Thank you for giving America a discount. Best Regards, Europe.

As of the correct date and time format of 2011-12-06 13:54 (1:54PM) GMT:

[SIZE="6"]€9,99 = $13.36[/SIZE]

So thank you SE for giving America a discount, I'm sure they're all very happy.

On a side note I live in Sweden and Battlefield 3 (which is made in Stockholm!) currently costs 699 SEK on the PSN store, that's $103.22.

Out before taxes, socialism, bla bla bla. If you can't do anything about the taxes, you could at least give us something, like a free character slot or something else that doesn't carry a huge cost for you.

Well lets not rub it in EU's face or anything now...... jeez lol
Oh wait, your from EU. Thats not nice rubbing it in your own face O.o its going to end up looking like this \@_@/

*sign*

that s why I ask for $ payment at the other thread but ppl who claim to live in Eu want the money in GB and Eu while $ is cheaper.

it is better for the rest of the world exclude JP to pay with $, easy for them and easy for me too

Isn't the EU currency higher than the dollar right now?

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Originally Posted by Caselia

Isn't the EU currency higher than the dollar right now?

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you got that right, so Eu actually paying overprice atm

The euro actually weakening.

they gave BOTH a discount, just one is cheaper both ways.

UK price is £6.89 which is 10.75usd or 8.04 eur.
Tiny diference I'm not at all bothered by.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

As of the correct date and time format of 2011-12-06 13:54 (1:54PM) GMT:

[SIZE="6"]€9,99 = $13.36[/SIZE]

So thank you SE for giving America a discount, I'm sure they're all very happy.

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€9,99 < €12,99 last time i checked

SE have always calculated €1 = $1

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Originally Posted by Felis

€9,99 < €12,99 last time i checked

SE have always calculated €1 = $1

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It isnt SE, its Life.

Everywhere does it. You can see PS3 for $250 in US and £250 in UK, which is stupid massive difference lol

But it doesnt bother me, because while we get a lil ripped of here, Ameircans get ripped off in Wages and having to pay stupidly high education fees, where as UK dont. (dont know about EU as a whole).

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Originally Posted by Felis

€9,99 < €12,99 last time i checked

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$13.36 > $9,99 ($40.44 difference per year)

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Originally Posted by Felis

SE have always calculated €1 = $1

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Yes most game companies do, hence my example of Battlefield 3 in the OP. My point is that if they're "forced" to charge a higher rate for European players, they could "Good Guy SE" and give us something for it.

By the time payment is due the euro will have collapsed. Don't worry about it too much.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

Out before taxes, socialism, bla bla bla. If you can't do anything about the taxes, you could at least give us something, like a free character slot or something else that doesn't carry a huge cost for you.

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That's still a discount, duh -_-.

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Originally Posted by viion

Ameircans get ripped off in Wages and having to pay stupidly high education fees, where as UK dont. (dont know about EU as a whole).

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We have high education fees too, but we also have higher living costs, pay more money for our rent, way more taxes, etc.
And don't even start about wages, they are pretty low for many people.
W are not more "rich" than people in America, so I don't think it's fair to bill us an extra $4.
*rage*:mad:

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Originally Posted by Celtodeno

By the time payment is due the euro will have collapsed. Don't worry about it too much.

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That's what they said in 2008 too..to argue with the stability of a currency is not making any sense here.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

We have high education fees too, but we also have higher living costs, pay more money for our rent, way more taxes, etc.
And don't even start about wages, they are pretty low for many people.
W are not more "rich" than people in America, so I don't think it's fair to bill us an extra $4.
*rage*:mad:

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So, about dat welfare.

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What does this mean? It means that steps are being taken around the world so that countries do not have to rely on the American Dollar as the World Reserve Currency. What does this mean for us Americans? It means enjoy the discount while we can. In a few years Americans will not be able to afford to put bread on their table after the cost raises to over $10.00 a loaf. This is not speculation, it is pure fact.

