Please Fix Accuracy

Accuracy has two problems.

1. Nobody likes to miss.
2. It doesn't get any better after hitting cap.

Nobody likes to miss, so they try to find the accuracy cap. It's annoying to guess at where it is. And even when you do find it, it doesn't help if you have any points over the cap.

Just set it like this. Just for example, say 500 Accuracy is baseline. With 500, you could hit anything. Under the effect of a Blind debuff, your accuracy goes down and you might miss. But what if it's higher than 500? Well, that's your crit. The more accurate you are, the more likely you are to crit and the harder you crit.

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Originally Posted by cheolsu

Accuracy has two problems.

1. Nobody likes to miss.
2. It doesn't get any better after hitting cap.

Nobody likes to miss, so they try to find the accuracy cap. It's annoying to guess at where it is. And even when you do find it, it doesn't help if you have any points over the cap.

Just set it like this. Just for example, say 500 Accuracy is baseline. With 500, you could hit anything. Under the effect of a Blind debuff, your accuracy goes down and you might miss. But what if it's higher than 500? Well, that's your crit. The more accurate you are, the more likely you are to crit and the harder you crit.

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The Crit idea would just lead to people melding Accuracy over well like everything unless you make it so that the over accuracy isn't worth the crit rate you would have if you would have melded normal crit or maybe for every 1 point over accuaracy cap is like 0.3 to your AP.

There's rumors of the stat being revamped or scrapped in 4.0.

i guess, they could just remove accuracy, but still have the Blind debuff give a chance to miss

i got the chance to try a9s yesterday, and found out i need like 700 accuracy. so i melded a bunch of accuracy. but that sucks because, i don't need it for anything lower than savage, so it's just wasted materia slots. that's why i was thinking of how to make it better

Your worries are similar to a lot of players. They will be removing the need to meld accuracy in 4.0.

Unless they change their mind and try something else first.

Before you complain about accuracy, try being a healer in raid. Every other gear has at least some options with accuracy on it, except healers. Our gear has 0 accuracy. If you don't have the relic, then every single open meld spot needs to go into accuracy V's. That lv 250 prototype gear, yep needed to meld Accuracy V's on to it, knowing it would only last for a few weeks.

I have never hoped that a stat dies as much I hope accuracy gets shown the door in 4.0.

I like accuracy because it's one of the few things you have to actually plan around when getting gear. Other than speed thresholds for a couple jobs, every other stat is just "STACK THE GOOD ONE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" and "avoid parry."

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Originally Posted by RubyScarlett

Before you complain about accuracy, try being a healer in raid. Every other gear has at least some options with accuracy on it, except healers. Our gear has 0 accuracy. If you don't have the relic, then every single open meld spot needs to go into accuracy V's. That lv 250 prototype gear, yep needed to meld Accuracy V's on to it, knowing it would only last for a few weeks.

I have never hoped that a stat dies as much I hope accuracy gets shown the door in 4.0.

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ty for this info! i'm working on my second anima, the ast anima, and am at the stage where i pick stats. people in my fc suggested accuracy and i thought they were trolling me. now i get it

It's not just that nobody likes to miss, it's that missing can have pretty far reaching effects. Miss your aggro combo as tank at the start and watch the BLM be gutted despite quelling strikes. A missed autoattack does not do much, but miss a trick attack and you just cost your group 10% DPS for the next 10 seconds. Not to mention it might cost you Enochian or Greased Lightning if the timer is tight - even if the chance is low, it can lead to a pretty big DPS loss.

I can tell you right off the bat, if skill effects still applied if the ability "missed", 100% accuracy would quickly become a lot less mandatory. It would still be capped however because it would still offer the highest return up until the cap - and none after, as you have already said yourself.
It's also a bit awkward that it really only matters in EX/Savage content but even casual equipment is loaded with it.

Personally, I don't find the stat particularly good or interesting and could well do away with it - but frankly, I think every secondary stat that doesn't change your playstyle could well be done away with and if we would scratch every stat that doesn't change gameplay, we would only have two stats left:"Power" for progression and "Speed" for gameplay. At that point, you'd really have to brainstorm new ones, because it's fairly obvious that two stats are a "tad" meager.

Didn't they say they were probably getting rid of accuracy in Stormblood?

