Anima Update - Item Level

Has this been announced yet? I've not seen it anywhere. I don't frequent these forums very often, so please excuse me if this has been beaten to death already.

Considering the last time we were at a similar spot in regards to tome weapons and extreme Primals, the safe bet would be 260

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Originally Posted by TheJarvisMan

Has this been announced yet? I've not seen it anywhere. I don't frequent these forums very often, so please excuse me if this has been beaten to death already.

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Will be in tonight's patch notes. Please look forward to it.

lol it better be higher than 260....considering shire is 260

It probably won't be 260 until 3.5

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Originally Posted by Annah

lol it better be higher than 260....considering shire is 260

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Well, that's why it won't be higher :P
They did the same in the 210->230 step.

We will then in 3.5 or something get a new step that ups it to 270. And it's gonna be loooooong and painful. Maybe in 3.55 a last step for 275. I fully expect the one tomorrow to be more lenient.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

It probably won't be 260 until 3.5

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it should be 270 at 3.5 and 275 at 3.55.

it needs to be at least 260 now unless they do something weird and give us a 265 step.

I'd go with 265.

I think it will be 265, because the arr relic weapon the previous step to last was 125

Oh wait a minute, the Alexander weapons are 270 right now? Or was it 275?

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Originally Posted by Azure51

I think it will be 265, because the arr relic weapon the previous step to last was 125

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Ye they were, however keep in mind that the relic weapon in 2.x (arr) was actually useful. Since they started late in 3.0 they are mostly glamour or for people that don't raid/craft/don't want to farm tomes (weekly lockouts that is). I would love to see the relic become more valuable but I won't hold my breath. Maybe in 4.0 but even then I doubt it, therefore I think tonight, we might be disappointed and get an update that yields ilvl 255 for now.

My bet if for a 260 ilvl and will not be hard to get.

The upgrade for 270 (and maybe 275) in 3.5 will be a pain! @_@

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

it should be 270 at 3.5 and 275 at 3.55.

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I guess you are right.

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Originally Posted by AngelyLowell

My bet if for a 260 ilvl and will not be hard to get.

The upgrade for 270 (and maybe 275) in 3.5 will be a pain! @_@

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Agreed. I suspect this leg will be in line with the 5x aether oils step.

Should be 265, 5 items below savage so the top raiders get rewarded more and 5 item levels above shire 260 weapons.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

Should be 265, 5 items below savage so the top raiders get rewarded more and 5 item levels above shire 260 weapons.

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It's never to gonna be 265. It will be 270 or 260 like the Zeta was before HW.

Hope that the final step dont reach i275, raiders are supposed to have the best gear :3

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Hope that the final step dont reach i275, raiders are supposed to have the best gear :3

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Aw so cute.

being relic takes longer time to do I don't agree with raider weapon being higher. You can get that with a decent group. Now if they made it to have to raided weapon to make it even or higher that should be good.

Relic should always be the best weapon period they hold legendary names... The amount of work put into it is highest achievement compare to Raid weapons any day.

Easy step to upgrade to 260,like 5 items 1800 stones or a weekly run of something.
Next step is a grind leaving the weapon at 270
We getting those 2 steps on this patch.
That's my prediction.

I expect an i260 Relic quest this patch. Then an i275 Relic quest in either 3.5 or 3.55. I only expect those two upgrades, TBH - I do not expect some intermediary step somewhere.

I'd guess 260-265 for this patch and then ending at 275 in 3.5 most likely.

just to be different. i'm going to say 250.

I don't think they'd want to obsolete Sophia drops this quick into a patch.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Hope that the final step dont reach i275, raiders are supposed to have the best gear :3

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What's that? Zeta was the same ilvl as Dreadwyrm weapons in 2.5? And the relic/raid ilvl weapons are following the same patterns here?

The anima weapon progression, if I recall, has been:

170->180->200->210->230->240

It alternates between 10 and 20 iLvl jumps, and the next step in the pattern is a 20. Zo we should get i260 tomorrow, i270 for 3.5, and likely i275 from 3.55 if we go off of the Zodiac progression.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

just to be different. i'm going to say 250.

