MRD tanking skills

I joined a pt as MRD lvl38 and asked to be a tank. I was horribale, my tanking was really bad. I thought "well since its my first time thats to be expected".

But then I discovered that I need alot of abilities and skills from other classes. After checking with ppl in my LS, they told me I need to get this and that from almost every class.

I really dont wanna lvl another class to thier 30s just to get an abilities (espacially not before patch 1.20 hits)

So, what are the "must have" skills I need to get to be a decent tank in parties? (not taking about end-fgame).?
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tldr: What are the most important tanking abilies I must get to be a decent tank in groups?

Depends on what you were tanking, honestly. Were you AoE-burning mobs, or just taking one at a time? What exactly was the issue you were having with tanking? (example: holding threat? dying too quickly? etc.) What kind of gear do you have currently?

I am talking mainly about AoE tanking, lvl39 atm wich Steal Set.

My main problem was holding aggro.

Yes, you need to level sub classes. This was the same in FFXI.

It's not really the best time to worry about tanking sets since everything might be changing in 1-2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles

I am talking mainly about AoE tanking, lvl39 atm wich Steal Set.

My main problem was holding aggro.

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Run into mob, pop warmonger.

Use sentinel to mitigate damage.

Link mobs, as much as you can, use Second Wind II to claim orange mobs and generate hate.

Full Swing or Broad swing for Instant 3000 TP

Keen Flurry + Brandish Brandish

or

Brandish Circle Slash

Use Leg Sweep if you need to for the stun

Get stragglers with provoke or taunt.

Reduce mage hate in a pinch with accomplice.


Rank up till you get Storms Path, then use that instead.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Run into mob, pop warmonger.

Use sentinel to mitigate damage.

Link mobs, as much as you can, use Second Wind II to claim orange mobs and generate hate.

Full Swing or Broad swing for Instant 3000 TP

Keen Flurry + Brandish Brandish

or

Brandish Circle Slash

Use Leg Sweep if you need to for the stun

Get stragglers with provoke or taunt.

Reduce mage hate in a pinch with accomplice.


Rank up till you get Storms Path, then use that instead.

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Thx, i will try this.

Also, use a throwing axe to help pull from long distance.

Another fast way to pull is to just target a mob and then run through it. Your auto attack will hit it, even though it'll look like you hit the mob after you run through it. Just keep targeting the next mob and running through it.

Ok a long discusion started in my LS about the diffrence between Taunt/Provoke/Disorient. So are they really any diffrent?

I know that Warmonger is my AOE taunt, but what should I use when it comes to single target?

They are different but it doesn't matter. As a Marauder your main source of hate is doing massive damage in combination with using Defender (increased emnity when under steadfast stance). Warmonger and Taunt are just nicer because because they focus the mob's attention on you for a short period of time no matter how much hate you have, giving you time to generate more hate through damage.

The biggest question probably still is what the sistuation was that caused you to suck. I'm mostly guessing that you fought mobs that were too high, you weren't able to do decent damage (so no hate generation) and as a result the mob(s) ran to the healers (because you took a lot of damage yourself).

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Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles

Ok a long discusion started in my LS about the diffrence between Taunt/Provoke/Disorient. So are they really any diffrent?

I know that Warmonger is my AOE taunt, but what should I use when it comes to single target?

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Taunt - Generates 242 enmity, puts a "taunted" debuff on the target, and forces the target to attack you for about 1-2 seconds while the "tauntrf" debuff is active on the mob.

Provoke - Generates 402 enmity only.

Warmonger - Generates 0 enmity, puts an "enraged" debuff on all mobs in range, and forces the mobs to attack you for about 1-2 seconds while the "enraged" debuff is active. It also puts a buff on yourself that increases enmity generation for about 20 seconds.

Enmity values are for a rank 50 class. Taken from here:

http://kanican.livejournal.com/54373.html


Use all three on single targets. Whatever's not on cooldown.

^^And Disorient is actually about on par with Taunt (too lazy to look up exact numbers) with a much shorter cooldown.

Does using an ability delay autoattack? Because if spamming abilities delays tp generation/weaponskill damage too much, you might actually be hurting yourself in the emnity generation.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Does using an ability delay autoattack? Because if spamming abilities delays tp generation/weaponskill damage too much, you might actually be hurting yourself in the emnity generation.

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Yeah was wondering about auto-attack swing. From what I can tell, yes if u spam your abilities the auto-attack wont happen and thus no TP.

since MRD has 4-4.5 sec swing timer I find myself alot in situations where I am thinking "should I pop the ability now, or wait right after the next swing?"

The auto-attack itself is not very strong but it adds up I geuss, plus the fact that you get alot of TP per hit.

The problem of AA will be the removal of basic actions. Right now you can time a swing to get TP...but after 1.20 TP generation might become a issue (again) to MRDs.

Unless they turn AA into a separated system (like FFXI AA) where only specific actions (the ones whose effect triggers at next attack only, like raging strike is here) would actually delay it, MRD might have enmity/DD issues again...because standing by for 5 seconds to miss the mob is already well known o not work well (vide FFXI DRK).

Or they could just seperate the AA from abilities, meaning AA will go off even if you are using a skill.

Eh I think it's too early to judge whether or not MRD will have any problems with AA/TP generation next patch. We have yet to receive specific information that would determine it's role, such as ability/ws cooldowns, traits, etc.

MRD could very well become the biggest beast next patch for all we know currently. Only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles

Or they could just seperate the AA from abilities, meaning AA will go off even if you are using a skill.

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It's what i said. FFXI AA is calculated separated...only certain actions actually have impact to AA but, fot most of them, it just keep going regardless of what you do.