to hard to lvl on steel and mythril(fix suggestion)

There is a certain imbalance to the crafting system. Mythril has a horrible drop rate and steel needs bomb ash. These 2 factors make it much more costly then lvling on there higher lvl counter part cobalt.

how to fix:
increase mythril drop rate for mining
sell bomb ash at npcs


please hot-fix this instead of waiting for the 3 month patches as usual.

EDIT: since these lower lvl recipes are harder to produce then the higher lvl ones the gear becomes more expensive to make. If you choose to buy bomb ash from the wards then youll pay around 3k gil for it. A piece of cobalt ore is only about 1500gil. So since the lower lvl recipes cost more i would never consider producing them for selling at the wards. this only hurts the low to mid lvl players who have to pay more for thier gear then they should have to.

the title says hard to lvl on...but thats not my main point.
iron drop=rate good
steel= need to farm bomb ash which takes extra time
mythril= bad drop rate
cobalt= good drop rate

having the 2 hardest mats to acquire/synth in the middle lvls make the mid lvl gear cost more to produce. That is not good economic balance. this is the main reason it should be fixed. Bomb ash should be readily available and mythril should be = to iron +cobalt. I know that we can make do with what we have now but its just now good economic balance.

Note: someone mentioned the possibility of adding bomb ash to mining, i like this idea. Also maybe a synth to extract bomb ash from brimstone.

Adding Bomb ash to mining would be pretty sweet, and an increase on mythril yield.

If you need bomb ash, theres a ton of Drifting Duds NW from Camp Horizon, they're in the (8,21) and (9,21) area.

I was farming them on my 36 PGL and they were dying incredibly fast. They drop up to 4 ash at once, I got about 110 ash In around 40 min.

I agree with you on the Mythril drop rate though.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

If you need bomb ash, theres a ton of Drifting Duds NW from Camp Horizon, I want to say they're in the (8,24) and (9,24) area.

I was farming them on my 36 PGL and they were dying incredibly fast. They drop up to 4 ash at once, I got about 110 ash In around 40 min.

I agree with you on the Mythril drop rate though.

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thanks for the tip, and for the bomb ash the main prob is it takes extra work which makes extra cost. these extra cost in the low lvl recipes makes it hard to produce low lvl equipment at a fair price when you could easily produce higher lvl equipment easier for a higher profit.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

thanks for the tip, and for the bomb ash the main prob is it takes extra work which makes extra cost. these extra cost in the low lvl recipes makes it hard to produce low lvl equipment at a fair price when you could easily produce higher lvl equipment easier for a higher profit.

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Then the real solution would be to increase the difficulty of obtaining the higher level material.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Then the real solution would be to increase the difficulty of obtaining the higher level material.

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well being that mythril drop rate is 1 are you saying that cobalt drop rate shuold be 0.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Then the real solution would be to increase the difficulty of obtaining the higher level material.

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Yes let's screw over people unrelated to the problem by making things universally more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

I get what you mean now OP, although I personally don't think it's that big of a deal since it drops so readily. It would be nice if they got rid of at least one of the areas that drops Alumen and make it drop the ash instead.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Yes let's screw over people unrelated to the problem by making things universally more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

I get what you mean now OP, although I personally don't think it's that big of a deal since it drops so readily. It would be nice if they got rid of at least one of the areas that drops Alumen and make it drop the ash instead.

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i will farm some ash to lvl my bls, but as far as making low lvl gears to sell i would never bother farming ash when i can farm cobalt way faster and make more gil from it. If i ever farmed ash it would be to sell for the 3-4k that it sells for(or for lvling). It seems as though any mats taht are farmed via mobs tend to cost more then mats that are farmed via doh. Even mythril with its horrid drop rate are cheaper then bomb ash. My prob is that this is for low lvl gear and will always drive the price up. With the new stat mechanics people need to have their lvl appropriate gear now.

i do like your idea of adding it to mining though, id like to see it sold at the arm/bls guild though. even if it was 1000 gil it would set the price for the wards.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Yes let's screw over people unrelated to the problem by making things universally more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

I get what you mean now OP, although I personally don't think it's that big of a deal since it drops so readily. It would be nice if they got rid of at least one of the areas that drops Alumen and make it drop the ash instead.

