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So, we all know that payments are resuming in January. Curiously, I've noticed that over the course of the past week or two the general tone on these forums has been extremely harsh. Extreme amounts of back and forth bickering, frequent player attacks, a low tide of respect for other people's opinions, and so on.

Is it because payments are resuming and many players will be losing forum access that this is happening? And will the return of subscription payments mean a nicer, friendlier forum atmosphere for all who are staying? I can only hope so.

Am I the only person who thinks that the resumption (is that a word?) of the subscription service can only mean good things for the health of these forums?

Only time will tell. There are trolls that are not paying, and there are trolls that are paying.

You aren't the only one. There's a lot of people that will be caught in the crossfire.

Some good people who have playmates who will be leaving once subscription kicks in. And thus, the good person moves on with their friends.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

So, we all know that payments are resuming in January. Curiously, I've noticed that over the course of the past week or two the general tone on these forums has been extremely harsh. Extreme amounts of back and forth bickering, frequent player attacks, a low tide of respect for other people's opinions, and so on.

Is it because payments are resuming and many players will be losing forum access that this is happening? And will the return of subscription payments mean a nicer, friendlier forum atmosphere for all who are staying? I can only hope so.

Am I the only person who thinks that the resumption (is that a word?) of the subscription service can only mean good things for the health of these forums?

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most of the annoying trolls are leaving. (assuming they're not just talking out of their ass)

the bickering has been continuing to escalate because they were allowed to go on for too long. it started where one could say for another poster to shoot himself and nothing was said to them and a person telling them to back off and not be a jerk and them get tos violated.

the problem is the rules haven't been enforced correctly since the forums started so people became more and more offensive. that's my personal take on it.

i got a ban for a 3days just for making a thread for my 1000's post when it hit.... lmao. they seriously are retarded when it comes to what they removed and who they banned or punished. but yeah it wasn't a usefull thread at all, but people being able to threaten people is lol, and they chose when and how curse words get removed depending on who says it and if it positive or not.

but sorry to say but once the pay to pay starts even when they are all gone, all that is left are people who will destroy what is left of this game. that is all i am gonna say bout that. we will see how the game turns out at 2.0. the majority never posted on these forums, most people play mmo's they don't talk about them. the same group of us are on these threads to the point where everyone knows who posts and what they are about. i wouldn't be surprised that the majority of them are workers of SE to begin with. once pay to play starts everyone that is paying aren't the ones that even at 2.0 will save the game, it's the players that left and hopefully they are done at this stage with listening to the forums for input.

what i think most of you need is like your own little world to go live in. enjoy the next year if that is what your enjoyment is, empty servers and people who come to forums to throw what they learned last week in college into there posts. i'm rooting for 2.0 but you might just get a mmo that dies out 6months after 2.0 launches if they listen to most of you. and lol if i come off as rude but obviously they won't lock this thread over the one that was made in the opposite reflect.

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Originally Posted by weeble

i got a ban for a 3days just for making a thread for my 1000's post when it hit.... lmao. they seriously are retarded when it comes to what they removed and who they banned or punished. but yeah it wasn't a usefull thread at all, but people being able to threaten people is lol, and they chose when and how curse words get removed depending on who says it and if it positive or not.

but sorry to say but once the pay to pay starts even when they are all gone, all that is left are people who will destroy what is left of this game. that is all i am gonna say bout that. we will see how the game turns out at 2.0. the majority never posted on these forums, most people play mmo's they don't talk about them. the same group of us are on these threads to the point where everyone knows who posts and what they are about. i wouldn't be surprised that the majority of them are workers of SE to begin with. once pay to play starts everyone that is paying aren't the ones that even at 2.0 will save the game, it's the players that left and hopefully they are done at this stage with listening to the forums for input.

what i think most of you need is like your own little world to go live in. enjoy the next year if that is what your enjoyment is, empty servers and people who come to forums to throw what they learned last week in college into there posts. i'm rooting for 2.0 but you might just get a mmo that dies out 6months after 2.0 launches if they listen to most of you. and lol if i come off as rude but obviously they won't lock this thread over the one that was made in the opposite reflect.

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Originally Posted by weeble

i got a ban for a 3days just for making a thread for my 1000's post when it hit.... lmao. they seriously are retarded when it comes to what they removed and who they banned or punished. but yeah it wasn't a usefull thread at all, but people being able to threaten people is lol, and they chose when and how curse words get removed depending on who says it and if it positive or not.

but sorry to say but once the pay to pay starts even when they are all gone, all that is left are people who will destroy what is left of this game. that is all i am gonna say bout that. we will see how the game turns out at 2.0. the majority never posted on these forums, most people play mmo's they don't talk about them. the same group of us are on these threads to the point where everyone knows who posts and what they are about. i wouldn't be surprised that the majority of them are workers of SE to begin with. once pay to play starts everyone that is paying aren't the ones that even at 2.0 will save the game, it's the players that left and hopefully they are done at this stage with listening to the forums for input.

what i think most of you need is like your own little world to go live in. enjoy the next year if that is what your enjoyment is, empty servers and people who come to forums to throw what they learned last week in college into there posts. i'm rooting for 2.0 but you might just get a mmo that dies out 6months after 2.0 launches if they listen to most of you. and lol if i come off as rude but obviously they won't lock this thread over the one that was made in the opposite reflect.

