Extended Ewer on BRD

So how effective would this be? It could really extend the foes uptime for dps longer than an aoe balance even though it would only benefit casters.

Just a random thought.

Interesting idea. I suppose if you ended up with an Extended Ewer your best option would be the bard or healers, if the healers don't need mana then you're absolutely right the Bard could result in higher uptime on DPS. I don't think its worth attempting to get the buff intentionally. but worth remembering as a useful place to put an errant Ewer.

tbh i wouldn't really go for extended ewers. if you're going to use a ewer i'd recommend an enhanced one, it refreshes quite a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Mikaeus_The_Lunarch

tbh i wouldn't really go for extended ewers. if you're going to use a ewer i'd recommend an enhanced one, it refreshes quite a bit more.

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Extended Ewer/Spire: 100% potency × 200% duration → 200% effect
Enhanced Ewer/Spire: 150% potency × 100% duration → 150% effect

Extended Ewer/Spire + Celestial Opposition: 100% potency × 267% duration → 267% effect
Enhanced Ewer/Spire + Celestial Opposition: 150% potency × 167% duration → 250% effect

Extended Ewer/Spire + Time Dilation: 100% potency × 300% duration → 300% effect
Enhanced Ewer/Spire + Time Dilation: 150% potency × 200% duration → 300% effect

Extended Ewer/Spire + Celestial Opposition + Time Dilation: 100% potency × 367% duration → 367% effect
Enhanced Ewer/Spire + Celestial Opposition + Time Dilation: 150% potency × 267% duration → 400% effect


Enhanced Ewer has 9% more effect if you want to use both Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation on it, but as much control as we have over cards now, I'd rather save them for my next combo.

In light party duties, if I happen to have Extended RR and Redraw a Ewer and happen to have a competent BRD and BLM/SMN I will throw Extended Ewer at the BRD, but like Katlyna said, I don't try for it over other more direct effects.

Wow great info here. Thanks everyone. Yeah I don't think i would try to fish for and exdended/ enhanced ewer, but if the rng is terrible and I'm sick of sitting on cards, I was hoping it might be viable. Looks like it is.

On the idea of burning time dialation and celestial opposition for it......Probably not, lol. But the math shows just how viable it would be.

If you have a heavy caster comp in a 24-man raid giving Ewers to a BRD who actually sings Foes is probably a larger DPS increase than trying to fight for Expanded Balances for your party. The nice thing about Ewer into BRD Foes is the fact that its effective as just a single card versus trying to potentially fight for Expanded Balance for optimal Balance usage in your group.

I would burn a Time Dilation for Ewer, but not necessarily a Celestial Opposition unless I have other buffs going as well that can go with it.

Also yes, if you're going to buff an Ewer in this capacity please make it Extended and not Expand or Enhance ^^;....

I would just like to say that Ewer is a Bards best friend. This was some months ago but I was in a Void Ark where we had the only bard in the entire team, mixed with me constantly getting Ewers like 90% of the time, I don't think he ever ran out of MP for the most part minus a few dry spells. To be honest, I think his MP was always on a rise far more than he lost even in battle and that was with just basic, no extended or enhanced.

Minor things like this get really overlooked by a lot of Astrologians. Ewer on Bard and Spire on Warrior is another one. Astrologians are just too eager to burn them for spread.

WHAT?

If I got an extra mp card and our raid bard has full MP, I tell her to put on foe's req instead of saving it for another burn phase. It will always fill up their MP.

Ewer can ALWAYS go to a class using MP. Except Dark Knight. lol

Truth be told when i use ast and we have a bard and smn or blm i always will give the brd the extended or the enhance ewer . I figured the more up time foe is up faster mobs dies i think ^_^"

Did some data collection with a friend.

Lv60 BRD with AST in party can maintain Foe Requiem for 66-69 seconds.
With basic Ewer somewhen in the middle, this increases to 96-99 seconds, for a gain of 27-30 seconds. For now, let's assume that the 3s range is a side effect of the timing of Foe Requiem activation related to the server tick, and that Ewer very likely bought is 30s in all cases.



Then consider a few of the DPS applications.

Balance increases one person's damage by 20% for 30s.
Ewer increases party magic damage by 11% for 30s.

Extended Balance increases one person's damage by 20% for 60s
Extended Ewer increases party magic damage by 11% for 60s.

Expanded Balance increases party damage by 10% for 30s.
Base Ewer increases party magic damage by 11% for 30s.

So in a magic heavy party, it might even be better to throw a base Ewer at the BRD instead of burning it and maybe ending up with something undesirable like an Expanded Bole. I don't have time to do the maths right now to say where on the good idea / bad idea spectrum this falls for serious full party duties, but certainly if you end up in a caster heavy full party roulette or alliance raid, it bears consideration.

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To be honest, I think his MP was always on a rise far more than he lost even in battle and that was with just basic, no extended or enhanced.

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This is my experience as well. I like to throw ewers on my bard friend and I've noticed that even the basic, totally unenhanced version refreshes his mp faster than he's expending it.

*In my experience*

If I have a spare Ewer for whatever reason, it goes to Bard for that reason. If Foes is up, it goes longer. If no MP, they can use it faster.

Bards and caster alike are very appreciative.

I also sometimes too them on SMN's, moar Ruin III's yo.

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