Mean people in pvp x)

For the first time i encountered mean people on pvp because im new to this whole pvp.
My hp was low (900 hp lower than rest of the group) and i told them not to worry cuse im new. After i died they began to say "hah dont tell us dw" "we all thought you are a mlg boy because of this dw". Not sure what that means but it was hella awfull tbf for me.
and then they kicked me cuse i died twice...

I mean sorry for being new qnd burden but jeez relax <.< is pvp community like that? If so im not going to stop pvp .. i enjoy it but i felt that this experience was even worse than normal dungeon..

From your description, I believe the group interpreted your don't worry as you will still do good regardless of being new.

So when, you died, they logically from their perspective replied hah don't tell us "don't worry".
And they said "we all thought you are a major league gamer because of this "don't worry".

It's basically a case of misunderstanding because you added "don't worry", implying all will be fine, after stating you were new.

They all kinda round up against me when they said "all".. i played a healer and i wasnt really awere of anything. I thought my healing skills outside pvp would be fine but i thought wrong. I just didnt lile they assumed things like "mlg" and round up on me for saying "dw"..
Vut they didnt have to kick me bcuse of it.

But reading ur text i could see their view on it and led to misunderstanding x)
But hey all adventuerers are like that "im the hero bahaha" guess they dont role play much

900 HP less than others is honestly not that big a deal. If it was Frontlines, you can eat food for a Vitality bonus, or (assuming you're wearing at least all i180 gear) grab a tank accessory to wear. It's no lifesaver, but a little extra HP does help.

As for the rest, I won't mince words: Sounds like you ran into some bad players. It happens. It's unfortunate, but far from the norm. They were sarcastic jerks. Not the first ones you'll run into, and not the last. You might find them in PvP or PvE. Dying twice is no reason to kick you unless perhaps you simply weren't listening to directions that would've prevented it otherwise (also, what was your healer doing in all that?) All in all, it sounds like if it wasn't the deaths or the HP, they'd have simply found some other reason to kick you. That's bad on them. Keep fighting, learn to play your job the best you can in PvP, and even if you end up on a team with players with bad attitudes, do your best to cooperate and get the win. What they say or think doesn't mean anything if you can deliver good results.

EDIT: I see, you WERE the healer. In that case I ask what were they doing to cover you? Targeting healers is a basic strategy, and if people aren't even going to cover their healer - generally the squishiest member of the team - you could have tank levels of HP and still get taken down with ease. At the same time, awareness is crucial. Gotta have it if you want to heal in PvP, but really, that's a shared responsibility among the entire team.

Oh yeah I forgot about the kicking part. I agree with ThirdChild_ZKI, it was definitively not a reason to be kicked. They just wanted you gone and will have use any pretext I guess.

Thanks for the tip! XD we had no tank only 2 healers.. i did listen to their tip but the battle happened so fast that the half group got splitted and a twin adder monk killed me with lb and i got kicked out. I tried and think i did my best staying far away and repose my enemies and heal my party. But they told me not to "cast" and i didnt understand what they ment. I thought they ment holy bcuse i did my "hit and run" trick which actually worked xD.

Not sure they covered me. As non-pvp experience i just saw my teams running around:p

3 reasons :

* Using Holy
* Didnt cast a heal
* Ignored the advice on hp

And not enough HP (~10k)

Repose is a very useful tool for shutting down an attacker, or snaring a target for your team to attack. But as a healer, your primary responsibility will always be healing yourself and your team. I'm not saying don't use your attack skills, use them when you need them, but if your team needs healing first, you know what to do. Also, be mindful of distance. Though you might be outside of their attack range, if one of your melees is attacking them, then they're officially outside your healing range. Don't be afraid to get in there, but keep your eyes open.

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Originally Posted by Axxou

3 reasons :

* Using Holy
* Didnt cast a heal
* Ignored the advice on hp

And not enough HP (~10k)

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He said he was new.
New or not, can't heal if they don't peel.
Sounds like there was no advice given, just sarcasm.

At the very least, thank you for noting that having at least 10K HP is where he'll want to be. . . Which can be achieved through making sure you're wearing at least i190 gear with the ideal secondary stats for your job, and as I mentioned a tank accessory if needed. Food buff if you like (it's far from necessary, but any little bit helps, no?)

pvp commu is shit evrywhere in any game !

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Originally Posted by Aerish

pvp commu is shit evrywhere in any game !

