Under what circumstances would you kick another player from PotD matched party?

I'm just curious. I ended up kicking someone the other day on like floor 94. I think it's the first time I've ever kicked a person in this game for a reason other than an extended DC or AFK.

They were going slow and insisted on grabbing every chest, but I didn't mind. Then they started condescendingly lecturing us on the importance of pomanders. I told them it wasn't important aside from getting one Resolution. The condescension intensified.

On floor 94, my friend and I who are both capped were plowing through rooms and this person apparently popped a luring trap in one of the rooms they decided to go in (they had split and gone in another direction). They then pulled them to us when we already had five mobs in the hallway and fortunately that person died and the lure mobs reset right as they got to us or we might have actually been in danger of a wipe. What followed was a two minute lecture on "((team))((work))" because apparently it was our fault they died. As we got to the cairn, they popped a second luring trap. We killed the mobs and they didn't help at all. I told them they could at least kill the luring trap mobs they had spawned and they said, "Nope. Teamwork is for losers," or something to that effect.

At that point I kicked them, both because I didn't want to put up with their attitude and because they seemed like the type who would wipe us later, deliberately or otherwise. I probably could have been more patient though. I don't know. I try not to kick people all willy nilly, so I'm curious what sorts of things would prompt other people to boot someone from something as casual as PotD matched runs.

When they said they want the team to back them up to open every chest and pomanders, and leveling up their gears.... they later say teamwork is for losers?

But honestly, every members should deserve to level their POTD gears and explore if they wish. No one should tell others that they don't need to explore everything or unlock chests to level just because others have capped them. That's just not right. If that's the case, the capped players should use PF system to party up if anything.

I'd do it if they don't fit the playstyle of the rest of the party.

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

When they said they want the team to back them up to open every chest and pomanders, and leveling up their gears.... they later say teamwork is for losers?

But honestly, every members should deserve to level their POTD gears and explore if they wish. No one should tell others that they don't need to explore everything or unlock chests to level just because others have capped them. That's just not right. If that's the case, the capped players should use PF system to party up if anything.

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Well, to be clear, their final remark was 100% definitely just a way of telling us (no idea which combination of the three of us they meant) to go perform intimate adult acts with ourselves. I don't even remember the actual wording really, just the meaning.

The only time I have ever kicked someone and even thought of kicking someone in POTD was when we were on floor 99, smooth run, no arguments, everything was just dandy. I was on AST and had two MNKs and a SMN so we had pretty high dps. Then for no reason, one of the MNKs uses TWO kuribus, one lust, and one rage (all we had). He would pop them and immediately click off the buff so he could use another. Then he suicided into a pack of 10 or so mobs. Needless to say, the rest of us got pretty damn pissed and kicked him immediately. And ofc we failed floor 100 due to mobs beating me black and blue.

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Would only kick if someone trolled or was just an awful person.

I've only kicked someone from PotD once before, I have old posts about it in the duty finder thread part 1 and part 2.

I've only ever kicked for bad attitudes or people having broken gear in the general game for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

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your attitude is probable why they said what they said. You not exactly being the better person, and yes the pomanders can help, as it can lowers the amount of mobs, rages can kill all mobs, you can find more hordes via a pomander remember people have different goals going into potd... should be considerate instead of assuming.

but hey it NA as in Natural assumes'ers :P dad joke aside

this only 1 part, the other person can easily reverse it and claim you bullied them.

me, i don;t kick people unless it is a last resort. I try to be the bigger person and only kick out trolls.

imo kicking a person out for difference of opinion is vindictive.

It takes quite a bit for me. Basically these few things:

1. D/C for longer than a few minutes.
2. AFK for an excessive amount of time, shorter if unannounced.
3. Repeatedly making mistakes that get the group killed. Mistakes happen. I get it. But if you make the same one over and over and could possibly wipe the group, you're gone.
4. Pissing me off. Thats hard to do, but usually insulting me or another group member.
5. Botting. If you're not participating.
6. Petulant behavior. I get it you derped and joined a PUG for a speed run instead of forming one. But the run will go faster if you help kill things. Not often but I'll get a person who will sit on the exit if its available and its like the 2nd room in for the floor and there's 4 silver chests to be opened. Sorry but I will go for these on floor 61-70 if people have pre 60 weapons. Its a little tough for someone to get 50-70 on floors 1-50. What I like to do with lazy people is vote kick them on floor X9. They wanted a speed run, but lost way more time because of their petulance. Of course I give them a chance in those 9 floors. But I see no reason to reward laziness. Patience and discipline are better. So their replacement gets a free fast easy run for selecting queue in progress.

The way I see it, the normal run should be done as quickly as possible without causing trouble. In addition if people need it, I'll go for silver chests. I won't go for every gold chest. But I will try to get the ones along the way or easy to snipe from a room. Let's be honest, you DON'T need resolutions for floor 100, they make it easy, but I've seen that boss die very quickly without. And I'm not going to throw a fit if someone uses a Lust on a non-boss room. Especially if there's tons of mobs (witch then lust on 6+ mobs with a fortune running is fun).