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no offense but, who peed in your cheerios this morning?

we got over a year for free and people knew this was not a F2P game and now we have to pay there mad and saying how bad the game is but, why do they have alot of lv50's and and are on all time?
cuz they like the game and dont wanna pay now there just trolling cuz there kids with no money or grown and and have no bank account.

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Originally Posted by indira

we got over a year for free and people knew this was not a F2P game and now we have to pay there mad and saying how bad the game is but, why do they have alot of lv50's and and are on all time?
cuz they like the game and dont wanna pay now there just trolling cuz there kids with no money or grown and and have no bank account.

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^---this /10

Idk; could be a few things

1) They know soon enough they will no longer have a voice or place to troll here due to payment so they're getting in their last few blows before they are cut off

2) Some people who have stood by SE are becoming distraught at the pace and direction the game is taking and due to payments, are really starting to let loose their tongues because they were "willing" at one time to let people talk, assuming SE would never do the ridiculous things they (the "other MMO" crowd) wanted in XIV but yet, somehow, SE is putting that crap in anyway and it's ruining the game. This in turn almost forces the hand of die hard FF MMO players into, "Do I stay and HOPE to the gods SE stops doing this stupid crap and actually works on what is wrong with this game while giving us something to play as well and I pay" OR Troll troll troll bitch whine complain QQ scream cuss QQ some more; actually make 1 valid point, troll troll etcetera.

3) The player(s) are bored. Personally, it use to be fun coming in here and reading the obligatory QQ post and comment or read an actual valid post. Now, it's more like the ones who had actual good ideas for this game have gone, for whatever reason that may be and all that is the majority and left here to post are the ones who imho, wanted nothing but things that really didn't matter in the game and easy mode like, "every other MMO". <--- This right here is why I think there is so much bickering. These are the people who don't know how to deal with another human being in a mature way when discussing an issue and because this seems to be the majority in the gaming world as younger and younger people have access to it, this is how the majority of forums and games will be. /sigh

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

So, we all know that payments are resuming in January. Curiously, I've noticed that over the course of the past week or two the general tone on these forums has been extremely harsh. Extreme amounts of back and forth bickering, frequent player attacks, a low tide of respect for other people's opinions, and so on.

Is it because payments are resuming and many players will be losing forum access that this is happening? And will the return of subscription payments mean a nicer, friendlier forum atmosphere for all who are staying? I can only hope so.

Am I the only person who thinks that the resumption (is that a word?) of the subscription service can only mean good things for the health of these forums?

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Yes, Dreamer, soon the Dream will be full of lollipops and gumdrops and 100% white knights.

I never did like the color white

Needless to say I've seen tons of bickering...however I am curious as to how "lively" the forums will be once subs kick in...bickering or no...

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Yes, Dreamer, soon the Dream will be full of lollipops and gumdrops and 100% white knights.

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But will it make all my wishes come true???

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

But will it make all my wishes come true???

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The ultimate question

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

The ultimate question

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i think the question is will you waste a year paying b4 u realize we are all back and the game 360 into something you hate again lol.

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Originally Posted by weeble

i think the question is will you waste a year paying b4 u realize we are all back and the game 360 into something you hate again lol.

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I thought I was on your ignore list?

huh? i don't bl people :)

think you mean the op and i am not he.

Some people are apparently very bored and haven't yet figured out how to vote with their wallets...

The forums have been a haven of fail for awhile, and the game actually has some things to do now (though needs more long-term goals for players to work towards... aside from le "achievements"). If a few trolls are lost in the proces, they will be missed.

When SE gets the payment options right some people will shut up, or will that get sorted in 2.0 ;)

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

So, we all know that payments are resuming in January. Curiously, I've noticed that over the course of the past week or two the general tone on these forums has been extremely harsh. Extreme amounts of back and forth bickering, frequent player attacks, a low tide of respect for other people's opinions, and so on.

Is it because payments are resuming and many players will be losing forum access that this is happening? And will the return of subscription payments mean a nicer, friendlier forum atmosphere for all who are staying? I can only hope so.

Am I the only person who thinks that the resumption (is that a word?) of the subscription service can only mean good things for the health of these forums?

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yes for less troll, but no for friendly

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Only time will tell. There are trolls that are not paying, and there are trolls that are paying.