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I won't doubt your statement, but please, tell us of your experience in FFXIV's PvP community that supports you saying that?

I had the same encounter as the OP but i wasn't the healer, the rest of the team was blaming and throwing shade at him

Newbies should be left alone for a few matches before they realise what's going on what they should do.

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

i played a healer and i wasnt really awere of anything.

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hmm...
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Personally, I think this was a missed opportunity for the community to prove themselves better than the general opinion of them.

I'm not absolving him of the responsibilities of being aware and performing his given role properly.
I'm not demonizing the players who saw fit to just write him off and boot him.
However if there WERE any other players there that could've stepped up and gave helpful advice, they didn't. And that's where they failed. That's where the community failed.

No, it's not your responsibility to teach every new PvPer how to do everything, but then again, who did that for you when you were new? DID someone do that for you? It's easy to point fingers and say "you're doing it wrong!", some will make the correction, most will simply feel attacked. Instead of pointing a finger, extend that whole damn hand and say "here, let me show you how to do it right/better". I guarantee you'll have a returning player that way, and maybe - just maybe - we might actually shake that negative stigma we have simply for enjoying PvP, let alone a better community.

Be the change you want to see.

The next time they whine about dead ques they should think about all those new players they've kicked for being new who will likely never return to PvP again. Don't blame SE, blame yourself.

Why would ppl giving advice to someone who didnt checked anything before entering? Its easy to point fingers and unless we know both sides of this we cant judge. Maybe the healer werent casting heals/following the team/followed chat or doesnt use any pvp skills. However if people dont pvp cause there is a negativity then its not their mode anyways.

Apparently video games these days need to be reasearched and studied before playing. Almost impossible to do spoiler-free gameplay without someone flaming you for not knowing everything beforehand. What happened to the times when you were learning by playing?

Pro tip: video games are not a university. They are supposed to be fun and relaxing side activity after work. Some of you take it way too seriously.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Apparently video games these days need to be reasearched and studied before playing. Almost impossible to do spoiler-free gameplay without someone flaming you for not knowing everything beforehand. What happened to the times when you were learning by playing?

Pro tip: video games are not a university. They are supposed to be fun and relaxing side activity after work. Some of you take it way too seriously.

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Nobody says you have to study basketball either, but if you want to play basketball with some people you don't go on the court and start kicking it around. When it comes to competitive games (even if just for fun) it is common courtesy to at least have some understanding of what you're doing.

On topic of OP: 900 low hp sounds like you were not meeting the gear cap for PVP, possibly some pieces that are not even i150. If this is the case, and you are a healer, you are a detriment. I say this nice as possible.

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

Nobody says you have to study basketball either, but if you want to play basketball with some people you don't go on the court and start kicking it around.

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If you want that analogy then yes, you do, because the basketball game organizer (SE) says it's ok for veterans and first timers to play together without any restrictions or pre-requisites or requirements other than basic uniform (i150). Sounds like veterans make their own rules with which oranizers are not agree, because unjustified vote kicks (like, for being a new player) are supposed to be punishable.

We're starting to cherry pick this. The assumption has been made that they don't know how to heal. . . how hard is it to heal, I mean, bare basics of the job? Not hard at all.

Now how hard is it to heal when your team is all split up, possibly out of range or not in los, and you're getting focused? Definitely tough. How hard is it to heal when you're KO'd? Pretty impossible at that point.
How does a newer player handle that situation? They don't. They get taken out. Even with 900 more HP.

So really, how DO they learn to handle that situation? By literally getting into matches with a team that can actually help guide them and cover them. No one learns anything getting kicked from a match.

Even all 'pro' healers with 11k HP die several times per match, there's not much you can do if focused and CCd. Kicking for this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I guess they were just triggered by 'don't worry' remark and by dying near him when he was casting Holy. But 'don't spam Holy, stay behind and focus on healing' would be enough to correct this. What exactly pvp community benefts from the lack of healers? Nothing, only longer ques for the Feast which is died on Chaos already because nobody wants to heal.

Hi there! Sorry you had a bad experience. You are on same datacenter as me so I probably know the people who were mean. They aren't really serious when they throw insults around and I don't think the intent is to hurt people, they heckle each other the same way sometimes even if they are playing well.

