Your take on Alts

So I've notice and I can say for a game that charges for extra character slots which is an extra 36 $ a year for paying for more is there any way that u feel that the game is alt friendly. You have to get a friend to even send your character , items and you cant send them any gil at all. Just wondering why do you think this is the case especially with you paying extra. With a new expansion coming out where you don't have to grind out cross classes you don't want your particular character to be ,it would be the perfect time for them to be more alt friendly. Why not obviously people like to do it why not make it easier for those to build up their other character and stay in the game more. I liked swtor system you could literally send anything you wanted why cant we have this here. I love the game its just really a question out of being curious, because its not like we aren't paying extra to make these characters.

I read that three times and I think you're talking about how this game isn't alt friendly compared to others.

And you're right. To an extent.

It's good for those who want to rp (like myself) and create chemistry for/between their characters. Or maybe those who just get bored of endgame and want to "restart".

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Originally Posted by Rhuazie

I read that three times and I think you're talking about how this game isn't alt friendly compared to others.

And you're right. To an extent.

It's good for those who want to rp (like myself) and create chemistry for/between their characters. Or maybe those who just get bored of endgame and want to "restart".

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It hit me last night when everyone couldnt sign in because of isp issues , people where saying that they log into their alt characters. I just wonder why the game will take that extra 36 a year but do nothing at all to help you build up your alts and I'm not even talking skipping the story I don't mind that. Just more stuff like sending gil, and items and stuff like that I don't get the restrictions

but maybe its not as much of an issue for most of the player base but I def know more people than I thought ran alts tho

My alts are in the same FC, so the company chest works for passing stuff between them. (I've only leveled crafting on one of my characters, so have a lot of materials to pass one direction and crafted items to pass the other.) But I agree, it should be easier and shouldn't require needing to be in the same FC (and all with access rights to withdraw items/gil from the chest).

The last couple MMOs I've played not only let people mail stuff between their alts but had a shared bank where we could store items and money that all alts on the account could access. I really don't see why we don't have that here. Alts may not be as necessary in a game with such flexible multi-classing rules as they are in some other games, but many people still like them. And as you said, we're already paying extra to have those alts. They shouldn't be as actively discouraged as SE is doing.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

My alts are in the same FC, so the company chest works for passing stuff between them. (I've only leveled crafting on one of my characters, so have a lot of materials to pass one direction and crafted items to pass the other.) But I agree, it should be easier and shouldn't require needing to be in the same FC (and all with access rights to withdraw items/gil from the chest).

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I'm fairly new to the game , so I'm just curious to if players have spoken out about this are if its just a thing people they don't concern themselves with. I mean if you give me 13 diff jobs and 5 different races , well really more like ten , plus different genders. Even with the all on one feature why wouldn't I want to different things. And they also count alts in the population data but they don't really give u away to maximize them.

One character is all you need to play this game. You want more - pay for it. It's optional. And it's very fair. They are not selling any exp or drop rates increasing runes or materia or any things like that in cash shop. It's only glamours, minions, retainers, extra character slots, etc... things that are not really essential for this game. As for those extra character slots, I don't even concern myself with it. Have one character and totally happy with it. And if i ever want to make alt - it's not forbidden to make characters on different servers.

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what exactly is fair about it , and as I mentioned you have multiple races and jobs that are frankly unrelated to each other totally just because you can do them all on one doesn't mean you have to , in what other realm is a wizard of magic a rouge and a ninja , or a physical style monk that knows karate , like I know you can do everything on one Id just rather not I didn't say , give me a skip potion so i can skip msq I'm willing to do msq multiple times because I don't like the all on one concept but I like the feature because it makes people happy. I just stated that I'm paying more so why should i need a friend to send my alt my money thbat I made in game with my main. They make money from the extra slots but also ,who do you think they are talking to when they make mounts are bathing suits per character its the people they know make alts and I'm sure its brought in some decent money. So why shouldn't i be able to send my alt a million gil .

Sorry but the entire premise of FF14 is that you can do everything on every character unlike most other games. It's similar to the job system in FF11 and in earlier FF games like FF3 and FF5. Alts are considered unnecessary, and most of the populace thinks this same way. They're not going to change the entire structure because of a few that wish it was something else. I personally have 1 alt that I hardly play as it is as I have too much to do on my main character. And even then, I only have them to go through the story again.

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Originally Posted by Failia

Sorry but the entire premise of FF14 is that you can do everything on every character unlike most other games. It's similar to the job system in FF11 and in earlier FF games like FF3 and FF5. Alts are considered unnecessary, and most of the populace thinks this same way. They're not going to change the entire structure because of a few that wish it was something else. I personally have 1 alt that I hardly play as it is as I have too much to do on my main character. And even then, I only have them to go through the story again.

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I dont have an issue with that at all but how is it changing a system to just send mail to created I know this is good for the player base but I think some are missing the point that these alts arent free, so whats wrong with making it easier to get items to them.

