Severs seperated by language. Discussion.

I am against it.

i'm not a fan of it either honestly. i do get annoyed when someone shouts in another language and scrolls my screen, but there are also many people on that speak multiple languages and have friends that speak a different one. if the most i have to deal with is the occasional shout i have nothing to worry about. just because i speak one language and another i speak very little of does not mean i should take the fun some others have when they have friends from multiple countries with different languages that they enjoy talking to. i'm there to have fun not dictate to others what they should find as fun. if someone annoys me by constant shouts i just blacklist them regardless of what language they speak.

i guess this was my long way of saying i agree and am against it.

Since I know who you are Reika you will not be suprised by my response but I am for it. I like being on a server with a large population of people that can easily speak to me. However I do not believe SE will ever do this.

I like how in wow you can log on and there is a lot of discussion. You can ask for help in a zone by typing something like "where is the monster for this quest around here?" and get a response. Auto translate is pretty rigid. All of your open communication is unnatural sounding like Mission 1-4 Can you help?

I think if people tried to open up more it would be better. I see a lot of English shouts in Ul'Dah on Besaid but not much in Japanese, French, or German.

been talked and -retalked and over-retalked during the FFXI hey-days. it's never gonna happen. thankfully.

I actually do not like seeing a stream of auto-translation words. For one, not every language has the same word order in their sentences, so its not even very readable regardless. I have seen like 20 auto-translated words in one sentence asking for a repair and just say to myself "good luck with that". I use Translation software to talk to others, so i have no problem with server language diversity.

I certainly dont think we all need our own servers, with such a low playerbase that would put us at a real disadvantage, auto translate serves its purpose well enough for partying.

I mean its not like I'm overwhelmingly awash in a multitude of languages,Its rare for me to even see people talking in public, the first /shout conversation i've seen with more than two participants is when someone let us know he paid 1k for his video card and five people were like "Wow you got ripped off."

No. The Japanese, European and North American community make a majority percentage of players within a Server.. If I were to be limited to GB players there'd be not more than ~200-400 people online at max.

What a foolish idea if SE were to ever consider it.

SE probably won't be bringing new servers online any time soon since the existing servers are far under capacity, but it seems like there are a fair number of people wanting language-specific servers on both sides of the Japanese-English fence.

I think they should not segregate any of their existing servers, but if they bring new servers online in the future it might be a nice option to give people who really want it.

I personally want to play in an international environment so I would not want to join a one-language server.

I'm mixed about it. While it offers unity through diversity, there are those few who will purposely and wrongly ban outsiders/certain language groups from partaking in events or parties. The most classic example being JP ONRY. But it doesn't seem near as severe as it was in FFXI.

I want to be on an international server. It's one of the reasons I bought the game. Although I wouldn't want to see them seperated, I guess it doesn't matter if people don't want to interact. I suppose if they gave the option, at least I would know that all the people on my server want to interact with other cultures.

Copy Paste + Google Translate has gotten me out of most language barrier jams.

I would be interested to see one at least TESTED. Mostly to see if having a server in North America would alleviate some of the UI or responsiveness of the controls and the game in general. I didn't realize all the servers were actually in Japan until news of the earthquake hit.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Copy Paste + Google Translate has gotten me out of most language barrier jams.

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This. Many JP parties run extremely well for me with Google Translate.

Many of my friends are from different corners of the world, and as such I speak multiple languages. Setting up region-based servers would make me a sad cat, nor does it seem very practical.

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Originally Posted by MysteryG

I would be interested to see one at least TESTED. Mostly to see if having a server in North America would alleviate some of the UI or responsiveness of the controls and the game in general. I didn't realize all the servers were actually in Japan until news of the earthquake hit.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but if it were to happen it is most likely that the server would still be located in Japan as SE doesn't have a datacenter in the US and I doubt they'd invest money in that direction for just 1, or maybe 2, temp servers.

I'm kinda for it. Just because I'm not a fan of asking someone something and then being told they don't speak English. Or Someone asking me something and me not having any idea what they are saying.

I guess I'm just used to all English servers. Its definitely not game breaking tho. I dealt with it in XI and ill deal with it now. =)

My main reason for starting this thread is because there is a similar thread in the Japanese forum. Stating mainly that they are constantly hounded by foreign RMT's and is the main reason Japanese players started avoiding playing with Foreign players in FFXI. Also because of various culture differences, such as cooperation, respect, etc. I am explaining that I have no such problem on my server (or very little of it), and hope to never see it.

Hi Reika,

I've been following the Japanese thread as well but haven't posted there yet.

I do think that the problems people have stated are more of the exception than the norm, but they tend to get amplified on internet forums.

The thing that concerns me most is the feeling that some English speaking players are 独善 (self righteous) which is also not true much of the time.

On Saronia there have been a few isolated "incidents" that I know of, but for the most part I think people are pretty good about playing with people from other countries and across language barriers.

