Can we feed our squadron?

Right now Culinarians don't have much compared to the other crafters. I am thinking if we could feed food to our squadron for different effects it could make culinarians more fun and profitable.

What I am thinking is allow us to feed food to our squadrons, with different food giving different effects.

Some example effects:

1. Healthy food can give permanent boosts to specific stats, with each such food being capped at 1-5 of a stat, with higher level food being able to increase more. Normal quality foods can only increase a stat by 0.5, while high quality foods can increase a stat by 1.0. For example, Sauteed Coeurl is a healthy food that can increase Physical stat, and because it is an "xyz" difficulty food, it can increase the Physical stat by up to 2 points. A squad person would have to eat 4x normal quality Sauteed Coeurl or, 2x HQ Sauteed Coeurl, or a combination of them to obtain the full 2 points.

2. Special food can give mission affinity squadron chemistry bonuses, whether with 100% chance at obtaining a specific bonus, x% chance, chance that scales depending on quality of food, and/or chance at different types of chemistry bonuses. A high RNG factor here can be used to ensure a large quantity of high level food are consumed as people try to reroll their squadron chemistry bonuses, but IMO, a moderate or even low RNG factor would still make Culinarians quite more profitable.

3. Dessert food can be used on the squadron for changing their physiology. It should be possible to feed your squadron a lot of cakes and other nutritionally empty foods and make them avoid exercise to increase body fat, and on the other side of the same coin, feed them healthy food and make them do regular exercise to reduce body fat. Not only that, once an excess of dessert foods are given to them, it should be possible for their stats to reflect their poor diet. Although not necessary, it would also be great if Culinarians could craft completely unhealthy foods such as a wide variety of alcoholic beverages and junk food, maybe even with expiration date timers or the ability to spike the food with poison, with the primary purpose of such items being to make your squadron inebriated, unhealthy, or even sickly. It should be possible that your squadron becomes so unhealthy they lose squadron levels and suffer from medical conditions that are reflective of the type of diet they have or of the types of poisons they have consumed. For example, a shriekshroom beer that not only intoxicates your squadron people, but can also have negative stat effects due to having been made of shriekshroom past expiration date and which have grown toxic mold that inhibits the body's metabolism and causes extreme cases of obesity, so people have an option to greatly accelerate the fattening process (and an option should be there to greatly accelerate fat loss). Once squadron people become sufficiently obese, it should unlock the option to place 4 star carpenter furniture in your barracks designed specifically for squadron you have fattened up. Although this kind of alternate progression will probably never result in rewards like doing squadrons normally, it will allow people to do more with their squadron which is a good thing in an MMO.

4. Culinarians should be able to cook in the barracks, and people should be able to eat at the same table with their squadron. Ideally, it should be possible to cook with your squadron, and if someone wanted to, he should be able to cook his own squadron. It is very wasteful that you can only dismiss your squadron due to the 8 squadron person limit. Consuming your own squadron should give bonus stats to other squadron who eat them, and if possible, even give permanent bonuses to the player character.

These are just some of the great ideas I have about improving the squadron experience. I will stop here because my other suggestions are not safe for work and would probably break some laws.

Culinarian don't have much? Do you even CUL?

All 60's, books, overmelded. I do so much crafting that I am bored of making gil and have spent many hours offering free crafting on party finder and in shout often using my own crystals. I have done plenty of culinarian crafting in an attempt to make a profit, and during this new patch I went crazy and made hundreds of seafood stew and controlled 80%+ of the market for over a week on my server. But the profit I made from all that seafood stew probably didn't even match the profit I made from selling one or two blacksmith weapons. In all my free crafting, I've only been asked to make food like less than 1-2% of the time.

Is that CUL enough for you?

You're trying to compare culinarian income to blacksmith? It's like comparing the wages of a full time employee to a casual. Culinarian and Alchemist are in a unique position in that after the first few weeks of a patch launch they are still relevant to endgame. People will still buy potions and foods once they're decked out in 250+ gear. But the 250 crafted gear itself? Not so much. It'll plummet in price.

Think of it as Culinarians/ALC having a salary, a full time job. You can always expect an income regardless of the patch cycle.

Everything else? Casuals. They have their seasonal work but not much else.

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Originally Posted by Pence

You're trying to compare culinarian income to blacksmith? It's like comparing the wages of a full time employee to a casual. Culinarian and Alchemist are in a unique position in that after the first few weeks of a patch launch they are still relevant to endgame. People will still buy potions and foods once they're decked out in 250+ gear. But the 250 crafted gear itself? Not so much. It'll plummet in price.

Think of it as Culinarians/ALC having a salary, a full time job. You can always expect an income regardless of the patch cycle.

Everything else? Casuals. They have their seasonal work but not much else.