Hang in there until early summer

I honestly hope they scrapped it, but wouldn't mind a revamp as well. I'm a NIN and watching my Critical Hit Rate that was over 1000 drop below it for Accuracy so I can raid EX/Savage runs including my Determination. I really dislike how it feels like I'm gimping my own character, but I suppose missing an attack is worse than always hitting for a lower damage rate.

I feel bad for Healers as they lack Acc on their gear to help with EX/Savage. Honestly it doesn't seem like they thought this one through with the stats.

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Originally Posted by VirusChris

I feel bad for Healers as they lack Acc on their gear to help with EX/Savage. Honestly it doesn't seem like they thought this one through with the stats.

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True story. Increasing the reliance on accuracy was to nerf the classes from speed running end game raids. SE had a moment where they thought signs of speed running content with end game gear was bad.

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Originally Posted by cheolsu

i guess, they could just remove accuracy, but still have the Blind debuff give a chance to miss

i got the chance to try a9s yesterday, and found out i need like 700 accuracy. so i melded a bunch of accuracy. but that sucks because, i don't need it for anything lower than savage, so it's just wasted materia slots. that's why i was thinking of how to make it better

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Accuracy itself is a really useless stat. However, seems your mistake was not planning ahead. My MT spent some time using Ariyala's to make a build (including food) and only has a few Acc melds to push him and has a few upgrade ideas to keep it in check. Obviously not BiS type stuff, but the only classes that need more than a handful of acc melds are healers and I believe BLM/SMN.

Though that also proves how freaking annoying it can be, especially for casters... 592/3 is their cap but so much of their gear has acc that planning is an absolute headache.

The fix is to kill it with fire along with Parry

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Originally Posted by RubyScarlett

Before you complain about accuracy, try being a healer in raid. Every other gear has at least some options with accuracy on it, except healers. Our gear has 0 accuracy. If you don't have the relic, then every single open meld spot needs to go into accuracy V's. That lv 250 prototype gear, yep needed to meld Accuracy V's on to it, knowing it would only last for a few weeks.

I have never hoped that a stat dies as much I hope accuracy gets shown the door in 4.0.

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I even put accuracy stats on my relic for glorious over 500 accuracy so I can dps with "less" miss :(

Honestly healer accuracy sucks, but it's great at the same time. Never will I ever be unable to upgrade a piece because it would lower my accuracy below a working amount, since the new piece will receive the same melds. It's a blessing and a curse to have to work around predefined stats from sets.

nobody wants to die either so make enemies only heal you.

I'd actually like them to give piety some accuracy ( like 0.25 accuracy for 1 Piety) so healers can get accuracy easier. That'd help them focusing on crit/det/ss so their dps numbers can get closer to tanks.

Remove accuracy for everyone wouldn't help us haha !

The thing is, we'll have no choice after removing accuracy. it will go crit/det or crit/sks and that's all. Having accuracy stuff was "forcing" us to choose our gear carefully. It will be brainless after that :x

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Originally Posted by Llynd

The thing is, we'll have no choice after removing accuracy. it will go crit/det or crit/sks and that's all. Having accuracy stuff was "forcing" us to choose our gear carefully. It will be brainless after that :x

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Yes and no. Some classes are hurt by too much SkS so there is still a bit of a balancing act going on. Since raiders are the ones truly hit by accuracy, they'll still have a balancing act going on.

Heck, they may cook up a new stat to toss in (though unlikely, them even thinking of tossing out stats leaves the possibility on the table).

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

The fix is to kill it with fire along with Parry

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Honestly, they might as well go all the way and remove stats from the game entirely. STR, DEX, INT, MND are all basically identical in function. VIT is similar, but also grants HP. All these could easily be rolled into one stat, with tanks getting a bonus to HP. PIE is the only main stat that doesn't contribute to damage or healing, but the only players who ever bother stacking PIE are BLMs that are trying to reach MP thresholds. Just remove PIE entirely, give everyone a flat 1000 MP at all levels (like everyone has a flat 1000 TP) and scale spell costs accordingly.

Crit, Det, SS, while a few jobs have effects that trigger on crit, for the most part players don't stack for that. All they're interested in is the extra damage provided. So, roll all of these into the one stat as well! Defensive skills, too. The only stat on any piece of gear will be ilvl, and everything else will be calculated from that. HP, attack, defense, everything.

