Relics!!!

The ARR relic? Garbage now only good as a glamor.

The anima relic? Possibly out dated and garbaged like the ARR relic was after hw was released.

What I would actually like to see is new quests for both of those relic lines, bring them up and keep those custom built weapons relevant to new content coming out. Why throw away the time and everything invested into those weapons? Keeping those weapons up to par with new gear coming out only makes sense to me and also adds a sense of accomplishment that you BUILT the weapon you're using.

I see no problem with How they are. The Relic Weapon is great until The Vault, and you can Level up your char while doing your relic. I'm doing my Blm one, and I'm close to lv56 and started doing at the moment I reached lv50 (that's my fourth one). Then you can use it to jump the first step in your Anima weapon.
And about Anima, it's a great weapon now and probably you will be able to make some good progress in SB before needing to get a better one. And they might be used to jump a step for the next Evolutive Weapon.

I won't simply throw away a weapon like that to skip a simple step in the next new relic. I'm proud of building a weapon like that, it's just a shame that SE believes the time put into those aren't worth keeping them up to level and relevant, if they make new quests for those relics people will continue to build those and use those.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

I won't simply throw away a weapon like that to skip a simple step in the next new relic. I'm proud of building a weapon like that, it's just a shame that SE believes the time put into those aren't worth keeping them up to level and relevant, if they make new quests for those relics people will continue to build those and use those.

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You're looking at it backwards. The Anima questline is, essentially, a continuation of the level 50 relic weapon. But, you have an option to skip the level 50 portion if you do an extra step. The relic weapons are one giant line already.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

You're looking at it backwards. The Anima questline is, essentially, a continuation of the level 50 relic weapon. But, you have an option to skip the level 50 portion if you do an extra step. The relic weapons are one giant line already.

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No I'm looking at it as having multiple relics to build up, using the ARR relic to skip one simple step is a complete waste of the time put into it.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

No I'm looking at it as having multiple relics to build up, using the ARR relic to skip one simple step is a complete waste of the time put into it.

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You're making a distinction where one doesn't need to exist. You have a level 50 relic. You can upgrade it to level 60 and do another questline after that, in the form of the Anima questline. The SB relic will be the same. We take the old relic and upgrade it to level 70 for a new questline.

Obviously those that have responded thus far either weren't around and had put in the work for the ARR relic to recall when HW was released the out rage of those that had finished their relic to have found out the relic they worked so hard to build getting used as a trade in to skip one simple step for the new relic line.

Those players had spent the time and the millions of Gil building that relic just for it to get tossed away like garbage. Sure they put in replicas of the original but all I'm saying is more quests should be put in to continue building both relics up so it isn't just a time sink that gets outdated.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

all I'm saying is more quests should be put in to continue building both relics up so it isn't just a time sink that gets outdated.

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Quests to build up the old relic? Sure, let's say you can take your level 50 relic and upgrade it to level 60. We'll have a whole new quest line, with new models for each step. We can call it... the Anima questline!

It is one giant upgrade questline. It is. It's broken up so that you can start at the latest expansion (with extra work), but it is one giant upgrade questline, just like you're asking for.

Remember the i125 step, where you take the Nexus weapon and turn it into a Zodiac Brave weapon? It's not the same weapon anymore, you basically used the old one as a crafting mat. It's the same thing going to the Anima quests.

Edit: Specifically, if you recall, we had Mutamix convert the relic weapon into Materia, because it couldn't be perfected further. That Materia was used as a material to help recreate the Zodiac Brave weapon, a new starting point. The Zodiac Brave weapon can't be perfected further, so we need to use it in helping to forge a new weapon, a new starting point. We've done it before, and we'll do it again and again.

So...if the optional step to fate grind for the anima cyrstals didn't exist and you were forced to turn in your 50 zeta, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

So...if the optional step to fate grind for the anima cyrstals didn't exist and you were forced to turn in your 50 zeta, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

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It looks like the issue is the name of the weapon changing. I should be using my Blunt Aeolian Scimitar all the way to 275 dangit!

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Originally Posted by Blazinhart

I see no problem with How they are. The Relic Weapon is great until The Vault, and you can Level up your char while doing your relic. I'm doing my Blm one, and I'm close to lv56 and started doing at the moment I reached lv50 (that's my fourth one). Then you can use it to jump the first step in your Anima weapon.
And about Anima, it's a great weapon now and probably you will be able to make some good progress in SB before needing to get a better one. And they might be used to jump a step for the next Evolutive Weapon.

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Saying the strongest point about a relic is you get to skip a couple of crafted weapons is pretty sad.

I'm pretty sure I won't be doing any more relics here on out.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Saying the strongest point about a relic is you get to skip a couple of crafted weapons is pretty sad.

