1080p60 cheap pc build

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Hi!
The purpose of this topic is to help people build a PC as cheap as possible to play FFXIV at 1080p and 60fps. (In doubt, one could go for better/pricier components, but everyone can't. So one would better know what is needed!)

- 1080p60 everywhere?
- Well, ideally! If a setup can't 60fps at very specific places, it is good to mention that setup! :)

Where to start?

Recommended System Requirements

One way to known what is needed would be to look at every component's specs and compare them to the game's recommended system requirements. But we won't know the framerate until we buy-build-play, because we don't know what the recommended system requirements can do.

official benchmark

Another way to known what is needed would be to look at the official benchmark results players share and look at those players' PC builds. But the benchmark score says nothing about framerate. At best, you get the average framerate in the expended results, but nothing about its min/max/dispersion. And values are, well, just values. I found a Windows 10 test version, so I could run the benchmark on my PC. With all settings at their lowest, I scored 1500+. According to the official site: "Capable of running the game, but will experience slowdown. Adjusting settings may improve performance." Didn't it see I had all settings already adjusted and an average 10fps?

logicalincrements.com

Another way to known what is needed is to check this site. I found it recently, it has all the theoretical information needed.
- they have different budget-tier builds;
- each build is rated according to a few games, including WoW;
- the rating system refers to a resolution/framerate target;
- they have different "best game builds", including one for World of Warcraft Legion. I asked them, and it seems a wow-4-star build should be more than fine for FFXIV.

Ok. So, theoretically, I know what I need. But am I sure about it and can I get it with less?

Players' feedback!
There's only one non-theoretical way to known what is enough: ask players what PC build they have and how close to 1080p60 they get. We Want You!
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If you play FFXIV on PC, can you reply this way? (64bits, DirectX11 would be nice, since Stormblood will require them!)

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1) My PC build can run FFXIV at 1080p and 60fps:
 - Everywhere
 - Almost everywhere
 - Nowhere.
2) Other settings (visual effects, drivers...):
 - Adjustments made that helped, if any noticed;
 - Adjustments that won't help that much, if any noticed.
3) (if you have access to your CPU/GPU/RAM charges):
 - CPU charge;
 - GPU charge;
 - RAM used.
4) If the PC build can run at 1080p60 almost everywhere:
- When/where does the framerate fall?
- How low does the framerate fall to?
- if you have access to your CPU/GPU/RAM charges, what is bottlenecking your system?
5) The PC build is:
 - CPU;
 - GPU;
 - RAM;
 - whatever seems important too.
6) any comment you see fit!

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What we would need to know is what your budget is and what you already had in mind.

As for what you're looking for:

1) My PC build can run FFXIV at 1080p and 60fps:

- Almost everywhere

2) Other settings (visual effects, drivers...):
I run completely full settings.
3) (if you have access to your CPU/GPU/RAM charges):
- CPU charge;
- GPU charge;
- RAM used.
4) If the PC build can run at 1080p60 almost everywhere:
- Idyllshire on a full day, drops to 35-45
- if you have access to your CPU/GPU/RAM charges, what is bottlenecking your system?
5) The PC build is:
- CPU; AMD 8320
- GPU; RX 480 (recently bought, had radeon 7850 before)
- RAM; 8 GB DDR 3 PC 1866

Hi!

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Originally Posted by Failia

What we would need to know is what your budget is and what you already had in mind.

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This topic is not about building a PC with a budget in mind, but building a PC with a result in mind! Visual effects and prices may vary :)

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Originally Posted by Failia

As for what you're looking for: (...)

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If I understand right, your PC gets below 60fps only at Idyllshire. That's good to know! And your GPU is enough, so good to know too :)

About Idyllshire:
Is it possible that you get a better framerate by lowering your visual settings, or is it really a CPU issue?

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I probably could but I got this card so I would be able to run the game on ultra settings (as well as other things). Before that I had to tune down a lot of things (reflections, shadows, etc) or I'd be really bad in Idyllshire. If I faced a certain way, my game would freeze completely for a second and even then I'd get at most 30 FPS (and that was with mostly facing the ground). I've had the same CPU for 3 years now and when I got it then, it was only a step down from the then current top of the line AMD 8350.

