The Great Debate on Progressing through Raids without voice chat and with voice chat

Hi community i want to get your take on this subject on the situation of raiding in final fantasy 14.

Share your experiences of Raiding Extreme and Savage Raids without using voice chat services and with using voice chat services.

Share your successful and unsuccessful stories of not using voice chat and using voice chat during Extreme and Savage.

Keep in mind the game was built with keyboard communication and long dungeon battle timers to successfully accomplish each challenge.

Let the Great Debate Begin

So what you're asking is since Discord and Teamspeak and the like are third party applications that help players perform better as a team, they should be banned from XIV? :P /s

I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is to be honest. IMO it's just more fun to raid with a voice chat client on. Hell even dungeons are more fun because I can bant and fight.

You can coordinate faster/better with voice chat (dynamically, macro for certain stuff is better), this makes everything easier. Con not everyone wants to do the hoops to get voice chat running, and not everyone has equal hoops they have to jump through (time of day, language, phone with app or pc with program, buy acceptable mic, find a quiet area / learn to use push to talk, be heard and judged for your voice - although if your raid group is going to not like you for that then perhaps you shouldn't be raiding with them lol).

If you want to do better easier then you get voice chat.. It's not impossible of course - like the whole parser no parser thing, but it simply allows faster therefore better dynamic coordination. Your fingers are already pretty busy. Although for easier content like regular dungeons its just really a social experience not much to worry about.

Fun thing to me is seeing the chatty voice chat vs deathly quiet, or even better when someone made the rule no talking but call out every little thing - included the most obvious. Tornado! Uh, yeah - only way you can't see it is if you're afk dude. lol.

Hit and miss with random people, also probably the moments people are most afraid to join in due to judgement (or not in an environment that a mic would be acceptable). IMO if you like your peeps, voice chat is great.

I don't think discord makes anything easier at all. It is the exact same thing as if someone knew the fight.

Consider voice chat wasn't always around when Final Fantasy XI, World of Warcraft first started voice over internet programs (VoIP) such as Discord, Teamspeak the like were not around or not very popular/well known.

Yet people did the raids using keyboards and whatever other means of communication. Using the voice chat just makes it quicker or easier to give up commands orders and what to do during a raid fight or something similar.

My opinion whatever works if they do better with voice chat do voice chat if they my opinion whatever works if they do better with voice chat doing voice chat if they in my opinion whatever works if they do better with voice chat do voice chat if they my opinion whatever works if they'd do better with voice chat do voice chat if they my opinion whatever works if they do better with voice chat voice chat if they you better with keyboard then let them get keyboard.

Just whatever the person wants to use you better with keyboard then let them do keyboard just whatever the person wants to use you better with keyboard then let them good keyboard just whatever the person wants to use you better with keyboard than let them get keyboard just whatever the person wants to use you better with keyboard than let them do keyboard just whatever the person wants to use whatever helps them when their gameplay.

If you ban for discord use Balmung will be empty lol.

Beyond being a bad idea, how would this even be enforced.

I tried to PU without voice chat in savage. i'll never do it again.

Well, my own experiences are mostly positive, but I only do voice chat with people I at least loosely know beforehand. Otherwise, even an integrated voice chat is off by default for me and I personally almost never speak myself - too much hate for my own voice.

It's useful to save typing time and it's almost required if you want to coordinate something while the fight is running, since you need your hands free. It's also useful for callouts, since you sometimes forget what was coming next or tunnel vision. In a good group that knows the fight in and out, it doesn't really seem necessary however.

And that's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

So what you're asking is since Discord and Teamspeak and the like are third party applications that help players perform better as a team, they should be banned from XIV? :P /s

I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is to be honest. IMO it's just more fun to raid with a voice chat client on. Hell even dungeons are more fun because I can bant and fight.

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This topic and it's questions is not about banning people for using voice chat.

I like it when I'm learning. Not big into talking to strangers tho. After I learn the fight I don't use VC anymore.

It's not needed. I fight just fine without it. I'm not against others using it if they need it.

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Originally Posted by Lordgrim

This topic and it's questions is not about banning people for using voice chat.

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I was teasing with that line ^w^

I went on a pre-made Dun run on Sunday. The whole 24 man raid was on Discord. It was the smoothest, fastest, best Dun run I've ever been in.

Voice comm raids will always be superior to keyboard only.

I wouldn't even consider an Ex or Savage without voice for coordination.

I think either is good but you should really put in your ads for groups if you REQUIRE voice chat or not because some people may have issues that require that they not use discord or teamspeak.

Like I have all sound turned off on my game. I'm playing on a PC that's run through a T.V. versus a normal monitor and headphones won't work with that setup. I need to keep my room as quiet as possible right now because one of my parrots has been having seizures and birds will become very nervous and jumpy when they don't feel well. Taking all of that into account I'd look for groups that don't want voice chat. But I was in one recently that did want it, but didn't put that into their adverts, and just kept nagging and nagging me about it until I started choking over every little thing and they kicked me.

tl;dr if you're advertising a group please tell people if you're going to require it or not

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

So what you're asking is since Discord and Teamspeak and the like are third party applications that help players perform better as a team, they should be banned from XIV? :P /s

I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is to be honest. IMO it's just more fun to raid with a voice chat client on. Hell even dungeons are more fun because I can bant and fight.