I'm pretty sure I won't be doing any more relics here on out.

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Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought the benefit of the 135 relic was upgrading it to level 60 170, then further up to 275. Weird.

I thought the benefit was eventually getting a weapon either at the highest level or close to it, and customizing the stats to your specifications. Not hoping that the best weapon has your preferred secondary stats, guaranteeing that it does.

What is so bad about wanting 2 different relic quest lines that evolve with each level cap increase?

Is it that difficult to do quest lines like that? I don't have issues with the name changing or the look of the weapon. What has bothered me is scrapping them after the work that goes into them.

The ARR relic you can't use all the way up to level 60 and even then trading it in to skip one step, like come on.

They could have kept that relic line going and for the final form make it an ilvl 280, give it that extra incentive to keep going on that one. They could have done it where using one relic would have it's perks for this content while the other one was better suited for that content or something

That's just a huge waste of time for players and nobody wants to deal with switching weapons based on content, or grinding an old weapon because it's better for that kind of content - would you? Every other piece of gear in the game becomes worthless when a new expansion comes out; the fact that you can trade in the zodiac weapon to get a head start on the anima is a great nod to the people who invested the time.

The point of zodiac and anima weapons was to have a good weapon that you continued to evolve over the expansion's lifetime. If you invested time in that weapon, you didn't need to farm currency, or raid, or get a crafted piece; your relic weapon stays with you. It sucks that all your hard work got turned into glamour, but so did every other piece of gear from that time. I can't fathom many people who would want to do both grinds.

I've said this in another thread too, because I've already pre-ordered stormblood I'll see how it goes but if it ends up being the same old grind for gear like I've noticed this far I doubt I'll continue playing.

I like having gear that lasts for more than a few months or so with how often gear gets out dated it's rather difficult levelling other jobs/crafts without sacrificing ones you have already levelled and geared. This has been the first mmo I've ever played where I've had this problem and I've played quite a few. I end up spending so much time updating gear I haven't been able to other content I would like to have done.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I can't fathom many people who would want to do both grinds.

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Do you even know how many people I've met on FF XI that had built multiple relic weapons and multiple mythic weapons? Too many to count and those relic lines were probably 10x harder and longer than the ones in XIV. My point here is there are people that would enjoy that kind of thing. Here's the kicker when they finally raised the level cap from 75 up to lv 99 and brought in the ilvl they made quests to bring your relic and mythic weapons up to level so yet were both still relevant.

I grow attached to my relics :) I would love to continue upgrading the same weapon.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

The ARR relic? Garbage now only good as a glamor.

The anima relic? Possibly out dated and garbaged like the ARR relic was after hw was released.

What I would actually like to see is new quests for both of those relic lines, bring them up and keep those custom built weapons relevant to new content coming out. Why throw away the time and everything invested into those weapons? Keeping those weapons up to par with new gear coming out only makes sense to me and also adds a sense of accomplishment that you BUILT the weapon you're using.

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I think it's a matter of opinion and what you like to accomplish. I for one love the relic lines and doing all Zodiac and Animas. Besides I hate fate grinding for crystals and doing extra relics just to avoid that. It's a good way for players to learn their job by practice and I find that Relic holders seem to understand mechanics, their jobs, and can help the flow of battle if they understand the healers job and tank job. It would be nice to have a story line were perhaps merging different relics would be involved, maybe as a God Job wep of some sort to actually make the Relic weapon the strongest weapon in the game. With new content coming out it would be a nice intensive to revisit old content. While not many agree that grinding is the best way to spend your time, it is more for a form of satisfaction that only hardcore gamer can really understand. I'll take relic any day over running around in a group doing fates. You can clear more achievements that ways as well.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I can't fathom many people who would want to do both grinds.

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There are people whoa re dedicated and have experience with relics in the past. If you ever played FFXI you would understand that there are people who are really dedicated. I for one have most relics and myth weapons and believe me compare to FFXIV they are 100x harder even after FFXI was nerfed. While you may think its a glamor there is more to it. I can't understand why people like to grind fates? My personal experience with players that have relics tend to understand their job better than people who grind fates or do raids. A relic user actually comprehends more their job and the flow of battle. I'm sorry that you see it as a hard work gone to waste, yet you have to look beyond that. Sure you get to skip the grinding fate part by having a Zodiac. thank God, the experience is what makes a difference between person who fate grinds and a person that is more resourceful.

I don't know about you, but my i135 relics upgrade to L60 i170 just fine. I really don't see your issue.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

A relic user actually comprehends more their job and the flow of battle. I'm sorry that you see it as a hard work gone to waste, yet you have to look beyond that. Sure you get to skip the grinding fate part by having a Zodiac. thank God, the experience is what makes a difference between person who fate grinds and a person that is more resourceful.