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Typical.
I hope they make gathering much more difficult so people like you can come here to complain.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Typical.
I hope they make gathering much more difficult so people like you can come here to complain.

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wow, a troll by definition, thanks for the bumb

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

wow, a troll by definition, thanks for the bumb

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Problem officer?

If you are persistent as a Miner you can easily accumulate Mythril if you focus on the favored spot. I"ve gathered 4 stacks that I"m holding to use til I need it on smith or armorer but odds are I"ll be able to accumulate more if need be with ease. While sure it does suck that you can only get 1 at a time, there is a point as a miner when obtaining them isn't as hard as you would think.

As for bomb ash as long as you find a group of mobs that drop them it's pretty easy to obtain but of course it is harder if you don't havea melee class to fight with. Even if you don't you can always consider the MW cost of bomb ash and see if they are worthwhile to get. Just because you can gather a materials doesn't mean you have to gather everything, you have to balance it out based on the time to obtain the loot and if the price being asked is worth it. At times you can also see how much will cut into the profit if you were to buy it from the MW but overall if you are just aiming for skillup then perhaps you are just better off buying bomb ash from the market ward.

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If you need bomb ash, theres a ton of Drifting Duds NW from Camp Horizon, I want to say they're in the (8,24) and (9,24) area.

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Hmm, only see a few dodos there.

Add: I found them at (8,21), (9,21). And wow@the drop rate. Prior to 1.19, I get 1 ash every 3-4 mobs...

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Originally Posted by tymora

Hmm, only see a few dodos there.

Add: I found them at (8,21), (9,21). And wow@the drop rate. Prior to 1.19, I get 1 ash every 3-4 mobs...

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Thank you, I have the general idea of where they were but I haven't had time to get the exact location. I will edit my post in case anyone else follows that advice. Glad the spot was fruitful =)

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Originally Posted by Airget

If you are persistent as a Miner you can easily accumulate Mythril if you focus on the favored spot. I"ve gathered 4 stacks that I"m holding to use til I need it on smith or armorer but odds are I"ll be able to accumulate more if need be with ease. While sure it does suck that you can only get 1 at a time, there is a point as a miner when obtaining them isn't as hard as you would think.

As for bomb ash as long as you find a group of mobs that drop them it's pretty easy to obtain but of course it is harder if you don't havea melee class to fight with. Even if you don't you can always consider the MW cost of bomb ash and see if they are worthwhile to get. Just because you can gather a materials doesn't mean you have to gather everything, you have to balance it out based on the time to obtain the loot and if the price being asked is worth it. At times you can also see how much will cut into the profit if you were to buy it from the MW but overall if you are just aiming for skillup then perhaps you are just better off buying bomb ash from the market ward.

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allot of people are missing the point steel should be easier to make/acquire then mythril, and mythril should be easier to make/acquire then cobalt. When the system is backward the way it is it creates an upside down economy were steel and mythril gear cost to much to make to bother selling it. I could mine mythril all day long if i want. The fact is ill mine 3 times as much cobalt and make higher lvl gear and sell it for more. Its simple economics.

I never got a problem getting mythril. The only issue mythril might have is the area...going all the way to coerthas is so boring!

I would love brimstone replaced with bomb ash though...seems like they will remove darksilver anyway.

You can get mythril at Treespeak and Humblehearth too. Doesn't seem too rare at Humblehearth but my friend says Treespeak drops it fairly often. I'm only L30 Miner so I haven't gone up to Treespeak yet.

*runs off eager about bomb ash*
,*considers migrating to Humblehearth*

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

thanks for the tip, and for the bomb ash the main prob is it takes extra work which makes extra cost. these extra cost in the low lvl recipes makes it hard to produce low lvl equipment at a fair price when you could easily produce higher lvl equipment easier for a higher profit.

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take me less 1hour to get 2+stacks on my conj 50 AOE everything. I don't see a issue i found other ways to skip both cobalt and mythril and right now i'm 2level from 50 ARM.

Btw i skip it and all i used was iron ore the only issue i find is the amount of Shards you use up level up but seeing how i don't use my money for anything else it was not that hard on my money.

So at the end there no point in this it's pretty easy to find other way to skip both mythril and cobalt and still level up quick if you don't believe me look at my history. So what i'm trying to say is there no need to make it more easy for RMT and people level up when it easy right now.