How to make Leve's Better.

I personally really enjoyed the idea of Leves ever since seeing them in the cinematic, although, we all know the reality is very different.

Whilst I understand Leves/Questing (Especially Leves) were more of the vision of the original FFXIV, they could still be improved to be worth while.

Currently, Leve XP doesn't compare to Party or PL exp, making them only useful source of leveling when a party cannot be found.

The item rewards do not compare to what you could easily gather within the same amount of time.

Company Leves give almost no Seals for the time/effort involved.

So unfortunately, the only leves that seem to be worth doing are crafting leves.

I have some suggestions off the top of my head, as to how the whole leve experience could be improved:

• Adjust rewards to reflect time/difficulty (eg 15 Min Leve Defense with rubbish rewards)
• Make the final mob interesting (eg unique mob with unique abilities instead of a couple of imps that are exactly the same model, same skin and with the same abilities as all other imps)
• Chance! - Chance to obtain rare item/mob obtained only through leve
• Allow guardian aspect for Faction Leve - All other classes are given the option to do this, Crafting shouldn't be discriminated.
• Chocobo Race Leve - Chocobo Racing with items along the map to grant chocobo speed. (Like Chocobo Racing in FFX)
• Golden Leves - After completing a certain amount of leves in one day/Randomly Generated, player is rewarded with a golden leve. Golden leve gives a large gil/xp/item bonus.
• Dungeon Leves with variable rewards (EG Kill Ifrit within 12 minutes Reward = A Reward, Kill Ifrit Within 13 minutes - Reward = B)
• Aerial Gathering Leves - Once Jump/Flying Mounts are introduced, some nodes are aerial and require jumping/flying to retrieve.
• Item Required Crafting Leves - Can only create set item after learning the recipe first for crafting it for an NPC (Perhaps a Rare Leve?)

I believe that if some of these ideas were implemented, people would be less inclined to sit on 99 leves. Repeatable quests should be valuable even to classes that are maxed IMO.

How do you think the Leves could be improved?

Content that is some what fun with a wide variety of tasks!? No thanks!
Get outz of my ffxiv!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rau

Content that is some what fun with a wide variety of tasks!? No thanks!
Get outz of my ffxiv!

---

Repeatable content that isn't mind numbingly repetitive? The mere thought of it is mind boggling.

These are good ideas.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Avraym

Repeatable content that isn't mind numbingly repetitive? The mere thought of it is mind boggling.

---

He was being sarcastic i believe. =P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lienn

He was being sarcastic i believe. =P

---

So was I :P

Taking the leves out of this game while drastic, would be the only way the developers will ever make proper content for this game that isn't watered down to leve format.

I loved doing leves with my friends. It was fun at the lower levels to do the ones with 3 sheep at the end and try and take them down. While they are fun, there are many that are soooo repetitive it's stupid. I think we should have more of the faction leves that give random mobs like the Ixali and whatnot and also haveing some special mobs at the end. Great Idea.

As for crafting leves, can we get a better reward at the end? I know they are adding rewards based on quality (or if it's HQ) but will leves be able to be HQ?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Searious

These are good ideas.

---

I must agree. I would like some of these ideas

Only thing I found fault with was the assumption that there will be any flying in the game. While I know as much as you do about it, I think the Ahriman mount (if it even gets implemented) was meant more to hover more so than fly. You'd still be on the same plane as a ground mount. I guess this would be a good question for Yoshi-P if he feels that we should have the ability to fly on our own in the future. There would have to be significant content designed around it for it to be put in the game in my opinion.

No flying, no jumping, no swimming. please. think of the chocobos.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Orophin

Only thing I found fault with was the assumption that there will be any flying in the game. While I know as much as you do about it, I think the Ahriman mount (if it even gets implemented) was meant more to hover more so than fly. You'd still be on the same plane as a ground mount. I guess this would be a good question for Yoshi-P if he feels that we should have the ability to fly on our own in the future. There would have to be significant content designed around it for it to be put in the game in my opinion.

---

Offtopic: I personally would prefer if flying wasn't implemented. Any MMORPG i've played where you can fly, you just shortcut everything, Skipping almost all content along the way.

Ontop: So, nobody has any more ideas?

