I saw this video and don't understand how to play my black mage like this. He just moves so fast, he didn't even have to sprint. Is there an ability I don't know about that can make me move twice as fast as anyone else?
http://i.imgur.com/etqX9eH.gifv
How Can I Play Like This?
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11-04-2016, 09:03 AMKoltikHow Can I Play Like This?
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11-04-2016, 09:07 AMCulfinrandir
I'm not saying that it's a speed hack because there might be something I'm not aware of... Ahem.
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11-04-2016, 09:07 AMDuoneo
man does that BLM Hack or what?
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11-04-2016, 09:16 AMFinalHades
man i wish i knew how to blm like that
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11-04-2016, 09:35 AMKuroregal
Too pro lol.
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11-04-2016, 10:34 AMTiramisuMacaron
The video was removed, but I am guessing it was someone using bolter from the replies. I really wish SE would take speed hacking reports more seriously. It is not fun getting chased by a melee dps running faster than you when you have sprint up :/. Don't know why people feel the need to cheat in our small community, we have to stick together to grow it more.
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11-04-2016, 12:50 PMPraesul
Ya know there's a SMN I've seen doing that on Aether, too. It's crazy how skilled you get at the game from so much practice and experience, you even start moving faster...
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11-04-2016, 02:21 PMFreeKingStefan
Probably still lost that match though because BLM is trash.
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11-04-2016, 04:31 PMAvalon1101
I've seen something like that caused by lagging.
Acutally he's running in normal speed, the lagging makes that looks faster.
And I want that speed hack lol -
11-04-2016, 07:37 PMCulfinrandirWhat needs to happen is that the *PVP Community* take it seriously, not just SE. Time & time again myself & others have complained about hacking on here & we're always shouted down by the "l33t PVP cr3w" who claim it doesn't happen & we're sore losers. I have also been told that I was lying that I, & friends, had given up PVP as a result!Quote:
Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron
The only reason it hasn't happened in this thread is because Koltik (the OP) is a well known & respected PVP leader. Botting & hacking is rife throughout the game but much of the time it is either not seen or is ignored. It's not unusual for it to even be excused as acceptable by some! -
11-04-2016, 09:56 PMZojhaBecause they want the rewards and lack the skill to get them legitimately?Quote:
Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron
Because they don't enjoy PvP unless they win?
Because it's easy, convenient and frequently goes unpunished, so there's nothing stopping them if either or both of the prior two are true?
That's what you get when you're trying to grow the community with bribes >_> -
11-04-2016, 10:01 PMKai_Lee
Getting caught gets you ban and completely negates your chances to win the season reward. Not worth it IMO.
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11-04-2016, 11:19 PMSlib
Heh, I remember someone who played on primal with that name. This isn't shocking to me.
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11-05-2016, 06:45 PMCulfinrandirI'm beginning to think that Primal is a den of botting & hacking right now. I'm seeing it more & more from "regular" players. At least RMT tells are under control. X3Quote:
Originally Posted by Slib
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11-06-2016, 03:42 AMGravton
Because you can't have it both ways. If SE takes a firm stance against third party software then they have to go after dps meter users too. That means ffxivlogs (that advocates the use of tps aginst the Eula would need to be slapped with an injunction and taken down) with a list of potential tps users that would then need to be investigated and banned. They can't be lax in one category and then strong in another. Just like Nintendo, they can't ignore even one instance. Because if it came to a lawsuit and you can prove that SE just targeted you instead of all tps users by referencing ffxivlogs or something the judge is going to side with you. And if they do decide to take that stance that means they have to hire on more people to monitor it. That means more funds. This is why it took so long for the division to deal with its hacker problem. Once a company commits, they have to be all in. So with such a small number of pvpers do you think yoshi could justify this "hard stance" to SE?
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11-06-2016, 04:17 AMSynestraAnd stuff like guildworks app(mostly used for hunting)would also get banned not to mention all other small custom add-ons that are based on same framework as guildworks and DPS meters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravton
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11-06-2016, 06:44 AMCulfinrandirThe Hunting software should be banned as it directly injects packets into the data stream. I am very much against it & those bits of s/w that give an unfair advantage. The ToS actually only covers s/w that modifies the official game or data stream so certain DPS meters are perfectly acceptable (theoretically) as they read the information stored in plain text after it "leaves" the data stream & game itself. The main s/w used for DPS actually has an option that clearly tells you this & that enabling it is when you start to break the ToS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
I don't use add ons because the game is too important to me & not worth losing by taking advantage. I have no problem with people using DPS meters only but it's very easy for them to get sucked into using the more nefarious options. -
11-06-2016, 07:18 AMFreeKingStefanI'm sorry but no. Using a tool to track damage/healing is not the same as using a tool which adjusts the speed at which your character moves. MMOs are all about numbers, and if you don't have a way to track those numbers, there is literally no point to playing the game as you will not be able to play to the best of your ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravton
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11-06-2016, 07:33 AMGravton
It's still third party. They can't ban some then not ban others for breaching the same rule. Fair or not, cheating or performance monitoring. I'm not against a dps meter, but if it's allowed then it should be placed in game.