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Originally Posted by Reika

My main reason for starting this thread is because there is a similar thread in the Japanese forum. Stating mainly that they are constantly hounded by foreign RMT's and is the main reason Japanese players started avoiding playing with Foreign players in FFXI. Also because of various culture differences, such as cooperation, respect, etc. I am explaining that I have no such problem on my server (or very little of it), and hope to never see it.

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when you say foreign... do you mean English? Any time I've been talked to by an RMT.. its been in broken English. I think its because English is the most common used language.

No thanks. I don't want language restricted servers.
I think a lot of Japanese players don't like the fact that English speakers are playing on the same server, but the ones I've run into during behest have been quite content to do behest with non-Japanese players.
I think as long as we're respectful, the Japanese players will not mind being on the same server as us. Westerners have a tendency to be more....straight forward? Something than can probably be misread as rude. (And then there are the cases where people really are rude.)

I'm sure there are English speakers that want their own server as well.

Personally, I enjoy that the servers are non-language restricted. It gives a more global community feel when you log on and see people typing in Japanese, English, Chinese, German, French and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Paksenarrion

I think a lot of Japanese players don't like the fact that English speakers are playing on the same server, but the ones I've run into during behest have been quite content to do behest with non-Japanese players.

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I'd like to believe that none of my LS friends would want to move to Japanese only servers. ><

If you ask, I think most Japanese will say they wish they could speak English because they want to communicate with more people and make new friends.

I'd be against it because no one can and should block themselves off from the rest of the world, we need to learn to work together and respect one another. If people can't handle that in a simple online game, then it makes me wonder how they handle it when faced with it in real life.

Also because I would loose many of my friends from all over the world, and no longer be able to play with them. Thats also a reason why I think SE won't split servers, many shells are mixes of people from all regions, not just one region. If they made area specific servers and broke up all the people and LS's I'm sure a lot of people would consider no longer playing because they have been split from their shell... I don't know if I would keep playing.

That is one of the draws of this game that others don't have, international servers and I am used to being on international servers seeing I spent 6 years on FFXI and enjoyed it greatly. I love learning the cultures of all the different people that I meet, how they understand things and how they do things... Our shell loves to help one another and we even have a EU member that wanted to learn more English so we started helping him, and we were just saying a day or two ago how much more he understands and how great he's doing!

Also I always try to be polite, everyone comes from a different culture and if we play with them or not we should be respecting their culture anyway. I think our server is very nice, and a few days before the server went down one of our EU players and a JP player from another shell we know were working together, shouting in English and their own languages, to get a party going. Also the JP players I have met or played with seem very kind and didn't seem to have any problem playing with people from other countries. This is how it should be, all people working together for one goal... not separated.

Edit: Also has anyone else had any problem with RMT, seeing Reika said the JP are? I can honestly say I haven't been contacted once while in game by a RMT... I think I've seen them running around but I never hear them spamming or get /tells from them. :(

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Hi Reika,

I've been following the Japanese thread as well but haven't posted there yet.

I do think that the problems people have stated are more of the exception than the norm, but they tend to get amplified on internet forums.

The thing that concerns me most is the feeling that some English speaking players are 独善 (self righteous) which is also not true much of the time.

On Saronia there have been a few isolated "incidents" that I know of, but for the most part I think people are pretty good about playing with people from other countries and across language barriers.

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I wish my Japanese was good enough to read it (I'm only N5).

As an American, I can say that by Japanese standards (and admittingly a lot of the world) American culture is rude. Most Americans will try to be polite culturally though, and if they know what they should do to show politeness, they will. There are, however, a good deal of gamers who are very rude even by American standards. I'm a little concerned when this game gets mainstream... :( I want the community here to stay nice like this.

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Originally Posted by Rawry

when you say foreign... do you mean English? Any time I've been talked to by an RMT.. its been in broken English. I think its because English is the most common used language.

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In my experience, RMT's are definitely not English native. It's too bad they're giving us a bad reputation from it...

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Originally Posted by Chezen

I wish my Japanese was good enough to read it (I'm only N5).

As an American, I can say that by Japanese standards (and admittingly a lot of the world) American culture is rude. Most Americans will try to be polite culturally though, and if they know what they should do to show politeness, they will. There are, however, a good deal of gamers who are very rude even by American standards. I'm a little concerned when this game gets mainstream... :( I want the community here to stay nice like this.

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So true. I wish the rude and the RMT would stop giving good people a bad name. And the sad thing is, I KNOW of some people on my server that are extremely rude, and would not allow them to talk to any of my friends. My friends know my feelings.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

I'd like to believe that none of my LS friends would want to move to Japanese only servers. ><

If you ask, I think most Japanese will say they wish they could speak English because they want to communicate with more people and make new friends.

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This is me >.< I'm nervous about my limited Japanese to try to say anything, and while it might not seem like it on the forums, I'm shy in general. :P

Also, I agree with KaiKatzchen's post. I would like to see that happen.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I'd be against it because no one can and should block themselves off from the rest of the world, we need to learn to work together and respect one another. If people can't handle that in a simple online game, then it makes me wonder how they handle it when faced with it in real life.