Do I actually want such a simplistic stat system? Not really. I'd love it to be much more robust, with EVERY stat mattering to every job. For example, WARs would need plenty of VIT, but if they skimp on MND they won't be able to survive those magic tank busters - and of course, they need STR to deal appreciable damage and DEX to make sure they land those hits. Instead, what we have is "stack VIT". This game, though, started out with a simplistic stat system that has gotten only simpler as time has passed - and now they're talking about phasing out the only two stats we have that aren't directly related to dealing damage. Might as well take it to its logical conclusion.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just removed it, they didn't increase the ACC req for creator(s) from midas(s) and they already dropped ACC from weapons (other than anima) a while ago.

I actually find it kinda funny in a way that starting out we are striking bugs and small creatures with no issue, yet we then come across giant beasts and suddenly we are not able to swing and connect? Just my thought on accuracy, but do hope they look into removing it.

Accuracy would be fine if encounters were more diverse than endless trash pulls.

There no variety on mobs generally. All pretty much equal in evasion toughness etc etc. If your fire 4 hits 1 mob for 7k it'll hit virtually everything you cast it on for 7k.

If mobs were more diverse. Some that are really tough for example. Where a fire4 might only hit for 3k but those Mobs were slow as hell.

Or mobs that were evasive as anything but weak. So if the fire 4 hit it'd Hut for 10k..

You create a point where you'd want to balance accuracy vs attack power in relation to mob defence and evasion.
Would go a long way to making stats more interesting.

A similar thing could be achieved with parry if they gave bosses and stuff multi hit attacks.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

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The issue is that, if you give this playerbase a mile, they'll hop on a rocket sled and shoot for the moon with how badly they can break the game. We only get 35 stat points to allot because more than that would allow players to cripple their characters. We trade customizability for functionality and safeproofing. We already have to deal with Int melded healers, which is bad enough.

As much as I would love an RO style stat system, the vast majority of our playerbase doesn't allow for it.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

The issue is that, if you give this playerbase a mile, they'll hop on a rocket sled and shoot for the moon with how badly they can break the game. We only get 35 stat points to allot because more than that would allow players to cripple their characters. We trade customizability for functionality and safeproofing. We already have to deal with Int melded healers, which is bad enough.

As much as I would love an RO style stat system, the vast majority of our playerbase doesn't allow for it.

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Those 35 stat points are a prime indicator of the whole pointlessness of the system as a whole. You talk as if there's a choice, but no, there isn't. Anyone who doesn't dump all 35 points into Primary Stat is a fool. Even the Int-melded healers you're talking about are foolish for doing so - those 35 points are much better allocated to MND, so that they translate to INT once Cleric's Stance is activated.

I do have to applaud those healers credit for experimenting (Assuming, of course, they're not just SMNs who are too lazy to buy a Keeper's Hymn for those occasions when they decide to heal as SCH), but SE has been too thorough in taking any choice out of the system. Their vigilance in ensuring easily-balanced classes has pretty much removed the whole need for a stat system in the first place.

It IS true that a robust stat system can open the door to abuses; for example, if it was discovered that MND had a disproportionately large effect on MNK's Elixir Field, causing MNKs to stack outrageously for MND but turning Elixir Field into a powerhouse ability that threw DPS balance completely out the window and caused players to exclusively invite MNKS as DPS as a result. At least, until the next update when SE nerfs Elixir Field's MND modifier, and players have to search for some other stat loophole to abuse. Honestly, though, even with hiccups like these, I consider it to be a preferable way to run things. RPGs are much more interesting when folks have the freedom to experiment and find tricks and tactics that weren't necessarily anticipated by the developers. The developers can then decide whether to allow them, or to nerf them.

This game has taken a completely different tack. In the interests of enforcing balance, the stat system has been simplified to the point that the only reason we have stats at all is because RPG players are used to seeing INT and STR and whatnot. But it's all a farce. A level 60 WAR has STR VIT INT MND DEX - but the values for all those stats but VIT could be zero or seven billion, and it would make no difference.

I never understood int on a healer. The magic attack potency you gain from int gets switched with the healing potency. (it doesn't add up) Meaning you are just boosting the terrible healing power you will do in CS stance. . . . . .

The stat system did have its use in 2.0. As maxing piety or vit was a good option. But you're right. @LineageRazor It's just a restrictive system for mmorpg vanity.

yeah I personally think ACC ill go the way of the Dodo come 4.0, easiest and most reliable way to fix accuracy issues are to just scrap it and truth is no one will miss it. As for the 35 points to allocate they are really kinda pointless atm, hell the only ones that kinda had a "choice" were tanks and now that's just VIT too :P Still id like it if they did something "meaningful" with it though, but if it got scrapped I wouldn't mind, nor if it just stays just need to remember to hit the + sign at some point after i hit cap :P

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

You talk as if there's a choice, but no, there isn't.