Anything beyond that, I think people should use fixed parties. The way I run is fast, safe, and gets people upgrades. Its probably the perfect compromise. Which is how PUGs should be.

I tried to kick a person that decided PotD was a good place to use /sit one time.

I don't mind people skipping rooms, it's not their obligation to help clear them if they don't want it. +99 players are not slaves to new/undergeared/returning +35 players. And I don't mind people killing every mob if they want to waste more of their and our time without any reason.
I do mind, however, if they don't help killing minimum number of mobs to open teleport, or if they are trying to force their gameplay style to the rest of us, and that's a legit reason for votekick in my eyes.

i was in a party with a BRD, WHM and AST, and i was DRK.

i was tanking and the WHM just spammed cure 1 on gcd on me (i didn't needed any healing), so he was nothing than overhealing me. the BRD stepped in some traps, and everytime the AST had to go out of cleric and heal or dispell the BRD, while the WHM was useless overhealing me... so i kicked the WHM...

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

+99 players are not slaves to new/undergeared/returning +35 players.

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Neither are undergeared/new/returning players should cater for +99 people who want to just skip everything.

So that's just double standard speaking right here. If the +99 people should be concerned about having new players with undergeared stats, then they should not go matched at all. Anything from 1-100 is supposedly to help your stats for the gear stats of your arms and armor, and to level your actual characters. There has been more new players who want to do POTD and these speed runners are not giving the opportunity to give good experience to enjoy the content.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

+99 players are not slaves to new/undergeared/returning +35 players.

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Just out of curiosity, what if the player in question it's just spending the charges on the weapons to gear other classes or just for the aesthetic and wants to gain them back?

On topic:
I never understood the speedrun mentality and i will never will. As someone mentioned above me, gold chests can ensure your victory over the last floor if you happen to encounter in a bad situation, or just for the sake of avoiding traps. Or, to avoid empty rooms if there is no need to open any more chests for that matter. I neves had to kick a player in PotD and never i was kicked for playing it the normal way, but a reason to kick... Getting afk, for starters. Or just sitting in te exit awaiting for everyone do the rest of the job.

I'd kick snowflakes. Basically, if most of the group wants to speedrun, but one snowflake wants all the chests and puts up a fuss, I'll vote to kick the snowflake. Same if most people want to get all the chests but one snowflake wants to speedrun and puts up a fuss, I'll vote to kick the snowflake.

Group wants > snowflake wants

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

Neither are undergeared/new/returning players should cater for +99 people who want to just skip everything.

So that's just double standard speaking right here. If the +99 people should be concerned about having new players with undergeared stats, then they should not go matched at all. Anything from 1-100 is supposedly to help your stats for the gear stats of your arms and armor, and to level your actual characters. There has been more new players who want to do POTD and these speed runners are not giving the opportunity to give good experience to enjoy the content.

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With this logic matched should be banished from the game. As one way or another someone is catering to someone else's need. The only difference is one gets called an elitest.

Imo 1-50 is there to get your stats at a decent base. Then if you are leveling skip as much as you can, you will get your numbers as you run the floors. I started with my actual lvl, and my potd weapon/armor levels in the 40s. By the time I got my alt to 51 my weapon/armor was in the 90s. I would find the portal, kill enough to open it and stand there and wait. You want the chests, have fun. Honestly I got maybe 1-2 extra points when waiting for people in that entire time so there isn't that big of a difference and you likely get points faster with speed runs too.

What really gets my goat is when people have to pop all chests, silver sure, but why clear a room of 10 mobs for a gold or blue?

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Originally Posted by Elim

I'd kick snowflakes. Basically, if most of the group wants to speedrun, but one snowflake wants all the chests and puts up a fuss, I'll vote to kick the snowflake. Same if most people want to get all the chests but one snowflake wants to speedrun and puts up a fuss, I'll vote to kick the snowflake.

Group wants > snowflake wants

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I typically don't kick, but for the sake of the conversation, this is what I agree with. Who made their needs the most important in the group? Even on the way up i'd only get chests that were on the way or that wouldn't pull an extra room. It's not as if it takes long to get a new group and get all the chests your little heart can handle.

As a side note, I feel speed running should be the norm and hunting should be the exception. I don't think it's unfair to say most of us just want exp.

I would only kick if the player is: Offline, AFK or abusive towards the group.

When my two friends and I were regularly running 1-50, we would kick healers who didn't use cleric stance, or tanks who stayed in tank stance instead of DPS stance, after asking them to focus on DPS since healing/tanking were not needed.

I'll not kick no one, I am doing just my own business there, and to be coherent I need to acknowledge other's businesses are legit too and will let them make it.