America is facing a crisis that goes far beyond any terror threat. As it stands now, America stays afloat by being able to print money to pay our debts. Once the rest of the world stops relying on the American dollar it will be useless and thus opens the door for a World Bank and World Government. Everything we take for granted now such as food, clothing, energy, jobs, housing, and the list goes on. These things will be very difficult to obtain unless you are part of the elite society of Americans (large corporation owners / politicians) who have the capital in other world currencies to continue to live a somewhat normal life while the rest of the country suffers.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

$13.36 > $9,99 ($40.44 difference per year)

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What do you mean with the $13.36 now?

Prepare the tin foil hats.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

So, about dat welfare.

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How could my original post possibly start a flame war regarding European and American living standards? All I'm saying is that if they're going to charge us a higher fee, they could be nice about it and give us something for it.

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Originally Posted by Felis

What do you mean with the $13.36 now?

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{Um...} it's the current EUR to USD conversion rate, perhaps you should re-read the OP.

The difference is essentially the equivalent of one single-player game per year, especially since the difference is potentially even bigger when 2.0 is released and the discount is removed for all regions.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

How could my original post possibly start a flame war regarding European and American living standards? All I'm saying is that if they're going to charge us a higher fee, they could be nice about it and give us something for it.

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They do it because of the VAT. There is no room to adjust. Otherwise the same would apply to US as well.

Everything they could give us has its' own value. They might as well lower the fee accordingly if it came down to that, since there really is little difference.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

How could my original post possibly start a flame war regarding European and American living standards?

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Because some people seem to think "Oh, they are from Europe, so they are all rich and it's fine for them to pay more money to get the same content." which is not true.
I decided to play this game with the full price of 13€ in mind, and I was willing and able to pay that.
I'm happy it's even less now:)
But I thought everyone would have to pay the same and I don't see any reason why I am supposed to pay more than someone else just because he is not living in the same country as I am.

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Originally Posted by viion

But it doesnt bother me, because while we get a lil ripped of here, Ameircans get ripped off in Wages and having to pay stupidly high education fees, where as UK dont. (dont know about EU as a whole).

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The education costs probably aren't really that far apart. You just pay them in taxes and government debt instead. This is the great socialist illusion of free meals.

Also, the reason US college students have to pay so high tuition fees lies in the government subsidized student loans. The colleges know these students will get their loans anyway, so they ramp up the prices.

In the past students would often declare themselves bankrupt once their studies were complete, so the law was changed and now a student can never rid themselves of student debt regardless of their ability to pay. Total US student debt now exceeds $1 trillion and is more than total credit card debt. It's a huge bubble that's going to burst soon and the banks will once again need a bailout if they haven't already been bailed out, again, because of Europe risk.

This is what central planning of the economy causes. It's one disaster after another.

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Originally Posted by Frein

The education costs probably aren't really that far apart. You just pay them in taxes and government debt instead. This is the great socialist illusion of free meals.

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This is a gaming forum.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

They do it because of the VAT. There is no room to adjust. Otherwise the same would apply to US as well.

Everything they could give us has its' own value. They might as well lower the fee accordingly if it came down to that, since there really is little difference.

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I'm not asking them to lower the fee, I already mentioned the VAT in the OP and the difference is anything but "little" to SE long term, so the fee itself is completely understandable. But offering something small as a way of saying "we get it" wouldn't have to carry a huge cost for them, it would just be the right thing to do.

While it is true us EU folk do get currency dildoed often by electronic device/media companies I don't take solace in that fact. By this I mean: just because I get the short end of the stick very often cause some countries in the EU decide they want a powerful currency even when certain countries are on the verge of colapse, it's still not OK to convert $1 to 1€ just cause everyone else is, especially since these charges add up overtime and it's not like buying one overpriced item once. And then these same companies are surprised about the piracy install base in some EU countries, but that's another conversation for another day. I'm sorry SE, but I'll have to rethink if I'll keep playing this game or not.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

I'm not asking them to lower the fee, I already mentioned the VAT in the OP and the difference is anything but "little" to SE long term, so the fee itself is completely understandable. But offering something small as a way of saying "we get it" wouldn't have to carry a huge cost for them, it would just be the right thing to do.

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The thing is, there's still a cost involved. That "something" will have a value of it's own, whether its 50 cents or 3 euros, it's still there, just in a different form. They could just lower the price instead, which they won't do, because there is little room to adjust as is due to VAT.

