Raid Loot System

Broken. Badly.
Why is there ANY RNG involved in this? It should be simple: clear the dungeon, get your choice of one token and done. Instead, we get 4 drops for 8 people. Just a giant F U from SE.

16 A9 runs since yesterday, and my best "roll" was a 34. It's crap like this that makes people rage quit.

Because the walking talking subbing tools think RNG is still a valid "gameplay" trope for player retention.

To be fair, the other loot system they have in place for some of the trials makes more sense, where within 10 runs you either have a stab at getting your weapon drop as RNG, or turn in the 10 tokens you automatically obtained one per run. Wish they applied it everywhere else. People got other stuff to do with their time than to lose rolls to tunnel vision programming.

Average of 11 minutes per run, and roughly 20 minutes queue time as DPS, x 19 = 9 1/2 hours of play time on just A9N. I can't think of anything else I'd rather do with my game time.

I'm not the only one who thinks this is frustrating and retarded, either.

http://i.imgur.com/5KXpr86.png

I asked the GD forum a question a while back, and a sizable portion of players actually LIKE relying on RNG for drops. They said it's more exciting. I'll never understand it.

This is just for normal mode though.
In Savage, everyone gets a token AND loot on top of that.

Solution: Do more savage. \o/

You know you can run it in a party, this limits it to lesser runs to obtain your loot.

people still do normal mode?

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Broken. Badly.
Why is there ANY RNG involved in this? It should be simple: clear the dungeon, get your choice of one token and done. Instead, we get 4 drops for 8 people. Just a giant F U from SE.

16 A9 runs since yesterday, and my best "roll" was a 34. It's crap like this that makes people rage quit.

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I agree Chloe. When I was after an alex bolt I had to run 9 16 times. Was about to give up. Bad loot system is BAD here.

Partyfinder: "Two runs, loot for everyone."

Or as Canadane suggests, savage \o/

Lol...DF is good for two things, roulette's and weeping city.

If you are still using the DF for specific loot in the normal versions of Alex...you are going to run into this problem. Mitigating control...PF...

Play smarter.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Broken. Badly.
Why is there ANY RNG involved in this? It should be simple: clear the dungeon, get your choice of one token and done. Instead, we get 4 drops for 8 people. Just a giant F U from SE.

16 A9 runs since yesterday, and my best "roll" was a 34. It's crap like this that makes people rage quit.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

This is just for normal mode though.
In Savage, everyone gets a token AND loot on top of that.

Solution: Do more savage. \o/

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Thank the stars you're able to run the content until you get a drop. EVENTUALLY, YOU WILL GET A DROP. As quickly as 1 token for an accessory, 2 tokens for jewely, 2 weeks for pants (4 tokens from a11/12) or 4 weeks for a shaft (4 tokens from a12.)

Imagine your frustation if for a belt:
6 weeks of clearing content if a belt does not drop (You get 1 Page=token every week you clear it,) You can step in again with someone who hasn't cleared this week, a belt drop and be UNABLE TO ROLL, even though you never got an actual drop this week.

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I'm still using a 250 hat/boots IN ABSOLUTE FEAR THAT ONE WILL DROP AND I WILL HAVE WASTED 1.5-3 GOBCOATS WORTH OF PAGES. (Currently at 10 pages. Need 4 pages per gobcoat, drops cost 6 each. Need 12 to get both.)

So yeah. Be thankful you can keep going and going to get the drops you want on easy content.

(#NerfSavageDropSystemPls2Stewpid)

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Thank the stars you're able to run the content until you get a drop. EVENTUALLY, YOU WILL GET A DROP. As quickly as 1 token for an accessory, 2 tokens for jewely, 2 weeks for pants (4 tokens from a11/12) or 4 weeks for a shaft (4 tokens from a12.)

Imagine your frustation if for a belt:
6 weeks of clearing content if a belt does not drop (You get 1 Page=token every week you clear it,) You can step in again with someone who hasn't cleared this week, a belt drop and be UNABLE TO ROLL, even though you never got an actual drop this week.

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Doctor says to a patient who just became a paraplegic, "Well it could have been worse. You could have gotten cancer, or been set on fire that completely deformed you".

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Originally Posted by Jas710

Doctor says to a patient who just became a paraplegic, "Well it could have been worse. You could have gotten cancer, or been set on fire that completely deformed you".

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The doctor says you'll need to take these 2 pills a day until your symptoms subside. Oh the other guy? Chemotherapy for 6 months.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

In Savage, everyone gets a token [...]

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Of which you need 4 - and each is weekly locked.

Drops are random, too, so have fun getting DRG stuff when your group has no DRG.

Oh, and you can't do Savage floors out of order either, because entering a later floor counts the previous ones as cleared and loot received.

Regular raid loot can be fixed by simply making a premade - at worst, you'll have to clear 8 times if everyone wants a bolt and only one bolt drops each time. Savage just sucks completely.

The salt on savage is real!...petty...

Lol, so one is afraid of RNG because using their tokens to buy an upgrade which could drop in the subsequent weeks and go to someone else...as an upgrade? Ok.

The other says RNG can drop gear that does not pertain to your groups current composition...but could be an upgrade for a side job...riiiiiight...

