[Dev Request] Purchasable Allagan Pieces for Transfering

So I have a few friends who want to transfer from Balmung to another server, but the problem is they have a lot of gil and don't want to just give it up due to the gil transfer limit. I know this is an issue for a lot of people who would gladly transfer off big servers like balmung to less populated servers that have housing available but the biggest issue is the fact that they would lose a lot of gil in the process.

Would it be possible to have a vendor where we could purchase Allagan/Clear Demi pieces or some form of currency exchange so we don't lose the majority of the gil we have?

And if you're worried about it too much you could make the currency pieces cost more to purchase than they are to sell. Say for Tin pieces it could cost 50 gil to purchase with a 25 gil sell back rate. Bronze 150. Silver 600, Gold 2,750, Platinum 11k.

Unless someone can say otherwise; I don't see how this could be in any way game breaking or unfair.

You can do that by buying the gold and silver pieces from the marketboard. Just buy them from the marketboard and the sell them back once you transfer.

If SE wanted us to transfer more Gil, they would remove the cap.

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

You can do that by buying the gold and silver pieces from the marketboard. Just buy them from the marketboard and the sell them back once you transfer.

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I'm aware... but sometimes the prices of the pieces are more than they want to spend. You also have the issue of the pieces selling out and becoming far more expensive than their intended sell price thus making it to where you loose far more than you want.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

I'm aware... but sometimes the prices of the pieces are more than they want to spend.

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Oh ok. Well I doubt SE will change their system because they don't want people transferring too much money and messing up the economy of servers. That it why the limit is in place. I do think they should raise it some because there is more gil in circulation.

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

Oh ok. Well I doubt SE will change their system because they don't want people transferring too much money and messing up the economy of servers. That it why the limit is in place. I do think they should raise it some because there is more gil in circulation.

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Agreed. Yet they aren't really keeping a decent eye on the economy as Balmung's economy is absolutely crap compared to other servers on our data center. Eikon cloth sells for about 4k per cloth on Balmung, on Jenova it's near 100k per cloth.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

If SE wanted us to transfer more Gil, they would remove the cap.

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Indeed, which is I suspect why they left the back door option of buying the coins on the MB from others in the game. Kind of an unofficial way for you to take more if you want/need to.

Check the server marketboard you're planning to transfer to and buy items that could have same or higher value so you spend your gil into items that you could re-sell there. It's risky because you might not end up selling everything, but like someone else said, I don't think SE wants to transfer all the money that could disrupt different world economies, otherwise there wouldn't be a cap.

Essentially OP is asking for gil limits on server transfers to be removed. Raising the price of the allagan pieces above their sell value just incurs a transfer tax, but still removes the limit.

Generally when people transfer, they can get around the limit by buying commodity items and reselling at the destination. It's inefficient, but allows a lot of wealth to transfer based on the relative economies. That inefficiency limits the use of the feature for the sole purpose of trading between server economies.

In the case of a Balmung -> Lower pop transfer, those 'friends' should be making a ton of money on the transfer. They can buy up high demand goods that are cheap on Balmung and sell them at the destination for much more. So there is absolutely no need for a gil limit boost or allagan pieces. Goods are relatively cheap on Balmung compared to any low/mid pop server. Why aren't they doing that?

Could it be they also want to transfer back to Balmung later after making the many millions of gil required to buy a Balmung house? That is why the transfer limit exits! It prevents Balmung from constantly dumping goods into other servers by capping the gil on return and even acts as a disincentive to transfer to high pop servers, helping control Balmung's population a little.

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Originally Posted by Rinari

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Balmung still sees more people transferring to the server rather than off and I'm sure those transferring to Balmung would like to keep all their gil given Balmung's terrible economy. Not all servers share the "buy cheap on old server, sell for more on new server" gist. Some are in the same boat as Balmung.

I had finally convinced someone who had an alt on Balmung to transfer their main from Jenova, Jenova being an easy server to make gil on; they had over 20+ mil in gil but they had to give it all up by buying items they didn't really need that wouldn't sell well on Balmung regardless due to the influx of said items currently on our market board. He was only able to transfer 1.8 mil in gil and make an additional 3.2 mil on our server due to the economic crisis our server has in regards to the influx of new people wanting to come here.

Honestly I've done the buy cheap on Balmung sell for more on low pop servers and the amount of real money that goes into doing that to transfer gil back to your original server isn't really worth it, then again I don't make much on my paychecks to begin with. But if and when an official RP server is EVER announced, I would like to transfer the gil I have towards the new server and not have to go through the mess of an economy similar to that of Balmungs.