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Oh yes soooooo much fun listening to the drunks, the kids whining, people blasting music, guys hitting on girls who play, etc. Thanks but no thanks. I have had my fill of voice communication in other mmos and will no longer use it.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Oh yes soooooo much fun listening to the drunks, the kids whining, people blasting music, guys hitting on girls who play, etc. Thanks but no thanks. I have had my fill of voice communication in other mmos and will no longer use it.

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I mean idk why you're on Discords that have all that shit going on at once but I generally keep to smaller chats. In dungeons it's just me and a friend talking shit to one another, and in raids it's just me and seven friends talking shit/talking mechanics when we're learning.

I have old-school habits. There was no voice chat in EQ so I got good at giving brief, informative descriptions quickly. I play on PC and prefer to run without voice chat. Headphones give me a headache after a while so I use them mostly just for cutscenes or things like needing to hear the splash on Levi EX.

I've had good and bad experiences with both voice comm and no voice comm, when we're talking weekly 2 chest/farm I believe it's more down to people's awareness than communication.

However when it comes to learning/clearing parties I think voice comm is great to learn about the fights

I think we all should consider that people have different preferences.

I personally don't chat much over voice chat, but am much chattier via the in game chat system.

I also have mild asthma, that comes & goes(In my case it makes it difficult breathe & very difficult to speak when I have bouts of it), (It can also be annoying when people think I'm being rude at times by not being talkative, when I am simply having a bout of asthma)

I find voice chat to be more convenient for dungeons or group content....but I can't type to save my life when engaged in combat with a monster.
Some people(For various reasons) may not have access to voice chat & I totally respect that.

Different strokes for different folks ;)

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

I don't think discord makes anything easier at all. It is the exact same thing as if someone knew the fight.

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So everyone who knows a fight is incapable of derping? Even the best make a mistake and having someone call something out can make a difference.

If you're playing on a PS4, how would they ban you for using voice chat?

Did coil without voice chat, did up to a2s without voice chat.

One thing I noticed after starting using voice chat - once had my computer crash while playing so I lost voice chat for that session. I was able to focus so much more on the mechanics and the fight instead of constantly listening to queues and such.

So there is a benefit to both. But I feel it depends on the person.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

It's not needed. I fight just fine without it. I'm not against others using it if they need it.

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Out of curiosity, how far have you progressed without using voice chat?

Would be interesting to hear if there even are groups that have done all Savage floors without any voice communication at all. :)

I did both, prefer with voice cause usually it funnier

I am not really sure if I should post since I dont really raid Alexander and only done Bahamut unsynch but I did leave my old raid group (FC group) after not wanting to use voice chat anymore. Yes it can make things easier but at the same time I noticed that people kinda get too used to being called out and did not react fast enough on their own without it. Also I disliked the drama going on there..if you have more than one "alpha" person in voice chat it can be stressful really fast. I also noticed that I get a headache if I stay in voice chat while fighting since there are way to many voices which makes concentration even harder..

So for me I am kinda more negative towards it but I can understand that its easier for others. In the end people should know the fight to down it and should not need call outs and I also thing that making mistakes and wiping your group might give you more reason to not make the same mistake again and be more attentive to the fights.

the fault is sony, because ps4 playes cant uses voice chat software from third parties

My g/f and i do best w/o voice. Mostly her because of her hearing sensitivities, voice chats also distract her from the game.

Then you have deaf and mute players. And the fact as someone said mmo raiding existed before voip.

Can it be fun? ya. Can it be intimidating? yes. As long as people are accepting of either, idc. The second you harass a person over it, that to me is a no no.

I personally don't join learning parties or progress parties if voice chat is mandatory. Being able to say words out loud doesn't mean you're a better player.

It's not rocket science.

Communication keeps everyone on the same page. It makes it easier to explain mechanics and discuss strategies.

But obviously if you know the fight well or every one plays to a predictable standard, then you don't need to communicate verbally if at all during the fight.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

So everyone who knows a fight is incapable of derping? Even the best make a mistake and having someone call something out can make a difference.

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I never said that.... I said voice chat is useless if you know the fight inside out. Also.... nearly all a12s voice parties don't go past phase 1 and you can try it in pf yourself :)

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Originally Posted by odette

the fault is sony, because ps4 playes cant uses voice chat software from third parties

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I don't know you, but I have a smartphone.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Consider voice chat wasn't always around when Final Fantasy XI, World of Warcraft first started voice over internet programs (VoIP) such as Discord, Teamspeak the like were not around or not very popular/well known.

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Here we go again, I do know a lot of people wish that WoW was the solution to a lot of new ideas/inventions/new genre of gaming etc, but it wasn't, as well as it wasn't the first mmo. There have been other voice programs prior, you know the time before wow was even a thing ?! I understand a lot of today's gamer's weren't around to that time, or not aware of things like that since they weren't implemented for their genre of games etc. For example there was Battlecom, GameVoice and much later on Ventrillo, Mumble, Teamspeak, Discord, Kik were added, and I am pretty sure there's plenty more of these programs, that I can't think off right now.

to the OP, we've played games back in the day and never needed any voice communication. While I do agree it's quicker when using these kind of programs compared to actual typing, I still think it's not necessary. After my first static broke (ts/discord/mumble mandatory even outside of raid times), I tested plenty of other servers, different statics, fc's, cleared lots of content via DF/PF and let me tell you, it was so much more enjoyable than listening to a bunch of people 10+ hrs a day. But those times are gone and with the new generation of gamers/gaming, that's the first thing people will ask you: Do you have VoIP & a microphone?

Sad times.