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And making the system more complex won't change that fact, it simply makes the solution less obvious.

Every stat that changes power/performance suffers from that issue. What happened again in the strength meta for tanks? People took as much VIT as necessary and then stacked STR. And if we were to revamp the system to your proposed solution, the WAR you mentioned would take just enough DEX to get 100% accuracy, just enough MND to survive magic damage, just enough VIT to survive and then stack STR because it gives the highest damage output. What has changed? You have to look up more stat caps. Actual choice is still nil - you can't just stack more DEX because that's pointless and inferior to STR.
You can then go and alter the example - bonus dex now gives crit chance as well. Then the math wizards go and calculate how much worth that crit chance is in STR and if STR is more worthwhile, people still stack STR, whereas if it's better, you have to stack DEX. Difference to now? Math wizards have more to do and people who don't read the blogs of math wizards build bad builds.

In order to allow choices, the output (or more generally utility) needs to be roughly identical, because otherwise you just have the same situation as with MND or INT for healers - one has better results and you'd be a fool not to pick it. Balance is a prerequisite for choice. That's why you can choose to play as any job without people complaining, but playing as a class might even get you kicked - the jobs are roughly balanced against each other, but classes are not balanced against jobs. Just like with INT and MND, balance is not given and thus, the inferior choice becomes a non-choice. This very principle applies to each and every possible stat you can think of that changes performance to varying degrees and the current system primarily makes that fact and the correct solution painfully obvious.

And then the issue is: if choices are balanced, do they really matter? Philosophically, it's actually a very interesting thing. On the one hand, we want our choices to matter, but if they do, we don't really have a choice anymore (unless they only matter for something we are indifferent about). Typical dilemma even in morals - if both choices are wrong, does it really matter which one I pick? The difference being that morals are more subjective than math - functions and equations do not have much argumentative wiggle room.

Buuuut...that's leading off-topic.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

I like accuracy because it's one of the few things you have to actually plan around when getting gear. Other than speed thresholds for a couple jobs, every other stat is just "STACK THE GOOD ONE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" and "avoid parry."

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Yea, this is not going to be the popular opinion, but I agree that it's good to have something you need to plan around when gearing. Secondaries in this game are already extremely boring. Accuracy (and speed for some jobs) is really the only thing that adds more thought to gear balancing.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Anyone who doesn't dump all 35 points into Primary Stat is a fool.

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In the grand scheme, where accessories give you DOUBLE that (think i270 is 78 of a main stat?), those points are about as meaningful as race bonuses right now. In 2.0 they were important, but now... it didn't scale that well. Will it hurt you? Yes... but not a whole lot.

Accuracy as a concept lowered or removed:

Healers: "Yay! I don't have to stack accuracy on my relic anymore!"

Healers: "Oh...we stack piety instead, for more DPS? WELL THEN."

I mean, at least it's a stat that has value for healing, as well, but it still doesn't change the fact that crit is weighed too highly for pretty much every job ATM and removing accuracy won't really change that. It'll just give more numbers to plug into the numbers-boosting stat du jour for every job.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Accuracy as a concept lowered or removed:

Healers: "Yay! I don't have to stack accuracy on my relic anymore!"

Healers: "Oh...we stack piety instead, for more DPS? WELL THEN."

I mean, at least it's a stat that has value for healing, as well, but it still doesn't change the fact that crit is weighed too highly for pretty much every job ATM and removing accuracy won't really change that. It'll just give more numbers to plug into the numbers-boosting stat du jour for every job.

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Depends on the job. I often feel that Crit healing a lot causes too much over healing. I heal just fine without constant criticals. Even damage wise, I'm not so crazy on it because I know I will not be able to hit like a blm at 8k per strike. Piety seems like a valuable resource to me, because my mana gets drained the crap out of if I start spam rezzing. Or if I die myself, I can recover my base mana quickly to get back into the fray thanks to high piety.


Would piety be the secondary stat of choice? No it would be the third imo.

My ex: MID >>> Determ >>> Piety


And before anyone starts being critical on Determ. Yes its been nerfed. And yes do not prioritize raising your determ stats at the cost of MID. It should be the opposite.

why its annoying? go back playing wow please.. find out stuff itself is the funny part in this game. lol