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What in the hell? Completely disregarding this whole "people who did the relic grind are better at the game!!!!" because it's not hard, it's a time sink. I've done both of them (well, I haven't finished my anima yet). You ignored the second part of what I said - why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? That's just not good game design Amalon wanted the zodiac quest line to be continued, it WAS, by allowing you to use it towards the anima.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? That's just not good game design Amalon wanted the zodiac quest line to be continued, it WAS, by allowing you to use it towards the anima.

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Doing both the zodiac and anima relics and keeping them both relevant to new content provides choice. There are ppl that would do both weapons because it's an accomplishment they would be proud of, I may have used a poor example of making them better for certain content but each one could have some different base stats. When doing a relic line you're not supposed to be able start it half way through, that's cheating in my opinion and the anima as a continuation of the zodiac is just that a short cut cause you don't actually need the zodiac to do it.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought the benefit of the 135 relic was upgrading it to level 60 170, then further up to 275. Weird.

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Yup, doing the ARR relic specifically for the first-step fate skip, which was never hard, is definitely crazy. Would be more sane to say you did it specifically for the lv 50 roulette.

Job Specific Equipment Armor Sets
Artifact Armor
Artifact Armor +1 Reforged Artifact Armor Reforged Artifact Armor +1 Reforged Artifact Armor +2 Reforged Artifact Armor +3
iLevel 109 Artifact Armor iLevel 119 Artifact Armor

Relic Armor
Relic Armor +1 Relic Armor +2 Reforged Relic Armor Reforged Relic Armor +1
iLevel 109 Relic Armor iLevel 119 Relic Armor

Empyrean Armor
Empyrean Armor +1 Empyrean Armor +2 Reforged Empyrean Armor Reforged Empyrean Armor +1
iLevel 109 Empyrean Armor iLevel 119 Empyrean Armor
Reforged Armors
Reforged Armor is the Artifact (AF1), Relic (AF2), and Empyrean Armor (AF3) sets upgraded to the initial stage of Item Level 109 before being further upgraded to Item Level 119 in their +1 form.

The NPC Monisette in Port Jeuno handles all upgrade processes.

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Relic Weapons
Created through Dynamis Currency, Relic Weapons are powerful high-damage and low-delay weapons, though costly to obtain. Once a weapon has been upgraded to the forth and final stage, a unique weapon skill becomes available to the player based on the weapon.

Further Upgrades
After completing the fourth stage, Relic Weapons can be further upgraded through their level 99 variants via the Trial of the Magians.
For initial Item Level 119 versions, a level 99 variant and 300 Pluton icon.png Plutons must be traded to Oboro in Port Jeuno at (E-6).
Aegis and Gjallarhorn lack 119 variants, being fully upgraded in their level 99 II forms.
For the completed Item Level 119 versions, an Item Level 119 variant and 10,000 Pluton icon.png Plutons must be traded to Oboro in Port Jeuno at (E-6).
119 variants possessing an Afterglow only require 1.

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Category:Mythic Weapons
(Redirected from Mythic Weapon)
Mythic Weapons are upgraded versions of Vigil Weapons found during the Nyzul Isle Investigation.
The historical background for these weapons can be found at The Myriad Arms of Balrahn.

Mythic Acquisition
There are a series of quests one must complete in the pursuit of a Mythic Weapon.
Be forewarned that these are laborious tasks which will take a while to complete.

The Captain Mercenary Rank must be obtained first in order to start the Mythic Questline:
An Imperial Heist
Duties, Tasks, and Deeds
Forging a New Myth
Coming Full Circle
After this, Mythic Weapons can be further upgraded through their level 99 variants via the Trial of the Magians.
For initial Item Level 119 versions, a level 99 variant and 300 Beitetsu icon.png Beitetsus must be traded to Oboro in Port Jeuno at (E-6).
For the completed Item Level 119 versions, an Item Level 119 variant and 10,000 Beitetsu icon.png Beitetsus must be traded to Oboro in Port Jeuno at (E-6).
119 variants possessing an Afterglow only require 1 Beitetsu.

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This is the kind of thing that myself as well as others I know would love to see come to FF XIV.

Those would be the 2 'relic' weapon lines from FF XI and each weapon based on the job has a unique weapon skill you gain while using them AND they were kept relevant by further upgrading them to keep with the level cap.

I also included the reforged 'artifact' armors that were also up gradable via quests.

Why can't something like this be brought into FF XIV? The level of satisfaction you get from building and upgrading unique gear like this is un measurable and adding in unique stats/traits/abilities makes them all the more better.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

Why can't something like this be brought into FF XIV? The level of satisfaction you get from building and upgrading unique gear like this is un measurable and adding in unique stats/traits/abilities makes them all the more better.

