HELP! Lost FC leadership and House furnishing about to disappear! Desperate

Hello everyone.

I have no idea where to post this and I'm kind of desperate right now for a solution...

So, I was FC leader of a small FC with mostly real life friends, and the real life friends of an online friend of mine.

Everyone left about a year ago... So I kept the fc on an alt and left to a more active on on my main.
Anyway, I heard Stormblood would bring a new housing zone. I thought this was a good time to upgrade houses. So I contacted my old second in command who has real life contacts with most of the other members and told him that we'd be destroying the house to keep the money for upgrading and buy things when the expansion comes.

The thing is... The house was destroyed 28 days ago and when I tried to go fetch the items and the money on my alt, I got a message saying that I did needed to check I had house buying/demolishing permissions to get them...

At that very specific moment I realized that I was not fc leader anymore... The one person in the FC that I do not specifically remember who they are is now FC leader... And has not been on for 14 days:

FC Logs show that the house was destroyed 28 days ago and the leadership was transferred 31d ago

So at best... if the person doesn't come back before the 35 of the house demolition... Everything will be lost?
A lot of those things were birthday gift from friends... While other things are events furnishing that I will not be able to get anymore...

I contacted the GMs several times in the past 2 weeks... But all I get is the whole "you lost your FC because you were inactive, nothing we can do to give it back to you" automatic response...

Isn't there anything I can do? Is everything lost for real?? Please does anyone have a solution??


td;dr: Was inactive too long, someone equally inactive with whom I don't have out of game contact is now FC leader. Our FC house is destroyed, and if they don't come back, All the items will be lost forever. I don't care losing my FC... But I don't want to lose the things that were given to me as gifts... -panicking lala-

Unfortunately because of the systems in place and the restrictions the GMs have, there's nothing you can do unfortunately unless you can find someone who can contact him outside of the game and say "Hey, we need this dealing with before it's lost for good"

Sadly, as much as it sucks, yes everything is going to be lost. Unless that person who was offline for 14 days magically comes back, everything is going to be lost. Your best chance of hope is to try anything you can to get in touch with that person by any means necessary.

It's not an issue with the game so doesn't really belong on the forums. There are systems and rules in place. You play by them. They don't bend to your specific needs.

As others have said, you're out of luck unless the other person gets back in time. The automatic fc leadership transfer is also 35 days so by the time it hands anyone else the leader role, the npc will have sent the items and gil to the void.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

It's not an issue with the game so doesn't really belong on the forums. There are systems and rules in place. You play by them. They don't bend to your specific needs.

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You can think what you want my purpose was not to "bend the rules to my specific needs" but merely to ask "if the rules allowed such a thing"
As for it not being an issue with the game, I would argue that it would be nice if the game's non issue was extended to more than 35 days as leadership transfer and house demolition don't even match together. I am mostly stating my opinion and in no way complain about the game's system as I was expecting such a thing to happen.

Thank you everyone for your reply. Was greatly appreciated. Turns out. I only needed to hope for good thing to happen... I had been searching for a week and a half, but I finally found someone who actually has real life contact with the person... So chances are my issue will be resolved by itself! <3

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Originally Posted by ManaEterna

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For future reference. If you plan to ever semi-retire an alt like this again, I highly recommend storing any important items on retainers. If space happens to be an issue, you can make another alt and not have to buy extra retainers. Don't think it's hard making characters on Diabolos. Hope it works out for you all the same. :)

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Originally Posted by ManaEterna

Hello everyone.

I have no idea where to post this and I'm kind of desperate right now for a solution...

So, I was FC leader of a small FC with mostly real life friends, and the real life friends of an online friend of mine.

Everyone left about a year ago... So I kept the fc on an alt and left to a more active on on my main.
Anyway, I heard Stormblood would bring a new housing zone. I thought this was a good time to upgrade houses. So I contacted my old second in command who has real life contacts with most of the other members and told him that we'd be destroying the house to keep the money for upgrading and buy things when the expansion comes.

The thing is... The house was destroyed 28 days ago and when I tried to go fetch the items and the money on my alt, I got a message saying that I did needed to check I had house buying/demolishing permissions to get them...

At that very specific moment I realized that I was not fc leader anymore... The one person in the FC that I do not specifically remember who they are is now FC leader... And has not been on for 14 days:

FC Logs show that the house was destroyed 28 days ago and the leadership was transferred 31d ago

So at best... if the person doesn't come back before the 35 of the house demolition... Everything will be lost?
A lot of those things were birthday gift from friends... While other things are events furnishing that I will not be able to get anymore...

I contacted the GMs several times in the past 2 weeks... But all I get is the whole "you lost your FC because you were inactive, nothing we can do to give it back to you" automatic response...

