[REQUEST] Allow players to remove the "Shadewalker" effect.

Greetings. I'm posting this here as, "GM Unurlotho" told me this would be the best spot to put this. I wanted to ask for a small change to Shadewalker, the NIN 56 skill. By this, I mean I would like to be able to remove the buff it grants to move enmity should the NIN or the target choose to.

So explaining reasoning, I just got through with a Palace of the dead having to kick a player using the skill to attempt to wipe the party. They'd use it on me, then pull as many enemies as they can. Since it transfers 80%, I'd end up with more enmity, putting me and the party near me at risk.

As it is currently, I cannot remove the buff, neither as the target or as the ninja himself. Being able to toy with that much enmity can be harmful to players it was never intended to be used on. We already can remove smokescreen, so it's odd to me we can't remove Shadewalker.

I won't be able to troll my friends as much as before anymore but I support this.

It can't be removed? I mean even with right click (mouse) on the status icon?

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Originally Posted by Mirch

It can't be removed? I mean even with right click (mouse) on the status icon?

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It cannot. I tried it with a friend before posting to. Neither of us could remove the effect.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

It can't be removed? I mean even with right click (mouse) on the status icon?

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Certain effects cannot be canceled by the player.

No more mini-heart attacks for your poor healer. I support this.

I hope you gave the GM that players name and they come down on him for this. It's sad some people only find fun in tormenting others.

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Originally Posted by Gokuhan

I hope you gave the GM that players name and they come down on him for this. It's sad some people only find fun in tormenting others.

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I reported it and got a response in ten minutes. I've already fixed the issue with the player harming me, and have the player blacklisted.

However, this lack of power in Shadewalker is part of the reason the issue happened in the first place.

..That one time I accidentally put it on the healer in the vault >~<;

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Originally Posted by Ash_

..That one time I accidentally put it on the healer in the vault >~<;

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Okay even more reason. :D For little mistakes. I've done that before too awkwardly enough.

I've had trolls use it on me while I'm healing during extreme primal fights. I don't understand the reasoning on why we can't remove it, we should be able to.

Easy fix is to have it only be able to be applied to someone who is a tank and that will forever solve the issue.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

Easy fix is to have it only be able to be applied to someone who is a tank and that will forever solve the issue.

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If they do that we will not be able to do some solo tank/no tank challenge for fun without having the boss running everywhere.
Right-click is enough.

Tbh it's sad we have to "fix" a skill because some people think it's "fun" to potentially ruin the run of a group.
(when it's not on purpose you can still decide to lower your dps to not give enough aggro)

The problem is the specific intent here, not the skill. Skill doesn't need to be changed and shouldn't be; however you'd certainly have a valid report to make showing they were griefing you in this case. Just do that (if you haven't already).

This is a good idea.

Can we also make it so the debuff from Trick Attack will apply to enemies even when flanking? It's bad enough that it doesn't do its full damage unless you're behind the enemy, but not even applying the debuff is pretty painful when it takes 60 seconds to be able to try again.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

The problem is the specific intent here, not the skill. Skill doesn't need to be changed and shouldn't be; however you'd certainly have a valid report to make showing they were griefing you in this case. Just do that (if you haven't already).

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I already reported, but the problem still stands. This change would only hurt one thing, griefers. Before today, I didn't even know there were buffs I couldn't remove that were player related.

Like literally this only hurts the bad intents. Why should the player targeted be forced to take 80% of the ninja's enmity? Or more importantly, what if the ninja made a mistake and gave it to the wrong person. Are you going to tell a ninja to stop dpsing for 12 seconds?

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

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I applaud whoever did this. It's an excellent trolling material and super smart, applause again.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

This is a good idea.

Can we also make it so the debuff from Trick Attack will apply to enemies even when flanking? It's bad enough that it doesn't do its full damage unless you're behind the enemy, but not even applying the debuff is pretty painful when it takes 60 seconds to be able to try again.

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No. Definitely no.
While this sometimes happens to me too, I realize that it is usually my fault because I
1. didn't position myself properly
and / or
2. forgot that Duty Finder tanks don't have anything better to do than to fight over aggro and rotate the boss as they'd like all the time.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

Easy fix is to have it only be able to be applied to someone who is a tank and that will forever solve the issue.

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Idea isn't bad, but here's a little story from my static in A11S.
We went in as usual, killed it several times, and everything went normal until the E.D.D. in the last phase popped up and you heard a loud "FUCK!" on teamspeak from our ninnin.
Our OT likes a shadewalker for it for dps reasons and our ninnin is ok with it, until that one try where he accidentally shadewalked me (the MT) and not the OT. So I ended up with aggro from E.D.D. and Cruise Chaser. Everybody's following E.D.D. and got cleaved by the laser sword that came just_right.jpg and the whirlwind gave everybody the rest.
Wouldn't have happened if shadewalker was removable.

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Originally Posted by Ketsune

Idea isn't bad, but here's a little story from my static in A11S.
We went in as usual, killed it several times, and everything went normal until the E.D.D. in the last phase popped up and you heard a loud "FUCK!" on teamspeak from our ninnin.
Our OT likes a shadewalker for it for dps reasons and our ninnin is ok with it, until that one try where he accidentally shadewalked me (the MT) and not the OT. So I ended up with aggro from E.D.D. and Cruise Chaser. Everybody's following E.D.D. and got cleaved by the laser sword that came just_right.jpg and the whirlwind gave everybody the rest.
Wouldn't have happened if shadewalker was removable.

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That honestly sounds funny and sad at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Ketsune

Idea isn't bad, but here's a little story from my static in A11S.
We went in as usual, killed it several times, and everything went normal until the E.D.D. in the last phase popped up and you heard a loud "FUCK!" on teamspeak from our ninnin.
Our OT likes a shadewalker for it for dps reasons and our ninnin is ok with it, until that one try where he accidentally shadewalked me (the MT) and not the OT. So I ended up with aggro from E.D.D. and Cruise Chaser. Everybody's following E.D.D. and got cleaved by the laser sword that came just_right.jpg and the whirlwind gave everybody the rest.
Wouldn't have happened if shadewalker was removable.

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I'm guessing that created a bit of an "Ooops" moment. I laughed hard at it but I can understand the NIN was probably feeling like rubbish. It was an honest mistake so please make sure he doesn't beat himself up over it. If I was in that group I'd have pissed myself laughing.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I'm guessing that created a bit of an "Ooops" moment. I laughed hard at it but I can understand the NIN was probably feeling like rubbish. It was an honest mistake so please make sure he doesn't beat himself up over it. If I was in that group I'd have pissed myself laughing.

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Same, but at the very least removing shadewalker would have fixed that.

I'm surprised that such griefing isn't more common place.

I remember when the new 3.0 NINs skills were 1st announced people thought that it would be easy to troll groups via applying Smoke Screen on tank and then Shadewalker to the healer.

I'm scratching my head here wondering why we have any buff that can't be removed, especially those bestowed by another player.