There is also what was mentioned that sometimes the items they choose to buy will not sell on the new server of their choosing. Sure you can do all the research you want, watch the markets of the server you plan to go to, check the previous listings and what they sold for, but that doesn't guarantee that what you buy on your old server will sell for that amount on your new one.

I've watched markets back when I used to do what I mentioned above on an item worth 30k consistently on another server and I made a bunch of said item only to find out when I transfer the price dropped to 5k with no sign of going back up. It's a gamble. But why not eliminate the gamble for those who want to truthfully transfer to a lower population server where they can actually purchase a house?

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Would it be possible to have a vendor where we could purchase Allagan/Clear Demi pieces or some form of currency exchange so we don't lose the majority of the gil we have?

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No they won't add a NPC for this, that make the rule pointless and might as well just take it away instead of placing a NPC for this purpose.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

I'm aware... but sometimes the prices of the pieces are more than they want to spend. You also have the issue of the pieces selling out and becoming far more expensive than their intended sell price thus making it to where you loose far more than you want.

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Well, your choices are either buy those pieces at a premium and get to keep some of your gil, or don't and lose all of it. I doubt SE is going to do anything to remove one of the few gil sinks the game has, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

So I have a few friends who want to transfer from Balmung to another server, but the problem is they have a lot of gil and don't want to just give it up due to the gil transfer limit. I know this is an issue for a lot of people who would gladly transfer off big servers like balmung to less populated servers that have housing available but the biggest issue is the fact that they would lose a lot of gil in the process.

Unless someone can say otherwise; I don't see how this could be in any way game breaking or unfair.

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Please remove the limitation on Gil transfer!

Make Gil Untradeable!

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

I'm sure those transferring to Balmung would like to keep all their gil given Balmung's terrible economy.

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That's the point! It's a disincentive to transfer to larger servers. Do you want more people on Balmung and an even 'worse' economy? Because removing the restrictions is how you'd get more people on Balmung and a worse economy ('worse' in this context being hyper efficient to where the cost of labor drops to nearly nothing). Right now, the restriction makes it profitable to transfer away from Balmung and costly to transfer to Balmung. That throws a big kink into any round-trip money making schemes and helps keep people off of Balmung. Balmung get's to be less bloated and smaller servers get to keep their economies intact.

Do realize that just because you can't afford to spend $36 to transfer 8 characters and 64 retainers worth of goods between and gil on a round trip gil making venture doesn't mean that others can't. The devs have to design the rules around people who will do that. The rules we have aren't perfect, but dropping the gil moving restriction would mean even worse problems. In this case, you'd probably have Balmung stuck with long prime-time ques while small servers get flooded with Balmung goods. Lose-Lose. No thanks!

I don't think you have to worry about the devs ever creating an official RP server. As much as I, and many, would love to see it, there are at least as many out there that would throw a fit. Much of Balmung's RP community would go berserk if any other server got the RP tag because they 'don't want to fragment the community'...despite the obvious fact the community is fragmented by excluding all those RPers that don't want to deal with Balmung's problems. I can just imagine the epic battles between Balmung RPers that own houses and the Balmung RPers that want to move to the new RP server with available housing.

If it does happen though, you don't have to worry about losing gil if you're willing to play smart! Just do the same thing you should do going to any smaller economy server. Buy Balmung's cheap goods with your excess gil and sell them when you get to the other server. There are plenty of commodity items that get bought pretty fast. In the event of a mass exodus, the profit margins and speed of sales will sink due to all the competition, but you should still be able to come out with a tidy profit if you're a little patient on the sales side.

Honestly though, if there ever is an official RP server, I'd rather it be a new server entirely with transfers locked for a year to let it get a fresh start. That would be fun and I think the community there would benefit from being shielded from all the baggage that comes from established characters jumping in from all over...and not just talking Balmung. A lot of us RPers don't like overfilled servers so we're all over the place!

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

It's a gamble. But why not eliminate the gamble for those who want to truthfully transfer to a lower population server where they can actually purchase a house?

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Because SE doesn't want to make it easily abusable and disrupt different worlds economies. If it was up to them, they would probably even prevent us from buying items and reselling them, but they can't do that without making players not being able to transfer items at all, which would hurt everyone who transfers. So you can do that, but it's at your own risk. I personally used to make millions of gil a day effortless just by selling several runs a day on a big server, and when I transfered to this really small one for static purposes, everything here was double if not triple more expensive. I made a lot of extra gil by selling things that would cost less than 100k gil on my previous server, and would be like 300-400k on the small one. Now imagine transfering all that money back to the previous one, people could abuse this so easily (rl cost tho) and would completely break the market.