Isn't there anything I can do? Is everything lost for real?? Please does anyone have a solution??


td;dr: Was inactive too long, someone equally inactive with whom I don't have out of game contact is now FC leader. Our FC house is destroyed, and if they don't come back, All the items will be lost forever. I don't care losing my FC... But I don't want to lose the things that were given to me as gifts... -panicking lala-

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Why do people go right for the GM's when they lose the the FC leader? Its working as intended. Move on and count your loses. You are not entitled to the 1s and 0's because you were afk for god knows who long (no, despite popular belief you are STILL not entitled under the current model because you were paying for a sub btw) Seems to be a common misconception around here.

Till the next thread!~

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

Why do people go right for the GM's when they lose the the FC leader? Its working as intended.

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People seem to think GMs are some kind of super hero but in reality there's no difference than the guy you call up about your phone.

I wonder, where you were when you got the email telling your housing were to disappear? You overlooked too much things to complain now. Just call it a day.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

It's not an issue with the game so doesn't really belong on the forums. There are systems and rules in place. You play by them. They don't bend to your specific needs.

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lol there is always that one person in every thread that just needs to be that guy...

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

lol there is always that one person in every thread that just needs to be that guy...

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Is there something wrong with what he said? You are not a special snowflake, neither is the OP. You are not entitled to anything besides being able to log into the game. I see nothing wrong with what he posted, because guess what? It's 100% truth.

I'm curious if there are emails that go out to inform FC leaders that their FC ownership is going to be transfered, similar to the email warnings that go out if your personal house is going to be demolished.

If not there needs to be, if there is then yeah, it's your own fault for not logging in sooner.

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

Is there something wrong with what he said? You are not a special snowflake, neither is the OP. You are not entitled to anything besides being able to log into the game. I see nothing wrong with what he posted, because guess what? It's 100% truth.

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and they usually travel in packs...

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

and they usually travel in packs...

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Sorry you can't handle the truth. I'm not hear to get popularity, only to tell the truth.

If he wanted to open a topic with the discussion being "what can we do about this going forward" then I would be 100% ok with a open and honest conversation about this. Instead, he wants to cry because he was afk for an unknown period amount of time (over 35 days at the minimum)

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Originally Posted by Yeol

If it is an FC estate, as long as FC members are entering it, you wont lose it.
Meme rs entering the estate will reset the timer.

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Sigh.. another person with not 100% of the information

1) To prevent FC leader from passing, you, yourself have to log in every 34 days at minimum. (Which is stupid, if you can't play the game, give lead to someone else >.>. that you feel would be a good person to "take up the mantle" if you will.)

2) To prevent the housing demo, you or your FC members have to walk in the house at least once every 44 days.

If neither of the above 2 happen, you don't deserve the house, plain and simple (under the current rules)

Players without houses wanted the ability to get houses from overly-afk players (because they don't "deserve" it), and the system that does this is a result of that.

Thank the playerbase!

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Originally Posted by ManaEterna

Anyway, I heard Stormblood would bring a new housing zone. I thought this was a good time to upgrade houses. So I contacted my old second in command who has real life contacts with most of the other members and told him that we'd be destroying the house to keep the money for upgrading and buy things when the expansion comes.

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I think some people are missing this part. OP intentionally let the house go to make use of the auto-demo in order to get some gil back to go towards the upcoming expansion. The issue they had wasn't that the house got blown up, it was that the leader got switched on'em for inactivity and so all the house explosion goodies got left to someone else, whom hadn't logged in for nearly the entire grace period given to retrieve said goodies (35 days after demo).

If the player who has been out for 14 days doesn't come back, then in another 20-21 days it will do another automated leadership transfer, presumably back to your alt, assuming you login every day to maintai activity. It might not get you back the house and contents, but IIRC the company Chest is stored differently so although the house and contents is gone the chest isn't. If the game promotes you back to leader, you at least get the FC and Chest back.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I think some people are missing this part. OP intentionally let the house go to make use of the auto-demo in order to get some gil back to go towards the upcoming expansion. The issue they had wasn't that the house got blown up, it was that the leader got switched on'em for inactivity and so all the house explosion goodies got left to someone else, whom hadn't logged in for nearly the entire grace period given to retrieve said goodies (35 days after demo).

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Yes, so they were deliberately attempting to use the system to reclaim something but that same system bit them in the butt. You live by the sword and you die by the sword...

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

Is there something wrong with what he said? You are not a special snowflake, neither is the OP. You are not entitled to anything besides being able to log into the game. I see nothing wrong with what he posted, because guess what? It's 100% truth.