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wonder if they can go that low :D

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Originally Posted by weeble

huh? i don't bl people :)

think you mean the op and i am not he.

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lulz derp moment

I will be paying for the game, but I've been terse with people and had a general disregard for their opinions because that's the way I am as a person in general. I do the same thing in class, people say stupid things, irl, online, its not acceptable how anti-intellectual we've all become. I actually think a lot of the people who are terse and in some peoples opinions "flame others" are actually here to stay.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

So, we all know that payments are resuming in January. Curiously, I've noticed that over the course of the past week or two the general tone on these forums has been extremely harsh. Extreme amounts of back and forth bickering, frequent player attacks, a low tide of respect for other people's opinions, and so on.

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Last two weeks? I've been people acting like this since the forum came into existence, I don't really see it as a new thing that just happened over the last few weeks. People have always been rude, bickering and attacking others on these forums. I always remember the #1 reason in the '5 Scientific Reasons People Act Like A--holes on the Internet". -____-;

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Behavioral scientists have a keen interest in the increasing trend of so-called "webrage": the tendency for Internet commenters to spew naught but filth and bile with little to no provocation (for some handy examples, just scroll all the way down to the comments section!) But aside from vitriol-laden feedback sections wrought with verbal filth and textual disease, the scientists are also pointing to the rise of new websites, like mybiggestcomplaint.com and justrage.com, which are dedicated exclusively to the world's saddest expression of rage: Angry typing. These sites don't even pretend to have content, they're exclusively devoted to venting nerd fury for no valid reason. Although that does finally answer the age old Zen Riddle: If there were no Internet to flame on, would flamers still flame?

These researchers all differ on what, exactly, is causing this outpouring of impotent rage--some point to the anonymity of the Internet providing a consequence-free environment for a--holery, while others blame the anger on a lack of emotional cues like voice fluctuation and body language--but all can agree on one thing:

The newfound ability to distance ourselves emotionally, while simultaneously remaining connected on a global level is leading to an overall increase in both anger and stress levels across the board. So, while the Internet may have linked humanity via information, and possibly ushered in a new era of human intelligence, it's also allowed us just enough distance to constantly tell each other to go f ourselves unconscious for no apparent reason with a previously unheard of lack of empathy and remorse.

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Happens on every forum unfortunately.... welcome to the internet. /sigh

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I will be paying for the game, but I've been terse with people and had a general disregard for their opinions because that's the way I am as a person in general. I do the same thing in class, people say stupid things, irl, online, its not acceptable how anti-intellectual we've all become. I actually think a lot of the people who are terse and in some peoples opinions "flame others" are actually here to stay.

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I had to actually look up that word, 'terse'. lol Learned a new vocab word today. Thanks! (^.^)b

When people feel that they have nothing to lose, they tend to be more vocal.

Q.E.D.

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i got a ban for a 3days just for making a thread for my 1000's post when it hit.... lmao. they seriously are retarded when it comes to what they removed and who they banned or punished. but yeah it wasn't a usefull thread at all, but people being able to threaten people is lol, and they chose when and how curse words get removed depending on who says it and if it positive or not.

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^ this
I would have thought everyone that played FFXI learned back then, SE and their support staff don't care about you. They deal with problems in backwards ways. And they don't care if you like the game or not, they want their money, and they will make money riding on the Final Fantasy name brand.

In XI all the bots were allowed to do w/e they wanted and not get in trouble, banned, or even warnings.
In XI RMTs were rampant, everyone knew who the RMTs were, SE did not care.
In XI if you report a botter, you get the typical automated response "we will investigate this matter further", and if you sent in the report multiple times you were the one that got suspended. LOL@SE

Now then...flame me trolls...flame me....

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Originally Posted by weeble

i got a ban for a 3days just for making a thread for my 1000's post when it hit.... lmao. they seriously are retarded when it comes to what they removed and who they banned or punished. but yeah it wasn't a usefull thread at all, but people being able to threaten people is lol, and they chose when and how curse words get removed depending on who says it and if it positive or not.

but sorry to say but once the pay to pay starts even when they are all gone, all that is left are people who will destroy what is left of this game. that is all i am gonna say bout that. we will see how the game turns out at 2.0. the majority never posted on these forums, most people play mmo's they don't talk about them. the same group of us are on these threads to the point where everyone knows who posts and what they are about. i wouldn't be surprised that the majority of them are workers of SE to begin with. once pay to play starts everyone that is paying aren't the ones that even at 2.0 will save the game, it's the players that left and hopefully they are done at this stage with listening to the forums for input.

what i think most of you need is like your own little world to go live in. enjoy the next year if that is what your enjoyment is, empty servers and people who come to forums to throw what they learned last week in college into there posts. i'm rooting for 2.0 but you might just get a mmo that dies out 6months after 2.0 launches if they listen to most of you. and lol if i come off as rude but obviously they won't lock this thread over the one that was made in the opposite reflect.