If you want speedrun you can go the circle and no issues, you will wait me but after I got the chest I've run to you godspeed. Reciprocal respect is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I'll not kick no one, I am doing just my own business there, and to be coherent I need to acknowledge other's businesses are legit too and will let them make it.

If you want speedrun you can go the circle and no issues, you will wait me but after I got the chest I've run to you godspeed. Reciprocal respect is a good thing.

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^This is basically what I agree with. Everyone has his/her own business in PotD, there should be a common ground.

Abusiveness and trolling have been the only reasons I've kicked people from PotD. Though, I was kicked once for informing my group I was gonna afk for a sec to put a spider outside. I guess they wanted me to kill the spider or something.

It's not clear to me if some of you are just speaking generally or suggesting I tried to force the other person to skip chests, but just to be clear I never so much as asked them to stop getting them or even brought it up. If people want to get chests, I'm not happy about it, but it's a random group, so I'm not going to demand they do otherwise. I simply told them I didn't care about any pomanders aside from a single Resolution once they began lecturing us in a way that made it clear they were taking issue with the fact that we weren't rushing to grab every chest in every room.

Go against the group, get kicked. Delay a speedrun? Kick. Portal camp a chest run? Kick.

Chest runs are less common in DF, but I do see them.

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Originally Posted by Higashikata

I'd do it if they don't fit the playstyle of the rest of the party.

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So if you go as 99/99 as many people go for whatever reason besides showing off, and theres someone who wants to upgrade his gear...he deserve to be kicked just cause you just want to rush it? stay out of POTD, please.

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Originally Posted by Keikun

So if you go as 99/99 as many people go for whatever reason besides showing off, and theres someone who wants to upgrade his gear...he deserve to be kicked just cause you just want to rush it? stay out of POTD, please.

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3>1. No one person has more right to dictate a run than another, so majority rules.

Someone gets screwed when the party disagrees. It's only fair to screw the fewest number of people as possible.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

3>1. No one person has more right to dictate a run than another, so majority rules.

Someone gets screwed when the party disagrees. It's only fair to screw the fewest number of people as possible.

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And why not reach a common ground? 3 want to speedrun vs 1 who wants to upgrade his gear, why not a speedrun only taking silver chest for example? This is a cooperative game after all, it would be bad if either part has to leave the party because some disagreement. And worse if happens with a new player involved.

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Originally Posted by Zhamkyong

And why not reach a common ground? 3 want to speedrun vs 1 who wants to upgrade his gear, why not a speedrun only taking silver chest for example? This is a cooperative game after all, it would be bad if either part has to leave the party because some disagreement. And worse if happens with a new player involved.

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Of course, communicating and cooperating is the ideal. I'm referring to when that doesn't work or happen (which seems to be most of the time).

they just need to remove the potd weapons at this point. In fact let's just put everyone at capped everything so the speed runners don't have to worry about being slowed down. This is a problem in every game I've ever played with a duty finder.

Honestly, if you do not go in as a premade you should always expect to do everything in potd or even do small pulls in DF. If everyone matched has capped stuff speed run away and be happy. Otherwise just expect to collect chests at a minimum for weapon skill ups and hordes.

Mainly just abuse in chat, trolling, or griefing. If you accidentally run into a room and we have an intense pull, that's one thing. If you continuously do it and we almost die repeatedly, you're gone. If I go with the person who needs silver upgrades and you sit at the passage but don't say anything, I'll just quietly think you're an asshole. If you get snotty about it in chat, you're gone. If you insult or verbally abuse partymates in chat, you're gone. We're not there to have to take that shit from you.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Mainly just abuse in chat, trolling, or griefing. If you accidentally run into a room and we have an intense pull, that's one thing. If you continuously do it and we almost die repeatedly, you're gone. If I go with the person who needs silver upgrades and you sit at the passage but don't say anything, I'll just quietly think you're an asshole. If you get snotty about it in chat, you're gone. If you insult or verbally abuse partymates in chat, you're gone. We're not there to have to take that shit from you.

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Pretty much this.

I don't kick people for playstyle differences.

I do kick the ones who intentionally want to see the party burn. Not just potd but any content really.

One thing I will do is go for silver chests, even if I have 99/99. Someone likely needs it. But if no one does (I check), I'll speedrun since no one needs anything. But if one person needs aetherpool, I'll push to get silver chests. Its the right thing to do and it makes my future runs faster when that person is in my group again. Because let's be honest, if you run PoTD several times in a day or week, you will see the same people. Just be nice and courteous. Help them help you. The higher their item level the faster they'll make it. Its literally a win-win situation.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Mainly just abuse in chat, trolling, or griefing. If you accidentally run into a room and we have an intense pull, that's one thing. If you continuously do it and we almost die repeatedly, you're gone. If I go with the person who needs silver upgrades and you sit at the passage but don't say anything, I'll just quietly think you're an asshole. If you get snotty about it in chat, you're gone. If you insult or verbally abuse partymates in chat, you're gone. We're not there to have to take that shit from you.

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Couldn't agree more.