The way I see it is that it doesn't matter a damn to me what someone else is paying. The £6.89 they're asking me to pay seems worth it and that's all I need think about.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

The thing is, there's still a cost involved. That "something" will have a value of it's own, whether its 50 cents or 3 euros, it's still there, just in a different form. They could just lower the price instead, which they won't do, because there is little room to adjust as is due to VAT.

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Clearly this argument is just going in circles.

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Originally Posted by Syrous

[...] it's still not OK to convert $1 to 1€ just cause everyone else is, especially since these charges add up overtime and it's not like buying one overpriced item once. I'm sorry SE, but I'll have to rethink if I'll keep playing this game or not.

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Thank you!
Finally someone who feels the same.

@Betelgeuzah:
I don't think it's about VAT.
They are different in every country of Europe, but we'll all have to pay the same fee of 9,99€.
So don't tell me there's little room for adjustments. For non-american countries it's somewhere between 4% and more than 25%.
Even within the EU it's between 15% and 25%.
So letting all of us pay more because of VAT..not making any sense.

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

This is a gaming forum.

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I'm glad you noticed.

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I'm not asking them to lower the fee, I already mentioned the VAT in the OP and the difference is anything but "little" to SE long term, so the fee itself is completely understandable. But offering something small as a way of saying "we get it" wouldn't have to carry a huge cost for them, it would just be the right thing to do.

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It's possible that SE ramps up the € price simply because us Europeans are used to paying more (I hear this happens a lot in Australia), however, I'd say it's also quite likely it's simply a matter extra costs, mostly from VAT taxes, that does it. In that case it doesn't make sense for them to give us anything extra, as it would be, well, extra. SE should not need to sweeten the deal simply because we live in a different tax environment. It's a government issue, not a business one.

Technically paying more here in Japan as well. That's just how it goes I guess. :)

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Originally Posted by Frein

us Europeans

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Well after reading your posts and then learning that you are European as well I can only come to the conclusion that you are either "trolling" or have failed to see my point entirely, making it kind of mute to continue discussions.

I shall take my leave and bid you fare well good sir/madame.

If you go with values comparing exchange rates, prices would be changing every month. Get over it. I'm sure you don't compare euro prices to dollars on every single item you buy, because it doesn't matter. You get paid equivalent amounts that'll let you live in your country.

PS: It's rude to refer to the US as America.

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Originally Posted by Answa

PS: It's rude to refer to the US as America.

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Indeed it is and I'll apologize and hope you can forgive a Swede for what is for me an easy enough mistake to make once in a while.

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Note: The post you have just read is probably sarcasm.

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{Hmmm}

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Originally Posted by Answa

PS: It's rude to refer to the US as America.

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What's up with this?

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

{Hmmm}

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

What's up with this?

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America is a huge body of land, sometimes referred to as the Americas in the English-speaking world. The United States of America is a piece of that land. They are not it. I've already accepted that nobody's going to change the term "American" because any alternative would be too long. But being part of the continent(s) but not the country makes me annoyed everytime someone refers to it as America.

i'm not looking at what america pays. i'm not looking at what japan pays. i'm not even looking at what the rest of europe pays, i'm paying less than 7quid, and thats good enough for me. (sorry if that seems like a selfish response)

Pay or go, you had your "try before you buy" beta test for a year, stop being cheap. I't doesnt matter how much a cup of coffee costs in america or London so stop whining!!

AHUU!

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Originally Posted by Alcobrum

I't doesnt matter how much a cup of coffee costs in america

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It's rude to call it America, did you know?

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Originally Posted by totallynotme

It's rude to call it America, did you know?

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I used lower case as my people did when they founded those continents, little did we know it would end up with them getting cheaper gaming. We really should have fought harder in the war of independance!

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Originally Posted by Alcobrum

I used lower case as my people did when they founded those continents, little did we know it would end up with them getting cheaper gaming. We really should have fought harder in the war of independance!

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I'm just going to call it India like they did from the beginning.

I've made my point in the OP, I'll just wait for a mod to close this now thank you.