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"The truth" isn't a valid excuse to be mean, OP worded his post very neutral, just wondering if there's anything they can do, they didn't demand anything from SE or from the community like a special snowflake would, they are just consulting if there's any option they overlooked, that doesn't warrant the harsh reply you and the other person gave.

It really isn't that hard to treat other people like human beings.

OP, can you perhaps promote yourself to a rank that has the required permissions (or is able to edit permissions and grant them)?
Depending on how your FC was set up this is something worth exploring or may be a dead end, alas it's the only thing I can suggest to help you out.

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

Why do people go right for the GM's when they lose the the FC leader? Its working as intended. Move on and count your loses. You are not entitled to the 1s and 0's because you were afk for god knows who long (no, despite popular belief you are STILL not entitled under the current model because you were paying for a sub btw) Seems to be a common misconception around here.

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Well, the OP is clearly an active player. The same cannot be said for the "current" FC leader... IMO, the GMs should be able to look at activity, notice the deadlines of demolishment coming up, and do something to mitigate. No reason to be unnecessarily vindictive toward a person's plight.

I've said this before, I can't show sympathy for players that should KNOW how the system works, especially when they are at the top of the FC. The game isn't going to forgive you because of your ignorance. They do say ignorance is bliss though.

Also, I wasn't being vindictive towards the person. When I respond to something, I am telling them the cold hard truth. Not going to sit here and tell them everything is sunny and the clouds are singing to dance around the truth. I like to go the direct route, because it seems to be really hard for a majority to tell someone the cold hard truth, even if it will hurt their feelings. My impression was he wanted a direct answer to his question whether there is anything he can do about his situation; answer is no. Time to move on.

What I'm most curious about is if these items were so meaningful to you, why weren't they stored away originally when you made a new character? I'm not unsympathetic to your situation, but you already gave em up when you decided to switch characters. Plus, what could they be that couldn't easily be replaced, sentimental value notwithstanding.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

It really isn't that hard to treat other people like human beings.

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How do I make this my permanent post tag?

I love the smell of "FFXIV's super-friendly, welcoming community" in the morning.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I love the smell of "FFXIV's super-friendly, welcoming community" in the morning.

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I know right? OP isn't acting entitled, they are searching for a solution and being met with hostility. Dear God I love this community.

I love people not giving him direct honest answers (or just simply posting here and giving no feedback) to his question, which can be answered with one word. No. Here is a little longer response for you. No, there is nothing he can do about his situation (unless you somehow manage to talk to them and work out something with them, unlikely, but possible), sorry it happened to you, but its time to move on and count your loses.

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

I've said this before, I can't show sympathy for players that should KNOW how the system works, especially when they are at the top of the FC. The game isn't going to forgive you because of your ignorance. They do say ignorance is bliss though.

Also, I wasn't being vindictive towards the person. When I respond to something, I am telling them the cold hard truth. Not going to sit here and tell them everything is sunny and the clouds are singing to dance around the truth. I like to go the direct route, because it seems to be really hard for a majority to tell someone the cold hard truth, even if it will hurt their feelings. My impression was he wanted a direct answer to his question whether there is anything he can do about his situation; answer is no. Time to move on.

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You can tell the truth and be honest without treating the other person like garbage, "being brutally honest" is almost always used as an excuse to be hostile with other people. Your last post is much better worded, but your first post is extremely condescending.

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

Also, I wasn't being vindictive towards the person. When I respond to something, I am telling them the cold hard truth.

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Don't hide behind your banner of "truth". You're being unnecessarily rude over a game. This isn't something serious like a bill deadline or whatever. This is a person's time investment and memories in a video game. It doesn't need "cold hard truth" - it needs empathy and understanding.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Don't hide behind your banner of "truth". You're being unnecessarily rude over a game. This isn't something serious like a bill deadline or whatever. This is a person's time investment and memories in a video game. It doesn't need "cold hard truth" - it needs empathy and understanding.

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You're telling me I need to show more "empathy" and "understanding" for telling the truth? Really? Go find another thread (or a safe space) to troll. He acted like this was a time sensitive matter, and I gave him the most direct answer that is most likely to happen without peddling around.

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

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No you don't need to show more empathy and understanding, it would just make you look less like an asshole. Though I suspect you don't care about that. Several others managed to tell the OP exactly the same thing you did without acting condescending.

Edit: There's a time to be condescending and a time to be nice. This wasn't one of the times to be condescending.

You have to walk into the house to reset the demo timer so you should have just logged in and not gone in the house to keep FC leadership.

While the OP should have known how the system works, and should have taken steps to prevent losing the house/furnishings if they had value to them, the system itself is awful and shouldn't exist in the first place. We were told, explicitly, that we would not have to log in to keep our houses, and SE reneged on that. SE made a series of poor decisions in their housing implementation, and the players continue to pay the price for it.