I don't think they'd want to obsolete Sophia drops this quick into a patch.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

The anima weapon progression, if I recall, has been:

170->180->200->210->230->240

It alternates between 10 and 20 iLvl jumps, and the next step in the pattern is a 20. Zo we should get i260 tomorrow, i270 for 3.5, and likely i275 from 3.55 if we go off of the Zodiac progression.

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Agreed. :D <3

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Originally Posted by Dzian

just to be different. i'm going to say 250.

I don't think they'd want to obsolete Sophia drops this quick into a patch.

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Non-raiders who kept up with A12N are close to getting enough gears for the stone for the tome weapon which is 260 anyways.

Ever since 2.0, Relics always received the same ilevel as the best savage raid weapons:

i115 High Allagan (T9) -> i115 Relic upgrade (3 months later)
i135 Dreadwyrm (T13) -> i135 Relic upgrade (3 months later)
i210 Gordian (A4S) -> i210 Relic Upgrade (3 months later)


However, raiders complained that weapons dropped from savage should be higher ilevel than relic weapons since far more skill is involved (and sometimes even takes way more time.) There was very little incentive to raid; especially with the story no longer tied to savage difficulty. And thus we received the previous raid tier:


i245 Midan (A8S) -> i240 Relic Upgrade (3 months later)
i275 Alexandrian (A12S) -> i270 Relic Upgrade (3 months later)


As far as this patch is concerned, Sophia Weapons become obsolete in 7 more days. Clearing A12 Normal seven weeks in a row gives you the seven Alex Gears you need to buy your Micro Tomestone. Which let's you purchase your i260 weapon for 1,000 Scripture. Considering how easy it is to obtain this i260 Weapon, there's no reason the Relic won't be i260.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Ever since 2.0, Relics always received the same ilevel as the best savage raid weapons:

i115 High Allagan (T9) -> i115 Relic upgrade (3 months later)
i135 Dreadwyrm (T13) -> i135 Relic upgrade (3 months later)
i210 Gordian (A4S) -> i210 Relic Upgrade (3 months later)

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To add to that, you can include Zenith weapons (or +1 as they were back then), when T5 dropped i90 weapons. It is a bit of a unique case though.

270 or 65 at the very least, any lower and they really aren't worth it, as being similar to shire weapons make them not worth the bother. Not to mention you can upgrade shire weapons. but as people have said the pattern does seem they usually match the highest raid weapons, so i'll assume that is where they will be.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

270 or 65 at the very least, any lower and they really aren't worth it, as being similar to shire weapons make them not worth the bother. Not to mention you can upgrade shire weapons. but as people have said the pattern does seem they usually match the highest raid weapons, so i'll assume that is where they will be.

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Except when Lore Weapons were arriving,, relics got upgraded to 230.

So I don't see why anyone is expecting it to be different since only raiders currently have Shire Weapons, let alone upgraded ones

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

Except when Lore Weapons were arriving,, relics got upgraded to 230.

So I don't see why anyone is expecting it to be different since only raiders currently have Shire Weapons, let alone upgraded ones

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Raiders are the only ones that actually need the weapons, as 255 weapons are more then enough for any other content, but relics are a serious grind fest, and people aren't going to be motivated much (unless they just really want something to do) if the ilvl isn't up to par with a much easier to get, buyable weapon. (everyone will have a shire weapon in the next 2 weeks due to reaching 7 gears)

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Raiders are the only ones that actually need the weapons, as 255 weapons are more then enough for any other content, but relics are a serious grind fest, and people aren't going to be motivated much (unless they just really want something to do) if the ilvl isn't up to par with a much easier to get, buyable weapon. (everyone will have a shire weapon in the next 2 weeks due to reaching 7 gears)

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But that's how it's always been. Relics are never "worth" it in that sense.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Hope that the final step dont reach i275, raiders are supposed to have the best gear :3

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As a raider who beat A12S first week... I hate this idea that the relic weapon is so irrelevant, I wanted it to be a nice boon to progression. I really want to see something new with Relic's in 4.x, because in 3.x they have been terribly irrelevant for Raiders and Non-Raiders, this isn't good, this isn't what a relic is suppose to be.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

The anima weapon progression, if I recall, has been:

170->180->200->210->230->240

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Nope. Close, but you have an extra step in there.