Making it possible to send money and/or items through mail is a commonly exploited tool of gold sellers/scammers/etc in most MMO's. It also ends up being the source of many a dup'ing exploit. So cutting it out saves them a lot of work on many fronts. And I doubt it'd add enough value to enough customers to justify it in general, let alone once you consider opportunity costs.

And FWIW, as a month-long player with no class to 50 yet, I can't even begin to conceive of wanting an alt, way too much to do once still!

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

And FWIW, as a month-long player with no class to 50 yet, I can't even begin to conceive of wanting an alt, way too much to do once still!

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I can understand what your saying and ive played about three months leveling is pretty easy , tanks to fifty dps to 50 , but I get what your sayin so why not allow the transfer of items then. I can understand the gil but why not mail directly of items . Simply because lets say Someone has three alts and they want to give all of them the 18 dollar mount thats a single account. If like you said that noone cares about alts then why isnt ever mount just account wide as is , why do they use alts in there data on how populated the game is. Im simply stating that its alot of taking of money but not even a single thing that makes having an alt easier.

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Originally Posted by fumofu

One character is all you need to play this game. You want more - pay for it. It's optional.

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Nobody has argued against paying for it. We already ARE paying extra for it, and I for one am perfectly satisfied with that. Nor have I heard from anyone who isn't. But given the fact that we are indeed paying extra for it, it's not unreasonable to expect some really basic QOL features geared towards it. Why should we need another player to take care of passing stuff to our alts on our behalf? We should be able to do that ourselves, without wasting our friends' time or worse taking the chance that they aren't as good of a friend as we thought and might steal the stuff. Or why can't we invite our own alts to join an FC or linkshell we want for all of them?

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

Making it possible to send money and/or items through mail is a commonly exploited tool of gold sellers/scammers/etc

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Actually, it wouldn't affect gold sellers at all, since they generally have multiple accounts anyway. Anyone with multiple accounts can already pass stuff between their alts. It's only people with just a single account who are affected by this, and that's generally regular players, not gold sellers.

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Originally Posted by Failia

Sorry but the entire premise of FF14 is that you can do everything on every character unlike most other games.

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Except that leveling more than one job to cap means a massive FATE/dungeon/leve grind as there are insufficient quests to do it more than once .. indeed, even going for something like "Seeker of Truth" is a grind due to lack of quest XP .. and unlike FFXI you can't change allegiance and play the other city-state story missions.

Sucks that noone cares for this issue I know there are several thosand players with alts and it would just be nice to give them items and money imo. Simply because you are paying extra for them.

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

And FWIW, as a month-long player with no class to 50 yet, I can't even begin to conceive of wanting an alt, way too much to do once still!

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I honestly get distracted too much and end up making multiple alts just because I want to use a certain name or emote like a maniac with certain appearances. Sure re-doing the main quest line and class/job quests is a pain, but I'm still having fun as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I honestly get distracted too much and end up making multiple alts just because I want to use a certain name or emote like a maniac with certain appearances. Sure re-doing the main quest line and class/job quests is a pain, but I'm still having fun as a whole.

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Im really not sure why people are so agaisnt this u literally have to make alts in every other mmo almost so I dont understand the big deal and se is aware that we make them otherwise they wouldnt sell stuff per account

I have 5 alts and a main character. My main has every class 60 and my alts have only 1 job to 60. It helps with crafting/weekly lockouts a lot as well as keeping my inventories free of clutter, but I can see how that can be difficult for newer players, especially since the "bug" doesn't work anymore, where you could add your own alts to your friends list. All you can do at the moment would be creating an FC, than invite your alts to it. However if you plan on making new alts in the future and you have no friend to help you invite that alt, than there's no way for you of getting this new alt added. I can see both sides of the coin, but I do agree that since we are paying more a month, we should have at least some better options.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

I have 5 alts and a main character. My main has every class 60 and my alts

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I have four I play my main the most but I just dont understand at all when u pay extra for slots, when in mog station if u want a mount its per account , Im not understanding why this hasnt been brought to se attention. I noticed when servers went down that alot of people where sayin they were gona log into their alt so its actually more people than I assumed so why not question se

I never got the point of anyone ever wanting to start over, honestly. I get it, you're bored and leveled everything but why do it over? It makes no sense. I'd rather keep continuing on my hours upon hours on one character, tbh. I will always have one character. You also can be any class on one character so I think alts are pretty worthless.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

I never got the point of anyone .

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I started all mine at the same time so , I'm not even at endgame, but I've stated reasons, a big one is their are several different races. For me I have an attachment to my characters I couldn't just fantasia them. You also have different genders, I'm a male but like a lot of guys I make female characters because they are hot, but at the same time I want a male character also and I have one. And I don't really feel like the game does a well enough job connecting each job together it seems so separate. Like your doing all of this stuff on one character and nobody knows it but you. I rather have a magic character, a warrior type, etc like the animations of a monk for instance to me don't really fit with my whm, so Id let my guy character be a monk, its just looking deeper into the game. I get many people don't care but I'm one of the ones who do and I don't figure I'm alone in this like I thought.