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A full time job, where each HQ seafood stew costs 10k gil when there is no peak demand, and 16k gil during peak demand? Sorry, I'll take the full time job where I can craft ironworks gear at ~1m gil per sale when there is no peak demand, and by the way, on Cactuar server, ironworks gear prices and profit went way up above ~ 1m each during this new patch since people are trying to gear up to craft the 250 gear. Regardless of patch cycle, culinarian is less, or more accurately, much less, profitable than just about any other crafting classes.

Seriously, why are people arguing with me? I am making suggestions that would make culinarian more interesting, more profitable, and make squadrons more interesting as well. And my response is people erroneously claiming culinarians are profitable enough, as if that is a valid reason not to implement feeding squadrons? Wow, I better refrain from posting on weekend holidays from now on I can't handle the madness!

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

Seriously, why are people arguing with me? I am making suggestions that would make culinarian more interesting, more profitable, and make squadrons more interesting as well. And my response is people erroneously claiming culinarians are profitable enough, as if that is a valid reason not to implement feeding squadrons? Wow, I better refrain from posting on weekend holidays from now on I can't handle the madness!

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Great idea actually.
Let's extend it to gearing our squadron up with CRP, BSM, ARM, GSM, LTW, WVR, ALC.
Also, let's extend it to feeding our Retainers with CUL food.
I mean, really. We should have had that from the start. Feeding our retainers with food too.

I'm not sure what it's like on your server...but I've managed to successfully make bank on both NA and JP server with casually playing CUL. I'm horrible at it. I google rotations. I even had to get my RL best boi to log onto my account to complete the Ixali story quests in 2.4 (2.5?).

Your suggestion is good: But why should it be limited to CUL? Why not let us treat them like retainers, but have them only use crafted armors? Add a potion per run to increase stats.

I have nothing against giving other crafting classes more things to craft. I focus on culinarian here because I feel strongly that culinarians have been getting the shaft for a while. I was sad when I found out culinarian furniture hardly ever sold on my server, I'm talking about less than one page per year for most culinarian furniture. It was just recently they made culinarian food give 3x more food than before, THREE TIMES, and yes that is a wonderful improvement, but when that happened, alchemists also got quantity boosts, while alchemy also have recipes that are ESSENTIAL for almost all of the new ironworks, and for the 250 armor pieces excepting the weapons.

So IMO, since culinarians don't have recipes that are essential for any of the new gear for the last two big patches, they deserve special attention, in the form of cooking your squadron etc.

You're upset that culinarians can't cook you furniture?....I would suggest if you can not find value in CUL that you never attempt becoming a Marketing major.

In a game which everyone can level everything....is it seriously an issue? As a MCH I'm not crying that a SMN can dish out more AOE damage.

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Originally Posted by Pence

You're upset that culinarians can't cook you furniture?....I would suggest if you can not find value in CUL that you never attempt becoming a Marketing major.

In a game which everyone can level everything....is it seriously an issue? As a MCH I'm not crying that a SMN can dish out more AOE damage.

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I'm disappointed that Culinarians are shafted. What the hell does marketing major have to do with anything?

In a game where everyone can level everything, yes, it is an issue that Culinarians keep getting shafted because it means people who raise Culinarian to 60, get Culinarian gear, and get Culinarian specialization don't benefit as much as if they were to focus on the other classes, thereby making Culinarian content which is least desirable to do compared to the other classes.

To spell it out for you, PEOPLE BALANCE CLASSES SO THAT THERE IS LESS UNDERPOWERED CLASSES. UNDERPOWERED CLASSES ARE BAD BECAUSE HOWEVER UNDERPOWERED IT IS IT BECOMES PROPORTIONALLY LESS RELEVANT.

Seriously, you are missing the point on so many levels, why am I even bothering banging my head against the wall.

This thread is about a suggestion to make squadrons more interesting and give culinarians some more value to their existing recipes, mmmmmmmmmmkay? Bye.

No, they're only "shafted" if your only goal is pure profit.

My raid leader is a CUL and he's one so that he can make all our raid food for DIRT CHEAP compared to buying off MB since each of us go through 10-15 food a week. There's 8 of us, so since our food is 10-15k each for HQ, that's over 1 million Gil a WEEK.

Unless you're on some non raiding server, people will constantly buy relevant food.

If you want to "get rich quick" then no, don't be a CUL. But they always make steady profits instead

Ashelia, does anything in your post have any relevance to whether or not feeding squadron should be implemented?

Please stay on topic.

This is driving me insane. You have multiple people here who admit culinarians make less gil. Okay. Fine. What is your point with all your arguing then? God, this is beyond inane.

Better get used to it, this is how these forums are.

And my post is relevant to the previous discussion being held here. You can create the topic but you can't moderate it, that's the point of a discussion.

But if you want my opinion, your idea sucks. The entire squadron concept is already dumb, don't need to add more to the garbage

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

Seriously, why are people arguing with me?!

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Yes hello, welcome to the forums. Here's your jacket.