Also because I would loose many of my friends from all over the world, and no longer be able to play with them. Thats also a reason why I think SE won't split servers, many shells are mixes of people from all regions, not just one region. If they made area specific servers and broke up all the people and LS's I'm sure a lot of people would consider no longer playing because they have been split from their shell... I don't know if I would keep playing.

That is one of the draws of this game that others don't have, international servers and I am used to being on international servers seeing I spent 6 years on FFXI and enjoyed it greatly. I love learning the cultures of all the different people that I meet, how they understand things and how they do things... Our shell loves to help one another and we even have a EU member that wanted to learn more English so we started helping him, and we were just saying a day or two ago how much more he understands and how great he's doing!

Also I always try to be polite, everyone comes from a different culture and if we play with them or not we should be respecting their culture anyway. I think our server is very nice, and a few days before the server went down one of our EU players and a JP player from another shell we know were working together, shouting in English and their own languages, to get a party going. Also the JP players I have met or played with seem very kind and didn't seem to have any problem playing with people from other countries. This is how it should be, all people working together for one goal... not separated.

Edit: Also has anyone else had any problem with RMT, seeing Reika said the JP are? I can honestly say I haven't been contacted once while in game by a RMT... I think I've seen them running around but I never hear them spamming or get /tells from them. :(

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It is said that the foreign RMT were a major problem and annoyance in FFXI, and that they would not like the chance to experience it in FFXIV

Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.

the only possible for language seperate is server place at different country, as a german server, french and etc.

While I am against server seperate by language (cos its just racist act) but I do want a server place in Eu for better ping, I am sure most of you know, even the ping of server say 60 but the fact your ping will be 200-300 with good connection if you connect from Eu to Japan and that cause animation lag, slow responce while use skill (if you pay attention to that), I am major crafter but I do DoW once in a while and get very anoying cos of the delay

Seperate servers is one thing I dislike about most games. I like ff mixed servers. DCUO ended up i guess mixing their servers cuz EU was so low.

As for lag, i barely saw any difference between playing WoW on a east coast or a west coast US server or ffxi. Of course it being 1 was pc and the other the ps2/360.

My fave moment with japanese was in ffxi. The day the first abyssea addon was added, I got invited to a jp mana burn party. We was in xarcabard [s] and that dragon kept killing us. (the one that flew) Anway I completely sucked at pulling. I was dnc and was not familar with that area. I felt so stupid and embarrassed. They never kicked me out. I appologised for my bad pulling. they got someone else to pull but let me stay.

They had every right to kick me and didn't. Maybe because I was nice and was a fat head.

That is so funny, because I know an American that will kick someone out of their party to get 5 more SP per kill.... It is people like that put a hamper on our interactions.

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Originally Posted by Reika

It is said that the foreign RMT were a major problem and annoyance in FFXI, and that they would not like the chance to experience it in FFXIV

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Ah, thank you for the clarification! I agree with them 100% as well, the RMT were a major problem in FFXI and I don't think anyone in any country would like to see them again! So at least we can all agree on that! :D

I'm against it simply because I would have absolutely no one to play with on my time since I'm an english speaking person living in EU atm aside from the brits not there is anything wrong with them it's just they are an unusually small player base on the server I am on now. I wouldn't have even bothered with the game if that was the case. But fortunately there is no segregation of servers and I can at least play with other EU players that speak or understand english ^^

noway i like to play with everyone

I don't want separate servers. The mixed languages can give the cities in FFF14 the same feel as in real life cities. Ever go to the mall and hear groups of people speaking languages you don't understand? happens here all the time.It just adds diversities to the atmosphere of the game.

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Originally Posted by WintersMoondancer

I don't want separate servers. The mixed languages can give the cities in FFF14 the same feel as in real life cities. Ever go to the mall and hear groups of people speaking languages you don't understand? happens here all the time.It just adds diversities to the atmosphere of the game.

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yes i agree with that

My obvious answer would amount to, "No, thanks. I like it this way".

Difference and diversity add to the mix, while playing brings us together. It's nice to see players from different corners of the world working together towards a common goal during a behest or a quest, and it gives us a broader perspective.

Also, it does make sense amidst the cultural melting pot of Eorzea, and language-based "segregation" would take that charm away.

Onward ho to victory then - together!

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Originally Posted by Reika

I am against it.

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Agreed. We are already having to deal with a limited population. I remain a little hopeful that by the time ps3 release hits then we may gain some new players as well. But if they keep building on the Auto Translate function like they did with ffxi, then I have no problems with multiple ethnicities / languages playing the game.

Shout out can be a little annoying at times but unless it's the occasional troll, it's generally not too bad.

international servers are great.
I love this kind of MMOs where the whole world is connected together.
Meeting ppl from other nations is what I really love.

There would be absolutely no reason to separate the servers based on language. For starters there's already "unofficial" language/region servers. Auto-translate takes care of most basic communication needs. Furthermore if you're really looking for a group of people who speak a certain language you could always find a specific linkshell.