me.

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Which is exactly why you don't get tomes while on a non-60 job. In this case, the tomes act as a compensation reward, since you're not getting any experience from that run, as the job you're on would already be at 60.

The purpose of the roulette tomestone rewards is to get people who no longer benefit from particular content to continue to do the content anyway. People who still receive level-appropriate benefits from the content are already getting something out of it.

Well you will have to make a decision, do you want exp for your level 50 or do you want tomes for your level 60. Both doesn't work and I don't think it should be that way, it's just like regular life, you can't just have it all. However I think SE could implement a little box that asks you before you queue, do you want exp or tomes, after you made your decision you could be running it as your level 50 and get the tomes if you chose to do that, but can't get at the end the full or any exp. That would give us the option to run certain dungeons with different jobs, for example when working on a different relic and still getting the tomes without having to run these dungeons more than once.

They've already announced this being changed. According to them, all previous gear will be available with Poetics. And i think there's more change than just this but I can't find the source for it.

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Originally Posted by xNewbx

They've already announced this being changed. According to them, all previous gear will be available with Poetics. And i think there's more change than just this but I can't find the source for it.

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Here's Bayohne's translation of the PLL that mentions this.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Q13: For the new jobs, will there be new weapons added from existing content such as primal fights and Allagan tomestone equipment?

A13: Allagan tomestones of esoterics/lore/scripture gear will also include the new jobs’ gear. Furthermore, starting in 4.0, all previous tomestone exchangeable gear will be available via poetics.

The Ironworks gear obtained from poetics will be exchangeable, and equipment for the new jobs will be available in level 60+ content.

Primal fight rewards from Ifrit through Zurvan will all be available, including those with additional visual effects. As for raids, gear from Gordias/Midas/Alexander are all prepared. Coil and Anima weapons will not be added.

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Not sure if by "all previous tomestone gear" they really mean "all" -- that's kind of a big list: darklight, AF1+1, the 100 gear that I'm not sure has a collective designation, ironworks, doman, AF2, eikon, shire.

Wow why exactly will there still be poetics? lol That is like ancient currency
As for the topic at hand everyone above has clarified the reasons SE did this

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Originally Posted by Maero

Wow why exactly will there still be poetics? lol That is like ancient currency
As for the topic at hand everyone above has clarified the reasons SE did this

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Ancient currency for ancient stuff. People will still want the old level 50 gear - for leveling and glamour if nothing else - so there need to be some way to purchase it. So why not use an existing currency?
I do wonder if poetics will really be used for the level 60 gear as well, or if that will be bought with tomestones of scripture(?) with some new currency introduced for the level 70 stuff?

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Wow why exactly will there still be poetics? lol That is like ancient currency
As for the topic at hand everyone above has clarified the reasons SE did this

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Poetics still remain in the game so that players who only have the base ARR game registered to their service account can purchase ARR endgame tomestone gear. Just like how Scripture will remain so that those who only have ARR + HW can purchase endgame tomestone gear. There are still players who only have the base game registered to their account, so if all tomestone gear, new and old, were only available for purchase using the game's current endgame tomestone currency, then those who haven't purchased expansions wouldn't be able to get any gear past what the MSQ hands them, which wouldn't be considered fair.

Plus, the developers still add items to older tomestone currency to give players reasons to farm for them. A good example would be the pre-nerfed 200-210 Anima step. Before you could only buy unidentifiable seeds and bones with 680 Poetics; you couldn't buy them with Esoterics, and Lore didn't exist in the game at that point. So either you grind out Allied Seals (1,000 per), run Gordias Normal for 10 tokens, farm ARR beast tribes currency, or you could farm for Poetics, which was probably the fastest/easiest way considering roulettes give you a decent amount alone. (Gordias was probably also easy for A1N and A2N.) While the currency may be considered "ancient," it's not like it's completely useless.

With regards to the topic at hand, being able to earn Scripture while running Leveling or 50 Roulette as a sub-60 job would be considered double-dipping. You can have experience, or you can have tomes, but you can't have both. The tomes exist as a compensation for max-level characters to run roulettes/older content. If you could get both endgame currency and experience from running on sub-60 jobs, there would be no reason to go back and run them as frequently once you hit cap, since you would have geared up early.

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Just like how Scripture will remain so that those who only have ARR + HW can purchase endgame tomestone gear.

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Actually, if the previous live letter is any indication (specifically the part quoted by Rongway on page 1), then Scripture might not remain with the release of Stormblood, and the gear bought with it will be moved to the Poetics vendor.

Unless "Furthermore, starting in 4.0, all previous tomestone exchangeable gear will be available via poetics." is talking about all the gear previous to scripture tomestones.

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Actually, if the previous live letter is any indication (specifically the part quoted by Rongway on page 1), then Scripture might not remain with the release of Stormblood, and the gear bought with it will be moved to the Poetics vendor.

Unless "Furthermore, starting in 4.0, all previous tomestone exchangeable gear will be available via poetics." is talking about all the gear previous to scripture tomestones.

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I think with regards to their comment about previous Tomestone gear, that it may be referring to making, for example, Law, Esoteric, Lore and Scripture gear all available for purchase with Scripture Tomestones (as opposed to Centurio Seals), and ARR tomestone gear (can't really count i90 gear since the job quests hand it to you now, but maybe Darklight--even though you can get it in dungeons--and Poetics gear) all available via Poetics? I feel like that would make more sense based on what I said about how some players don't have expansions registered to their account, and only own the base game. While they wouldn't be able to equip level 60 gear, I feel like it wouldn't make much sense to allow it to be purchased with Poetics as opposed to Scripture. You know?

It would be like "Yeah, so I know that you can't level past 50, but check out this level 60 gear you could buy for the small price of xxx Allagan Tomestones of Poetics! Can't use it though, unless you buy Heavensward, but lookie! Also, check out this sick Dark Knight AF gear? Nice, right! You can buy it, but you can't use it unless you buy the expansion!!" (Of course, that could also be a good marketing tactic on SE's part. /think)

I could be wrong, but I'm basing my speculation of Scripture staying around just on how the devs kept Poetics after ARR ended and HW was released. I tend to take the things they say with a grain of salt until I actually see them implemented in game. ^^;;

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Originally Posted by Maero

Wow why exactly will there still be poetics? lol That is like ancient currency
As for the topic at hand everyone above has clarified the reasons SE did this

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I thought this was pretty obvious. To have an option to buy high level gear for level 50 jobs.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I thought this was pretty obvious. To have an option to buy high level gear for level 50 jobs.

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Yeah. I won't lie, I'm farming poetics to get the Ironworks gear for all my 50 and sub-50 jobs these days. The same goes for Lore for my other lvl 60 job. The thought of having to grind out the HW dungeons (again...again....again...again) to level up gear makes me want to puke. Having a single currency that can be earned doing a good mix of activities to purchase "previous" gear would be nice for when I get bored and decide to level the rest of my DoW and DoM classes. Plus...teh glamorz....

All i was getting at is there was newer currency then Poetics but in turn they kept Poetics and removed the other currency
It's not a huge deal just figured by now that a newer currency could be used for older gear as Stormblood will introduce new currency

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All i was getting at is there was newer currency then Poetics but in turn they kept Poetics and removed the other currency
It's not a huge deal just figured by now that a newer currency could be used for older gear as Stormblood will introduce new currency

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Well, it kind of goes back to what I was saying before. If they introduced a new currency that was used to buy all newer and older gear, and the new currency was locked behind the expansion, those who don't own the expansion wouldn't be able to buy older gear with the new currency. Hence why they kept Poetics, so that those who only have ARR can earn their Poetics and buy gear with it.