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11-06-2016, 07:38 AMCulfinrandirThere's no ban on third party software, only third party software that modifies the game or the data stream. Otherwise they could say that using Chrome to access information about game play is "using third party software". Not all DPS meters fall J to the banned category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravton
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11-06-2016, 11:21 AMZojha2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Culfinrandir
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...1&tag=users_en
Activities that Negatively Affect Game Balance
Third-Party Programs or Tools. SQUARE ENIX strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools – including programs and tools that permit automated or “absentee” play – in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:
· Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse engineering game software or data.
· Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.
[...]
http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1
(Also: Quite a few Feast chatlogs constitute harassment according to those definitions. See 3.3 of the first link for double reference)
Basically, if it's in the game folders, you're not allowed to touch it. If you are super strict about it, you are not even allowed to look at your logs with an editor, because the logs are game data and the editor analyzes it. Nope, no copy&pasting macro/UI data from one character to the other either.
SE is simply lenient with the rule because as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, they don't care. Whether that's a parser, copied files, a model swap in the game files or any other third party software - it's fine as long as other players experience is not infringed by it. And that is why they treat the exact same violation differently when it comes to cheaters. -
11-06-2016, 02:47 PMFebrusWell ... SE does get a little nit-picky for some of this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
Several Parser users have been banned in the past, including some major forum contributors and guide creators. They were only showing data for gear and stat scaling requirements, as well as the occasional parsed Ex/Savage Trial/Raid, for the sake of community awareness, but they still got slapped with a ban. That's why a lot of the people in those forums will now tip-toe around the issue by avoiding even the mention of the word "parser." They still discuss stat scaling data and dps numbers, but direct screen captures are rarely shown, and no point of reference for the data is mentioned. It's kind of ridiculous, because everyone knows how this data is collected, but they're all afraid of SE getting their panties in a twist over it.
Other than that, you're definitely correct. SE does offer some leash when the use of such software isn't causing problems directly to the community. They also follow the "if I didn't see it, then it didn't happen" philosophy of policing the community. However, if they do see it, they have grounds to act on it. Anything that compromises the community, or SE's own corporate interest, is subject to punishment. -
11-06-2016, 09:11 PMCulfinrandir
Zojha - You're wrong in your interpretation I'm afraid. Reading a plain text file is not data mining. If viewing said files with third party software was banned it would forbid you from ever looking at screenshots because they require decryption & display by third party software. Condition 2.5 was clearly aimed at decompiling or decrypting data to which it was never intended that the user could access. Such activities could give an unfair advantage or otherwise affect the experience of others.
One of the best, & clearest, definitions of data mining is from the Canadian Information Commissioner:
"a set of automated techniques used to extract buried or previously unknown pieces of information from large databases". The key words being "buried or previously unknown", the data is not buried as it in unencrypted & it is not previously unknown as it has been displayed both onscreen & in the log system. There is zero interference with the game software or data transmission by reading the text files &, as a result, no effect upon the game play or experience of other users.
TL;DR - Reading a text file that you have already been shown is not data mining. -
11-07-2016, 01:32 AMZojhaMight be, might be not - Only SE can tell right or wrong there. The second link (Prohibited Activities) first goes to say that third party tools and programs (with no specification) are strictly prohibited (twice) and then goes to list further activities that are also prohibited. Such as analyzing game data - it does not specify how you are not allowed to analyze it. It does not specify data mining either and curiously enough is listed in the context of absentee play/bots. It is implied that you aren't allowed to do it with third party tools due to the previous paragraph, however, the next prohibited point after my quote lists "Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming bugs or glitches.", which is typically done manually. And "interacting with the game" is not exactly specific either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Culfinrandir
I gladly agree that there is a high chance that they indeed are trying to refer to your given definition of data-mining with all that - that's common sense. That's how anyone would understand it during a casual read. But that's not how they phrase it - they phrase it far more broadly and therefore if there, for some obtuse reason, ever is a conflict that requires the broad interpretation, they are well within their right to use it and all you can say in your defense is that you understood it differently - which is a weak argument, especially in court. That's legal formulations and why I say it's technically and strictly speaking prohibited.