If your clearing that's all there is to it, if it's an upgrade, just get it if it helps progression...I don't understand this randomophobia. I've seen a dark weapon which is being used, a smn book which is being used, WHM cane that's being used, and unused blm and 2 pld weapon drops...though they are fun upgrade for those who got them...people need more "grats" in their life lol

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Originally Posted by WeekendSoja

I don't understand this randomophobia.

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If you really have trouble understanding why people are not fond of the idea of their effort randomly being rewarded with something they care for or something they don't, please go to your workplace and ask your boss to roll a dice on whether you get paid your salary at the end of the month or something else you really couldn't care less about of equal value instead - for example, real estate stocks in a foreign country or a lifelong subscription to a magazine or something like that, depends on what is of equal value to your salary. Of course, without re-selling option.

If, after a year, you still don't get why people don't like randomness in rewards, well...nothing to be said. To each their own. But I'm sure you aren't crazy enough to accept that sort of thing IRL. Nobody ever is - Because deep inside, people know better. They just don't like to show it for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

google Maslow's hierarchy of needs

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Lol, great comparison...because the two are totally relatable in both scale and impact.

If your attributing the enjoyment of this game to what equates to necessities of sustainability, it's not me with the problem lmao. Got your priorities all kinds of jacked up lol.

I don't see the issue. Sure in Savage its annoying but even there is a fix time to get stuff. In normal its fine all tomes are capped and who cares. ;)

I mean.... it's outdated gear. If you're spending that much time running a9 over and over again for one drop couldn't you, oh i dunno, spend an hour farming mats and getting a i250 piece crafted? Shire gear is 260. I ran through normal once.. maybe twice. Didn't need any i250 gear from there because it was outdated upon release

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Originally Posted by Jas710

Because the walking talking subbing tools think RNG is still a valid "gameplay" trope for player retention.

To be fair, the other loot system they have in place for some of the trials makes more sense, where within 10 runs you either have a stab at getting your weapon drop as RNG, or turn in the 10 tokens you automatically obtained one per run. Wish they applied it everywhere else. People got other stuff to do with their time than to lose rolls to tunnel vision programming.

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RNG is fine if it's done right. When you look a t the ex primal loot system it's almost perfect.

Primary source of loot is RNG with a secondary source is from tokens you get from wins. X number of tokens can be traded for an item of your choice if RNG hasn't rewarded you.

The only way the system could be better is if the tokens didn't take inventory space.

I said in another thread it's a system that should be implemented a cross all content.

Even Alex. for example Clear a9 get the RNG drops as usual. But also get a token of some form. So if you've cleared a9 X number of times and still not won your bolt or chain from RNG. You can still spend your tokens on getting one. If one you do win the roll then you can spend your tokens on something else instead just like primals. Guarantees progression so you can't lose. But you can still win.

Would work in 24 man raids as well. Keep losing the roll on the body you want. No problem if you've done it X number of times you can buy it with your tokens instead..

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

I mean.... it's outdated gear. If you're spending that much time running a9 over and over again for one drop couldn't you, oh i dunno, spend an hour farming mats and getting a i250 piece crafted? Shire gear is 260. I ran through normal once.. maybe twice. Didn't need any i250 gear from there because it was outdated upon release

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depends of stats you want to stack :p i still use 240 lore until savages gives me something better

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

I mean.... it's outdated gear. If you're spending that much time running a9 over and over again for one drop couldn't you, oh i dunno, spend an hour farming mats and getting a i250 piece crafted? Shire gear is 260. I ran through normal once.. maybe twice. Didn't need any i250 gear from there because it was outdated upon release

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The 250 stuff from alex is not outdated its a help to get to raiding and until you have you shire gear what you need (what is btw not much for the most classes) and on top of it it is more than just fine for all of your "not main classes".

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

I mean.... it's outdated gear. If you're spending that much time running a9 over and over again for one drop couldn't you, oh i dunno, spend an hour farming mats and getting a i250 piece crafted? Shire gear is 260. I ran through normal once.. maybe twice. Didn't need any i250 gear from there because it was outdated upon release

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Most folks doing alex normal are gearing alt jobs as there tomes will be used on there mains..

And most people don't bother buying the 250 crafted stuff because its ridiculously expensive and doesn't last very long. in a few weeks chances are i'll be replacing my 250 alexdrian caster gear with the new 24 man stuff. so there's no way i'd be spending 15-20 million on a set of 250 crafted stuff. (current prices. It would have been even more earlier in the patch)

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Originally Posted by Dzian

RNG is fine if it's done right. When you look at the ex primal loot system it's almost perfect.

Even Alex. for example Clear a9 get the RNG drops as usual. But also get a token of some form. So if you've cleared a9 X number of times and still not won your bolt or chain from RNG. You can still spend your tokens on getting one. If one you do win the roll then you can spend your tokens on something else instead just like primals. Guarantees progression so you can't lose. But you can still win.

Would work in 24 man raids as well. Keep losing the roll on the body you want. No problem if you've done it X number of times you can buy it with your tokens instead..

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Yeah totally. With the absolute high-end content they could just scale the number of times, i.e. instead of 10x, you need to run it 20x, and so forth.