Please!
Share your PC builds and their abilities to run 1080p60 :)

1) My PC build can run FFXIV at 1080p and 60fps:
- Everywhere

2) Other settings (visual effects, drivers...):
- Maximum


5) The PC build is:
- CPU - i7 4790
- GPU - GTX 980ti
- RAM - 8GB 2666Mhz - Dual Channel

This is while Playing @ 4K Resolution, so I imagine 1080p would be much higher.


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Because FFXIV is primarily CPU Bound when pushing for a constant 60FPS this is the build that you could work with.

i7 (Quad with Hyperthreading - Ivybridge or better)
8 GB of Ram - FFXIV does prefer higher ram speeds so 2133Mhz or better
GPU - GTX 1060(maybe GTX 1050ti?) or RX 480 (RX 470?)

You can pair an i7 with a much cheaper GPU and achieve the contant 60 FPS at 1080p.

You can also use an i5 IvyBridge or newer for a near constant 60FPS but there will be dips in highly populated areas due to the lack of Hyperthreading.

currently running an odd setup buddy replaced all his stuff and gave me his old things not that im complaining lol went form athlon 22o to fx 9590 and a gt 430 to a 780ti sc


60+ no issues anywhere

CPU: AMD FX(tm)-9590 Eight-Core Processor
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti
Ram: 16gb

something that helped me when mulling things around gave me a better idea on what people were testing with and where id stand lol and from there amazon 2 day shipping ftw
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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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Nice build you have! (though not one of the cheapest :o)
Do you know how low your framerate falls at Idyllshire? Is it getting close to 60fps or do you have much more? (ie. is your build extra powerful or is it still required for Idyllshire?) An i7 6700K is quite expensive! :o
You mention hyperthreading: is it like multithreading?
Dreaming noob question: have you tested your CPU's integrated graphics? Is it nowhere near capable or could it run the game at lowest settings?

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Originally Posted by M4DH4TT3R

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Huge CPU too!
Your link is interesting; I have a question though: is it comparing builds to game required builds?
FFXIV required build is kinda roller coaster depending in where you are in game :(
If developers shared a 1080p60 Idyllshire required build, your site would be really helpful :)

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1) My PC build can run FFXIV at 1080p and 60fps:
- Almost everywhere
Sidenote, I run the game at a 2560*1080 most of the time at 70~75 FPS with a secondary screen beside it.

2) Other settings (visual effects, drivers...):
- Adjustments made that helped, if any noticed;
- Adjustments that won't help that much, if any noticed.
3) (if you have access to your CPU/GPU/RAM charges):
- CPU charge;
- GPU charge;
- RAM used.
4) If the PC build can run at 1080p60 almost everywhere:
- When/where does the framerate fall?
A fully crowded Idylshire and 24 man raid boss fights dip my FPS.
- How low does the framerate fall to?
Never below 45.
- if you have access to your CPU/GPU/RAM charges, what is bottlenecking your system?
5) The PC build is:
- CPU; Intel i7 2600k (An oldy, but it still does what I need it to do.)
- GPU; Nvidia GeForce GTX 960
- RAM; 16GB

6) any comment you see fit!
My system could probably perform a lot better considering its specs, I'm going to have to test this once I've installed my new hard drives and have given my PC a completely fresh installation, which I haven't done since 2012(?)

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Originally Posted by Shirai

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Mmh it seems that to get 60fps in Idylshire, without limiting anything, a PC build should run at 95-100fps elsewhere! Can players confirm this?

Also, players who reported their builds have 8-core/thread CPUs. Is this important? Can 4-core/thread CPUs run at 60fps in Idyllshire?

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Someone here suggested hyperthreading being useful for this game. From what I read, hyperthreading does not help performance in this game, and that's true for most games. So an Intel i5 6600k is a good alternative to the Intel i7 6700k and costs ~$100 less, unless you use applications that do benefit from hyperthreading, such as video encoding, streaming, graphic design, etc. A 6600k cpu and 1060 gtx gpu should be able to get constant 60 FPS everywhere except highly populated areas with 30+ players, I'm guessing it will drop down to 55fps at worst with some occasional stutter trying to load other players.