MLG = major league gaming, so they were saying 'I thought you was a pro' in a sarcastic way. The best way to start out is playing large-scale frontlines pvp on a dps role so you're just part of the pack and nobody is depending on you for heals or anything, then you can blend in and gain some experience of how things work without being individually targeted by mean comments hopefully.

I think in the patch later this month the dev team are proceeding with disabling party chat inside The Feast pvp matches, so that place will be a no-harassment zone although the queues can be long for that.

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

Nobody says you have to study basketball either, but if you want to play basketball with some people you don't go on the court and start kicking it around. When it comes to competitive games (even if just for fun) it is common courtesy to at least have some understanding of what you're doing.

On topic of OP: 900 low hp sounds like you were not meeting the gear cap for PVP, possibly some pieces that are not even i150. If this is the case, and you are a healer, you are a detriment. I say this nice as possible.

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wierd thing is my whm ilvl is 256 its my second main job and i can play it very well in pve but not in Pvp.

Unfortunately, even if you were a veteran PVPer, you'd be blamed for everything by the "L33t-PVPers of Eorz3a" whom, we all know, are so skilled that they *never* make mistakes. I know there’s a long running "joke" about how toxic all PVPers are in this game but it genuinely is only a vocal minority. Unfortunately, not only are they extremely vocal but they are vindictive & well organised. This means that they can make life hell for a player, especially a newbie, if they want to.

I can assure you that even if you had researched extensively beforehand, got the right gear & placed PVP actions on your hotbar, they would still have found something to be rude about. They're "comrades in arms" to the point of resentment against those who aren't in their clique. They just *won't* give anyone a chance.

I know I will get shot down by others in this forum simply because it's a PVP forum & they don't want to hear the truth. That's fair enough, it's water off a duck's back to me. I also know that outside this forum a lot of people have shared my experiences & share my views.

Until everyone in this game recognises & acknowledges that cheaters, elites & bullies exist in PVP then nothing will ever change. There are many nice people in this forum too who regularly say that they always give players a chance to prove themselves & I dearly commend them for that. Sadly they cannot be on your/my team for every game to make PVP bearable on the whole.

This whole thread is so cringe it's ridiculous , people get kicked from duties every day , and you're all analysing it as if you were all there , if a healer gets kicked from a dungeon for pulling , he gets aggro , doesn't heal and dies , would you complain here too ?
But in a game with a 15 minute time limit that's possible to lose apparently it's worse.

Grow up

YEA BABY GET IT ON

Man if anyone has the right to whine about getting kicked, it's celas marek. the god of healing himself. where were you molly cuddlers when he got kicked 328943892348282893893489284323 times? analysing his pain? delete thread please.

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Originally Posted by Eggscellent

This whole thread is so cringe it's ridiculous , people get kicked from duties every day , and you're all analysing it as if you were all there , if a healer gets kicked from a dungeon for pulling , he gets aggro , doesn't heal and dies , would you complain here too ?
But in a game with a 15 minute time limit that's possible to lose apparently it's worse.

Grow up

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Sorryvi guess not my fault people lacking common sense in duites if that healer pulls. Is that pvp?
Funny that you guys even want to comment on this cringe thread.dont even need to mention its cringe too.
this thead gave players like me advice. Im thankful for it. :)

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Originally Posted by Yoruno

Man if anyone has the right to whine about getting kicked, it's celas marek. the god of healing himself. where were you molly cuddlers when he got kicked 328943892348282893893489284323 times? analysing his pain? delete thread please.

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Lmao I remember him rage in our ls in the past when he was on lich good times triggered at its finest.

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Sorryvi guess not my fault people lacking common sense in duites if that healer pulls. Is that pvp?
Funny that you guys even want to comment on this cringe thread.dont even need to mention its cringe too.
this thead gave players like me advice. Im thankful for it. :)

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So you're saying that it's not ok to lack common sense in pve , but it is ok to lack common sense in pvp ?

Even though pvp is a competitive mode?

If people who liked pvp shared your double standards , they would get circlejerked by all the "pve people" in these forums .

But most of the replies here prove that the pve circlejerk is the real toxic community in this game .

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Lmao I remember him rage in our ls in the past when he was on lich good times triggered at its finest.

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he still does rage lol i admire his passion for the game dude is hilarious

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Lmao I remember him rage in our ls in the past when he was on lich good times triggered at its finest.

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Originally Posted by Yoruno

he still does rage lol i admire his passion for the game dude is hilarious

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Ye I know that he still raging xD

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