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of course not. if you like the game you can troll.. if you don't like the game you get baned for trolling the trolls. eh who cares really game will die very soon after subs. the ones who think otherwise are pathetic people who can entertain them selfs alone. because that where they will find their self, alone with nothing to do after they complete the moogle fight as quick as the ifrit fight was completed.

This forum is actually one of the more civil forums I've ever seen. You guys don't even have any good trolls. The problem here is that every single thread turns into a myopic shitstorm. The guy who says he doesn't agree with something is immediately labeled a dissenter and a troll. The guy who defends the game is labeled a fanboy. Eventually it turns into a, "My opinion is right because it is" thread.

I hope people like that don't have a job that requires communication because they suck at it.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

This forum is actually one of the more civil forums I've ever seen. You guys don't even have any good trolls. The problem here is that every single thread turns into a myopic shitstorm. The guy who says he doesn't agree with something is immediately labeled a dissenter and a troll. The guy who defends the game is labeled a fanboy. Eventually it turns into a, "My opinion is right because it is" thread.

I hope people like that don't have a job that requires communication because they suck at it.

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u meen like a forum moderator from a fanboy site no one cares about?

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Originally Posted by Blarp

This forum is actually one of the more civil forums I've ever seen. You guys don't even have any good trolls. The problem here is that every single thread turns into a myopic shitstorm. The guy who says he doesn't agree with something is immediately labeled a dissenter and a troll. The guy who defends the game is labeled a fanboy. Eventually it turns into a, "My opinion is right because it is" thread.

I hope people like that don't have a job that requires communication because they suck at it.

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Thank you, someone had to say it; though you forgot the other type of person, the ones who brings up an off-topic personal attack for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

And will the return of subscription payments mean a nicer, friendlier forum atmosphere for all who are staying? I can only hope so.

Am I the only person who thinks that the resumption (is that a word?) of the subscription service can only mean good things for the health of these forums?

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If you think it's bad now, let me remind you that nothing concentrates the sense of entitlement quite like a paying customer.

I predict the bickering is only going to get worse because people will have the attitude that, "I'm a paying customer and the customer is always right. How dare these other customers not understand that I'm always right?" You can just feel the good times from here.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

If you think it's bad now, let me remind you that nothing concentrates the sense of entitlement quite like a paying customer.

I predict the bickering is only going to get worse because people will have the attitude that, "I'm a paying customer and the customer is always right. How dare these other customers not understand that I'm always right?" You can just feel the good times from here.

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This could happen, but a majority of the people that do play and enjoy the game don't come to the forums I've noticed.

It is crazy what the power of Money can do, eh?

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Originally Posted by LicontAshontear

^ this
In XI all the bots were allowed to do w/e they wanted and not get in trouble, banned, or even warnings.
In XI RMTs were rampant, everyone knew who the RMTs were, SE did not care.
In XI if you report a botter, you get the typical automated response "we will investigate this matter further", and if you sent in the report multiple times you were the one that got suspended. LOL@SE

Now then...flame me trolls...flame me....

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Line 1 - Bots weren't allowed to do 'whatever they want' because when SE shut down one, someone sprung up with another and kept it in a closed circle (generally BG forum users kept it among themselves, thus why there's hate for people who use that forum sometimes.) Did we also forget the Salvage ban? How people assumed SE was just playing around when they said they would keep an eye on the situation (investigate further) and people took it as a challenge and continued to do it then ended up banned along with their entire cheating linkshells? If you played the game then, it was hard to miss the fallout of "big names being banned" and how it spelled "the end of FFXI now that we're gone."

This was 2009, so yes SE does care but they're doing their best to not do what other companies practice - Installing spyware and monitoring software on your system.

Line 2 - RMT was only rampant in 2003-2005 to capitalize on Americans joining the game and the need to catch up to the Japanese players. Everyone knew who RMT were, SE sees it as people playing because RMT only did 2 things differently:
1. Follow each other in a train like fashion
2. Always anon with face > keyboard names.

Everything else, like underleveled/lack of subjob/constantly farming x mob for silk thread etc is no different from a new player to the game or a person who plays the game badly/does nothing but farm. It's not that SE didn't care (or we all would still be floating around with 100s of millions from the $1/million RMT Xmas sell because it's quite likely most of the playerbase said screw morales and bought a few million that time) it's the fact you also had people reporting normal players as RMT simply because they lost claim on an NM.

Line 3 - All companies tell you they'll investigate further and it's a common EULA that you're not supposed to spam reports after you've been contacted -- It's in EULAs for even unrelated products like web hosting.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

This could happen, but a majority of the people that do play and enjoy the game don't come to the forums I've noticed.

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Yep, it's a lot less doom and gloom on Mysidia from what I noticed.