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

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For what I understand yet, hyper-threading is Intel enabling multi-threading at a core level. So it requires an OS (usually windows) able to work with multi-threading and a program (FFXIV here) able too.
The CPU recommended by SE is a 2.66GHz i5, so I think it's the i5 750. The i5 750 being a 4-core/4-thread CPU, I would believe FFXIV is optimized to - at least - use 4 cores or threads benefit from a PC using 4 cores or threads.
About muti-threading, I also understand that logical cores - added threads, by software or hardware - will only theoretically offer 100% more power; maybe more often 30-40% more. (Correct me if I am wrong!) So more threads can help, but not that much; hence the feeling games aren't optimized for extra logical cores.

So I think 4-core CPUs are maybe the best to start with, as an FFXIV build.
The i5 6500 or 6600k are 4/4 CPUs. With those:
- can anyone get to 100fps mostly everywhere (and maybe then 60fps at least);
- can anyone manage to get at least 60fps in Idylshire (limiting players shown)?

If you can't, it's good to know too! :)


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Bump! :o

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

(...) So I think 4-core CPUs are maybe the best to start with, as an FFXIV build.
The i5 6500 or 6600k are 4/4 CPUs. With those:
- can anyone get to 100fps mostly everywhere (and maybe then 60fps at least);
- can anyone manage to get at least 60fps in Idylshire (limiting players shown)?

If you can't, it's good to know too! :)

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Visual effects may vary! As long as +60fps or close is obtained, it is interesting to know what might be sacrificed :)

Also, Can one confirm the average framerate required to stay at +60fps when it drops? Is it around 100fps?

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Some news to work on!

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

I get much higher minimum FPS using an i7 4790 (4Core with Hyperthreading) than I did with an i5 4670k. Character rendering in highly populated areas seems to be able to use Hyperthreading. On my i5 it would max out a single core for those resources and then limit FPS to like 35-40.

I've run with an i7 3930k and it used as many Cores as I could throw at. So I wouldn't recommend anything less than an i5 2500

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

Could it mean that:
1) XIV won't benefit much from that many threads,
2) but the specific process that deals with characters can?
Ie. XIV is more of a single-core/thread game whereas the characters process benefits from all threads available? So if I want to keep a good framerate in Idyllshire, I need as much threads as possible; and they'll keep quiet in 4-player dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

That is how it seems. And for some reason Hyperthreading gives that character data more processing headroom since while it allows additional threads it is still a single logical Core.


I haven't compared this to an i3 Dual Core with Hyperthreading although it could be limited by processing power anyway because I have used one of those G3250 Anniversary CPUS (Dual Core Haswell that you can overclock) @ 4.5Ghz and it was terrible being constantly pegged at 100% usage.

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To players who have +8 cores/threads:
Does your framerate lower much in really crowded places?
Does XIV benefit from most of them or does it work mainly on a few?


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Sorry for the hijack, but I'm looking for 1440p @ 60fps. Got an i7 6700k. Would an RX480 8gb cut it?

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Originally Posted by RedSunset

Sorry for the hijack, but I'm looking for 1440p @ 60fps. Got an i7 6700k. Would an RX480 8gb cut it?

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hi!
Don't forget to answer the initial post when/if you'll can :p

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

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To players who have +8 cores/threads:
Does your framerate lower much in really crowded places?
Does XIV benefit from most of them or does it work mainly on a few?

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Also, has someone tested XIV with AMD's new Ryzens? Can they handle Idyllshire? Does your framerate vary a lot between sparsely and highly populated places?



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Hi!

Has anyone tried AMD's Ryzen 5 1500X and 1600X?

Can they keep 1080p60 everywhere?

Hi!
On PC, we can improve the frame rate by reducing the CPU workload :):
System Configuration > Other Settings > Display Limits
(that on a PS4 would be great) :mad:

By default, I found it at "Maximum"

Most of the time, lowering it didn't do anything, maybe because most of the time the quantity of characters and objects displayed already matched lower settings and my CPU didn't bottleneck. But, at highly populated places (now Eulmore), that quantity is huge! There, my CPU bottlenecks and selecting a smaller quantity has an effect.

With a Ryzen 3 2200G (CPU only), the "Minimum" settings could enable 60fps. (for now.)
And a steady frame rate matching a monitor's steady refresh rate is soooooo good!

:confused: So, what limit do you need to get that steady 60fps everywhere? :confused:
:D Post your CPU/GPU/Limit! :D