I would level an alt if it's progress could be tied to my main character somehow.

There's no way I'd wanna do the entire msq again or fiddle around unlocking all the extra dungeons / content for a second character.

Be cool if I could create an alt get it to 60 and jump straight Into Alex creator with it for example (gear score permitting of course)

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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Easy enough, just create an FC that all of your alts can join, and use the Company Chest to transfer equipment and gil back and forth. From a gil perspective that is actually more convenient because all of your characters can share the same bank. You can use LS' for end game events and co-ordination.

You'll need help to initially create your FC, but that shouldn't be to hard with a couple of helpful people.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

So I've notice and I can say for a game that charges for extra character slots which is an extra 36 $ a year for paying for more is there any way that u feel that the game is alt friendly. You have to get a friend to even send your character , items and you cant send them any gil at all. Just wondering why do you think this is the case especially with you paying extra. With a new expansion coming out where you don't have to grind out cross classes you don't want your particular character to be ,it would be the perfect time for them to be more alt friendly. Why not obviously people like to do it why not make it easier for those to build up their other character and stay in the game more. I liked swtor system you could literally send anything you wanted why cant we have this here. I love the game its just really a question out of being curious, because its not like we aren't paying extra to make these characters.

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The game's central story piece is almost a solo game studded with Multi-player episodes. Because this is an MMORPG, there is no 'NewGame +' mode that let's a player restart and re-experience the story from different angles. I have several Alts and use them to replace the missing NewGame +. I also enjoy the leveling, and for me there is almost a meta game of seeing what is the best way to level everything all at once, instead of picking one class/job. How quickly and efficiently can I level up my crafters and gatherers? I get to answer that now.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The game's central story piece is almost a solo game studded with Multi-player episodes. Because this is an MMORPG, there is no 'NewGame +' mode that let's a player restart and re-experience the story from different angles. I have several Alts and use them to replace the missing NewGame +. I also enjoy the leveling, and for me there is almost a meta game of seeing what is the best way to level everything all at once, instead of picking one class/job. How quickly and efficiently can I level up my crafters and gatherers? I get to answer that now.

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How i usually do it is i let the class quest kinda be like that certain alts story , even if i have to do cross class or something i will only do the acutally class quest with the one i made for that certain job. And im seeing more people like alts I just want se to throw us a bone ha

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Originally Posted by Dzian

There's no way I'd wanna do the entire msq again or fiddle around unlocking all the extra dungeons / content for a second character.

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Yet that's one of the big draws making people want alt characters, to be able to do the main story again.

Obviously it's not alt-friendly with the overcharging for alts, as well as no direct trading between alts. The game is clearly designed around the concept of one character fits-all with multi-classing and cross-class skills.

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

Obviously it's not alt-friendly with the overcharging for alts, as well as no direct trading between alts. The game is clearly designed around the concept of one character fits-all with multi-classing and cross-class skills.

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yea sure it is but it def doesn't mind the extra thirty dollars, they get a year from people who have more than the one single character slot. And they also sure use alts to buff up their population numbers, and they sure don't make every item on mog station account wide. But yet it was only designed for one character I strongly disagree with that. Its like that for convenience for most players but se certainly doesn't complain about the extra money they get from alts that people who don't make them aren't giving, so why should we not get any kinda feature at all it makes no sense.

Having access to 7 alts per server only costs as much as 1.5 retainers, and is likely supposed to have an entirely different function (e.g. roleplaying, character story-craft).

Of course, in an ideal world even after no longer needing to hand off an item to a friend to hand it off in turn to an alt, perhaps those 7 extra characters would still mostly avoid the fate of becoming bank alts. But that would be a world after retainer revenue, and with that the desire to avoid their fees.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Having access to 7 alts per server only costs as much as 1.5 retainers, and is likely supposed to have an entirely different function (e.g. roleplaying, character story-craft).

Of course, in an ideal world even after no longer needing to hand off an item to a friend to hand it off in turn to an alt, perhaps those 7 extra characters would still mostly avoid the fate of becoming bank alts. But that would be a world after retainer revenue, and with that the desire to avoid their fees.

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You lost me there I wasnt even talking about retainers , more so like a character bank or something of the sort thats maybe done in the mog station or something and , its two dollars more, or maybe three I dont remeber. And also you pay for mounts are clothes in the mog station as well.

I totally agree with you.... Because we ARE paying extra for our alts we should be getting something back for what we pay for..like you.. i dont mind levelling again.. in fact i have...1 main and 2 alts all at 60 with all gatherers and crafters at 60... all your asking basicly is having the right to be able to help your alts yourself.. your not asking for anything to be skipped.. your not asking for hand outs.. ur asking that your alts be able to ** communicate** with each other via mail or other means eg an internal bank.. to send gear across or gil across etc. And i fully agree and totally support that and i know im not the only one. yes we dont need to have alts but if we choose to PAY the extra to have them then we should be able to communicate with them somehow without relying on friends or the fc chest.. nor should we have to make our own fc to be able to do this.