The Great Debate on Progressing through Raids without voice chat and with voice chat

[Lordgrim]

Hi community i want to get your take on this subject on the situation of raiding in final fantasy 14.

Share your experiences of Raiding Extreme and Savage Raids without using voice chat services and with using voice chat services.

Share your successful and unsuccessful stories of not using voice chat and using voice chat during Extreme and Savage.

Keep in mind the game was built with keyboard communication and long dungeon battle timers to successfully accomplish each challenge.

Let the Great Debate Begin

[Dualgunner]

So what you're asking is since Discord and Teamspeak and the like are third party applications that help players perform better as a team, they should be banned from XIV? :P /s

I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is to be honest. IMO it's just more fun to raid with a voice chat client on. Hell even dungeons are more fun because I can bant and fight.

[Shougun]

You can coordinate faster/better with voice chat (dynamically, macro for certain stuff is better), this makes everything easier. Con not everyone wants to do the hoops to get voice chat running, and not everyone has equal hoops they have to jump through (time of day, language, phone with app or pc with program, buy acceptable mic, find a quiet area / learn to use push to talk, be heard and judged for your voice - although if your raid group is going to not like you for that then perhaps you shouldn't be raiding with them lol).

If you want to do better easier then you get voice chat.. It's not impossible of course - like the whole parser no parser thing, but it simply allows faster therefore better dynamic coordination. Your fingers are already pretty busy. Although for easier content like regular dungeons its just really a social experience not much to worry about.

Fun thing to me is seeing the chatty voice chat vs deathly quiet, or even better when someone made the rule no talking but call out every little thing - included the most obvious. Tornado! Uh, yeah - only way you can't see it is if you're afk dude. lol.

Hit and miss with random people, also probably the moments people are most afraid to join in due to judgement (or not in an environment that a mic would be acceptable). IMO if you like your peeps, voice chat is great.

[Lunafreya]

I don't think discord makes anything easier at all. It is the exact same thing as if someone knew the fight.

[Krokov]

Consider voice chat wasn't always around when Final Fantasy XI, World of Warcraft first started voice over internet programs (VoIP) such as Discord, Teamspeak the like were not around or not very popular/well known.

Yet people did the raids using keyboards and whatever other means of communication. Using the voice chat just makes it quicker or easier to give up commands orders and what to do during a raid fight or something similar.

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[ErikMynhier]

If you ban for discord use Balmung will be empty lol.

Beyond being a bad idea, how would this even be enforced.

[Arutan]

I tried to PU without voice chat in savage. i'll never do it again.

[Zojha]

Well, my own experiences are mostly positive, but I only do voice chat with people I at least loosely know beforehand. Otherwise, even an integrated voice chat is off by default for me and I personally almost never speak myself - too much hate for my own voice.

It's useful to save typing time and it's almost required if you want to coordinate something while the fight is running, since you need your hands free. It's also useful for callouts, since you sometimes forget what was coming next or tunnel vision. In a good group that knows the fight in and out, it doesn't really seem necessary however.

And that's pretty much it.

[Lordgrim]

So what you're asking is since Discord and Teamspeak and the like are third party applications that help players perform better as a team, they should be banned from XIV? :P /s

I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is to be honest. IMO it's just more fun to raid with a voice chat client on. Hell even dungeons are more fun because I can bant and fight.

This topic and it's questions is not about banning people for using voice chat.

[Newmanxeno]

I like it when I'm learning. Not big into talking to strangers tho. After I learn the fight I don't use VC anymore.