Well, you already gave a lot of great ideas in your post, so all I can really say is that I wholeheartedly agree. Leves are the lifeblood for me and a couple of my friends since we mostly solo/duo/three-man content. The effort to reward/time spent ratio should be proportional depending on the leve (the "defense" ones definitely - those are stupid). There should be a greater variety of mobs, and perhaps small minibosses (not NMs, I'm tired of people calling end-of-raid/quest mobs instanced NMs) we can fight at the finishing (or even middle!) of the leve.

Other things they can do is make a leve that has ALL of the goals from several leves combined. For example, make a leve that lets you start off the leve with a defense mission that lasts 5 minutes, then transition to a "second phase" where you have to do a necrologos-style discovery mission and then top it off with a simple "hunt this target down" mission that ends with a small miniboss for you to fight at the end.

Actually... why DON'T they do that? That would be mad fun to play. Tons of variety in just one leve.

The big thing I would love to see brought to leves is a little more variety along with a dash of strategy. Embracing the TMTOWTDI mentality wouldn't hurt either. (There's More Than One Way To Do It.)


I like the sound of chocobo racing, having speed runs, and maybe even making deliveries between camps. (Watch out! If you get hit, you might break/drop whatever you're carrying...)

• Smuggling items from city to city via airship? (Blatantly taken from FFXIV but wait... there's more!) If you happen to get pulled aside for acting suspiciously, you get to parley yourself out of it. And since this is a wishlist of wants, let's make parley more interesting, a heck of a lot more responsive and just all around more engaging. (This is more of a repeated quest than a leve quest, but I'm going to leave it here.)
  
  
• Guardian leves - Your guardian has tasks that need to get done. She is sending you on a mission... for Her.
  
  
• Field Testing - A researcher, Ima Tuscared, has come up with this great item, but desperately needs it tested out in the field first. What you need to do can vary each time, especially depending what the item is.

  For example:

  If the item is a weapon, you need to do a certain amount of damage, or perform a certain number of weaponskills before returning.

  If the item is armor, you need to take a certain amount of damage or get hit with a certain number of weaponskills before returning.

• Fishing Fatalities - Similar to the Necrologos leves. Attacks on local fisherman are on the rise, you need to head to the closest fishing spot and place bait at the various ??? points to draw out the creatures and make the waters safe once again. Same thing could work for Mining and Botany nodes locations, Mining Mishaps and Harrowing Harvests.
  

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by normalforce

The big thing I would love to see brought to leves is a little more variety along with a dash of strategy. Embracing the TMTOWTDI mentality wouldn't hurt either. (There's More Than One Way To Do It.)


I like the sound of chocobo racing, having speed runs, and maybe even making deliveries between camps. (Watch out! If you get hit, you might break/drop whatever you're carrying...)

• Smuggling items from city to city via airship? (Blatantly taken from FFXIV but wait... there's more!) If you happen to get pulled aside for acting suspiciously, you get to parley yourself out of it. And since this is a wishlist of wants, let's make parley more interesting, a heck of a lot more responsive and just all around more engaging. (This is more of a repeated quest than a leve quest, but I'm going to leave it here.)
  
  
• Guardian leves - Your guardian has tasks that need to get done. She is sending you on a mission... for Her.
  
  
• Field Testing - A researcher, Ima Tuscared, has come up with this great item, but desperately needs it tested out in the field first. What you need to do can vary each time, especially depending what the item is.

  For example:

  If the item is a weapon, you need to do a certain amount of damage, or perform a certain number of weaponskills before returning.

  If the item is armor, you need to take a certain amount of damage or get hit with a certain number of weaponskills before returning.

• Fishing Fatalities - Similar to the Necrologos leves. Attacks on local fisherman are on the rise, you need to head to the closest fishing spot and place bait at the various ??? points to draw out the creatures and make the waters safe once again. Same thing could work for Mining and Botany nodes locations, Mining Mishaps and Harrowing Harvests.
  

---

Nice suggestions. I liked all of them.