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I do agree with that and would love to see something like that added but that would also mean that ffxiv or more the community needs to accept different play styles, due to the fact that every Job would play differently with different builds/unique stats & traits, and that's not happening anytime soon. Therefore adding your idea as example to the game, would just cause more problems as it stands right now, then it actually would solve anything, especially if it would also be rng based (knowing SE since they love RNGesus soooo much) on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

What in the hell? Completely disregarding this whole "people who did the relic grind are better at the game!!!!" because it's not hard, it's a time sink. I've done both of them (well, I haven't finished my anima yet). You ignored the second part of what I said - why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? That's just not good game design Amalon wanted the zodiac quest line to be continued, it WAS, by allowing you to use it towards the anima.

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Ok taking it out of context, I find t hat people who grind relics have better understanding from my experience. There are some that still not 100% but are more likely to listen and follow mechanics. As part of your second statement - Why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? once again its' to skip the mindless fate grinding of farming crystals and OBTAIN a better understanding of the job mechanics. Even now as mentor, I have come across various players who refuse to listen to mechanics and really cause others to rage quit. For example a healer AST, who only fate grinds and refuses to use Cards, WHM who rather DPS and keep Cleric stance up and ignore the fact that they are healers. When asked why they say, this is how I play. BY THEIR OWN CHOICE, then complain that they get voted off. In no way, shape, or form Do I claim that RELIC users are the better players just because they have a Relic weapon, I do however claim that do to their patience, conviction, and various type of grinding they have come to understand mechanics a bit better and are willing to take advice. In other words they see both sides of the coin. There are some raid wep users that are really good and can outclass relic users. Once again they have put in hard work in a different way and usually have the relic weapon as well. Everyone has a style they play, some shine more than others. As for the Zodiac brave story how far can you really go into it? Maybe do it like FFXI and see one of the spirit that owned the weapon? Then Add a Myth type? Maybe in the future where you need minimum a title for a type of God weapon were RELIC is suppose to be the strongest weapon in the game? Who knows. Relics were designed so players can alter the stats to their style. Same reason why I rather do relics, achievements, learning or fine tuning my character cool down rotations. or the usual bragging rights.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

Why can't something like this be brought into FF XIV? The level of satisfaction you get from building and upgrading unique gear like this is un measurable and adding in unique stats/traits/abilities makes them all the more better.

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GOD YES!!!! How I wish SE would do that here, the people here may actually understand what an actual grind is and come to terms on how easy they have it here on FFXIV. Then again If they did people would complain and would be a nerfed , people would rage quit it's too hard, or not enough people would not help -.-.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

GOD YES!!!! How I wish SE would do that here, the people here may actually understand what an actual grind is and come to terms on how easy they have it here on FFXIV. Then again If they did people would complain and would be a nerfed , people would rage quit it's too hard, or not enough people would not help -.-.

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You get what it is I'm getting at here with this!!! From the sounds of things you've built the relic's and mythic's in ff XI and yea for them to make the relic quest lines in XIV like the ones in XI I would have to say probably about 70% of the ppl that have built the relics in XIV would complain that its too hard and too long to build a relic.

All I am saying is for them to add more and bump both the zodiac and anima relics up with updated quests to keep both weapons relevant for new content and maybe add something more 'special' over other easier to get weapons like adding 'boosts "this" ability/trait/spell by x%' still make it 'easy' for those that wouldn't be cut out for the kind of work the ff XI relic and mythic weapons took to build.

They could even take it a bit farther by adding in reforged artifact armor quests to boost the lv 50 artifact armor up to the current/new level cap and maybe adding in some customization for stats for those.

Personally I've found the zodiac and anima relic quest lines a walk in the park and easily done even before they got nerfed compared to the ones in ff XI

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

I think it's a matter of opinion and what you like to accomplish. I for one love the relic lines and doing all Zodiac and Animas. Besides I hate fate grinding for crystals and doing extra relics just to avoid that. It's a good way for players to learn their job by practice and I find that Relic holders seem to understand mechanics, their jobs, and can help the flow of battle if they understand the healers job and tank job. It would be nice to have a story line were perhaps merging different relics would be involved, maybe as a God Job wep of some sort to actually make the Relic weapon the strongest weapon in the game. With new content coming out it would be a nice intensive to revisit old content. While not many agree that grinding is the best way to spend your time, it is more for a form of satisfaction that only hardcore gamer can really understand. I'll take relic any day over running around in a group doing fates. You can clear more achievements that ways as well.

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Sorry man but relic holders seem to understand mechanics and their jobs? That may be true for some of them but not for all because you need none of that to get a maxed relic, its all doable with just pressing 1,2,3.