I170->i200->i210->i230->i240

To get i170 you had to hand in a Zeta or do the FATE grind.
To get i200 you had to run ten dungeons.
To get i210 you had to collect a bunch of stuff and hand in for four pieces to hand in to Gerolt.
To get i230 you had to hand in 5 Aether Oils (CT weekly, or 1800 lower tomestones).
To get i240 you had to do the Sand/Umbrite grinds.

Additionally, ARR Relic went i80, i90 (+1 or Zenith), i100 (atma), i100 (animus - no ilevel increase), i110 (novus), i115 (nexus), i125 (zodiac), i135 (zeta).

Anima upgrade is 260 at-best, it'll probably be a short upgrade like the 230 was to reward those who got the 240 step done.

The new PoTD weapons are i255. However Sophia i255 weapons are still a good investment and to gear your alt jobs, or to get into Savage at-least. Plus seeing how many out there still have last tier's i240 or worse, less. Can't say it'll be outdated considering most of the normal population doesn't even have beyond 240.

It is true we raiders don't "need" the anima considering every A10S clear weekly is another shire tome weapon for the raid. Then clearing A11S regularly for the Gobdip to upgrade the Shire weapon to 270. So the anima step is just a glamour at-best or "better" sub-stats until you get the tome/gobdip upgrade.

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Originally Posted by technole

Anima upgrade is 260 at-best, it'll probably be a short upgrade like the 230 was to reward those who got the 240 step done.

The new PoTD weapons are i255. However Sophia i255 weapons are still a good investment and to gear your alt jobs, or to get into Savage at-least. Plus seeing how many out there still have last tier's i240 or worse, less. Can't say it'll be outdated considering most of the normal population doesn't even have beyond 240.

It is true we raiders don't "need" the anima considering every A10S clear weekly is another shire tome weapon for the raid. Then clearing A11S regularly for the Gobdip to upgrade the Shire weapon to 270. So the anima step is just a glamour at-best or "better" sub-stats until you get the tome/gobdip upgrade.

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Its nice though for Healers still. You get your Accuracy without needing to overmeld, forcing you to hold onto green i250 pieces, when eventually you should be at least 260 from shire + raids. :O

I only use my sophia weapon in expert since ACC doesn't matter there.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Its nice though for Healers still. You get your Accuracy without needing to overmeld, forcing you to hold onto green i250 pieces, when eventually you should be at least 260 from shire + raids. :O

I only use my sophia weapon in expert since ACC doesn't matter there.

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Yeah, I'll probably get two weeks worth of use out of the 260 anima upgrade at-best. Until it's my turn for an A11S gobdip or I'll likely just spend the pages for it for the Shire 270 upgrade. Or we just kill A12S this coming month and then it's whatever I can get by with lol. Higher Weapon Damage still is the best upgrade over any substat for healers, then ACC cap. I do like right side VIT V melds for progression, so I agree the anima does help, it's not a need but certainly it gives more options for healers with raid progression too.

I do need to remove some of the 120 ACC off my SCH anima though, as I'm sure most were planning on this tier being much higher than A8S. Plus I plan on keeping all three healers at cap.

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Originally Posted by technole

Yeah, I'll probably get two weeks worth of use out of the 260 anima upgrade at-best. Until it's my turn for an A11S gobdip or I'll likely just spend the pages for it for the Shire 270 upgrade. Or we just kill A12S this coming month and then it's whatever I can get by with lol. Higher Weapon Damage still is the best upgrade over any substat for healers, then ACC cap. I do like right side VIT V melds for progression, so I agree the anima does help, it's not a need but certainly it gives more options for healers with raid progression too.

I do need to remove some of the 120 ACC off my SCH anima though, as I'm sure most were planning on this tier being much higher than A8S. Plus I plan on keeping all three healers at cap.

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You might as well keep it at 120 though. Any materia you don't have to slot with Accuracy, you can slot with Crit (or Vit.)