Mostly good ideas :) /liked

1.) GuildLeve Chains: If a particular Leve sends you to a camp, upon completion of that Leve an NPC at that camp then offers you a related Leve that sends you to a Hamlet (or outpost or cave, etc.) which upon completion starts another Leve that sends you further into the wilderness, then eventually to another Aetherite Camp in a new zone. It may be too linear for some tastes but it would give the illusion of progress.

2.) GuildLeve Bonus Runs: If you complete a 1 Star Leve and qualify for the Early Completion Bonus, an NPC at the camp is so impressed that he/she offers you another run of the same Leve but at 2 Star level. If you get the Early Completion Bonus again, you get offered a 3 star repeat, all the way up to 5 stars. You would be allowed to group up with others to continue the chain.
Imagine peeps at camps shouting for groups instead of just soloing in silence.

My opinion is leves are nothing more than a poor knock off of the quest system found in WoW and other mmos.
When you can grind the same exp or more by simply solo grinding, there really is no need for it.
The reward of gil is also a joke as you can easily farm mats to sell while grinding and make a much better profit, and not have 50 random items that don't stack.

I hope to see the leve system completely replaced in 2.0 with something that is actually fun and rewarding.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Akuun

My opinion is leves are nothing more than a poor knock off of the quest system found in WoW and other mmos.
When you can grind the same exp or more by simply solo grinding, there really is no need for it.
The reward of gil is also a joke as you can easily farm mats to sell while grinding and make a much better profit, and not have 50 random items that don't stack.

I hope to see the leve system completely replaced in 2.0 with something that is actually fun and rewarding.

---

Your points are all valid and i agree, except for replacing the leve system. I think it could be salvaged / improved rather than removed from the game.

I duo battle leves often. They have their good points, but there is certainly room for improvement.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Avraym

Adjust rewards to reflect time/difficulty (eg 15 Min Leve Defense with rubbish rewards)

---

I've always thought the defensive leves had untapped potential. The faster you kill the mobs, the faster they should come at you. Maybe add in random mini-boss mobs that lead to special rewards if you defeat them. The more mobs you kill in your allotted defense time, the more chances you have to encounter the mini-boss.

Or have something real to defend. Like some NPCs.

Quote:

---

Golden Leves - After completing a certain amount of leves in one day/Randomly Generated, player is rewarded with a golden leve. Golden leve gives a large gil/xp/item bonus.

---

The leve evaluation bonus is nice and all, but pretty weak. Whether it is special leves or special rewards, should be something more interesting as a bonus.

Faction leve rewards should be overhauled to make them more attractive since the faction credits are one of the rewards for completing leves.

I think it would be nice to have special "Golden Leves" available for completing a chain of regular leves. Say you complete all of the rank 40 Necrologos leves from all three cities. Then you should be eligible for a special Necrologos leve that ends with a summoned NM. Or at least a signed copy of the Necrologos for your coffee table.

Quote:

---

Dungeon Leves with variable rewards (EG Kill Ifrit within 12 minutes Reward = A Reward, Kill Ifrit Within 13 minutes - Reward = B)

---

The Ifrit quest utilized existing NMs and gave you a reason to travel across the three regions and hunt them. You could do something similar with guild leves. Leves that task you with hunting various NMs for additional rewards (or a better chance at their prized drops). Leves that reward you for optional dungeon objectives, like collecting wolf hides from the Natalan stronghold or beating Ifrit on Archer. Special leve rewards can be a nice way to repurpose underutilized content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Davorok

GuildLeve Chains: If a particular Leve sends you to a camp, upon completion of that Leve an NPC at that camp then offers you a related Leve that sends you to a Hamlet (or outpost or cave, etc.) which upon completion starts another Leve that sends you further into the wilderness, then eventually to another Aetherite Camp in a new zone. It may be too linear for some tastes but it would give the illusion of progress.

---

I like this idea for quest chains. Start at one camp and then travel around the map some, continuing your quest at the satellite camps or hamlets. One thing I do like about the current battle leve system is that it gets you out to different camps to see the world.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Avraym

Your points are all valid and i agree, except for replacing the leve system. I think it could be salvaged / improved rather than removed from the game.

---

I just feel that the time spent fixing it would probably take longer than just replacing it with something else.
For example, for them to fix the current game engine, it would take years, vs simply replacing it with a better engine which will only take a year or so.