More on-topic, it's a neat idea. Making crafting more lucrative beyond a source of income would, I think, encourage more people to participate. That said, applying it to squadrons first and foremost may fall flat, as it doesn't seem like many people want to participate, or enjoy the GC squadrons content.

Dinner time! *rings bell*

Squadron recruits come running.

Yes, feed and grow strong my lalafell minions.

I agree with the OP, even though I don't even care about the income.
It's about feeling useful and needed. CUL barely is used in housing (no outdoor dishes! few indoor ones), has no use in glamouring, barely anyone but raiders even uses food while everyone does wear gear since there are ilvl requirements for everything but no "food" requirements or anything. I understand how some of these make sense (how would a cook help when you want your gloves to look different?) but that doesn't mean it's fair that CUL doesn't have something else he is useful in that the others are not.

I really wish CUL got more love from the devs. And the OP's idea is a very creative way of doing that :)

Aside from that, anything that lets me interact with my squad more would be apprechiated :x

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

All 60's, books, overmelded. I do so much crafting that I am bored of making gil and have spent many hours offering free crafting on party finder and in shout often using my own crystals. I have done plenty of culinarian crafting in an attempt to make a profit, and during this new patch I went crazy and made hundreds of seafood stew and controlled 80%+ of the market for over a week on my server. But the profit I made from all that seafood stew probably didn't even match the profit I made from selling one or two blacksmith weapons. In all my free crafting, I've only been asked to make food like less than 1-2% of the time.

Is that CUL enough for you?

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Bad luck then, I make 3M+ a week off CUL on my server. Even have ppl the come to me for their raid food.

IDK, I feel pretty useful as-is. I blow through a LOT of food during a raid week. It was totally worth leveling CUL just so I don't have line someone else's pockets.

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Originally Posted by cakesphere

IDK, I feel pretty useful as-is. I blow through a LOT of food during a raid week. It was totally worth leveling CUL just so I don't have line someone else's pockets.

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That's pretty much a part of the mentality of anyone taking up crafting/gathering profs in any MMO.

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Originally Posted by SessionZero

Yes hello, welcome to the forums. Here's your jacket.

More on-topic, it's a neat idea. Making crafting more lucrative beyond a source of income would, I think, encourage more people to participate. That said, applying it to squadrons first and foremost may fall flat, as it doesn't seem like many people want to participate, or enjoy the GC squadrons content.

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I agree there's probably a lot of people who aren't interested in GC squadron right now, but I think it has a lot of potential. The two main issues I see right now is that it isn't that involving, and the rewards seem to be quite bad. It can be made more involving by giving players multiple ways to improve and interact with their squadron, and rewards can take many different forms without breaking the economy or causing it to be a source of income for goldsellers. For example, rewards can be entirely no-drop so that they can't be sold for gil, and/or they could be entirely cosmetic.

Just an example of the kinds of rewards they could give, squadrons can earn players cash shop points that can be redeemed for certain or all cash shop items, old event items, and maybe vouchers for x number of days of free subscription, with the caveat that none of the items purchased with cash shop points can be traded or sold on the marketboard so as to remove incentive for goldsellers to misuse the cash shop point system and to prevent market saturation.

And people who want to argue that what I suggest will cut into Square-Enix's cash shop or subscription revenue, to the degree that is a concern for Square Enix, they can just specify exactly what items will be purchasable with cash shop points and adjust the cost for those items in order to satisfy both their accountants and their customers. Although they will for sure lose some revenue by implementing this cash shop point system, they will also be gaining revenue from people who decide to keep subscribing because of the cash shop point system. For example, Square-Enix can make the difficulty of obtaining rewards such that players doing squadrons might result on average 1 less cosmetic item sold per month per subscriber (let's just say $1 revenue loss for the example, but we can't begin to guess at potential revenue loss without cash shop sales data), and maybe $1 revenue loss on subscriptions per month per subscriber, for a total of $2 loss in revenue per person per month. But if on average people subscribe longer or there are more subscribers thanks to the implementation of said cash shop point system, it may be they will earn a net revenue gain. I bet there's lots of people out there who would definitely consider subscribing longer than they otherwise would if they felt participating in some game activity like squadron could result in being able to obtain old event items, cash shop items, and vouchers for free subscription days.

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Originally Posted by Lulu89

Bad luck then, I make 3M+ a week off CUL on my server. Even have ppl the come to me for their raid food.

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All this arguing against me saying culinarians need some love is like beating a dead horse to the point the horse's corpse has vanished. I can't see any traces of the horse left, even what particles of horse blood staining the ground has been atomized and blown far away, please... let it go.

Can we please just focus on feeding squadrons.

Honestly I dont need a tamagotchi squad on ffxiv. I was terrible at taking care of chocobos in xi. I really dont need more on my plate with these ding dongs. To be frank even if i was to feed them .. They'd probably choke on it and die.

No thanks. I already pay them seals, they can get their own gaddang food.

No thank you, they can search their food by themselves with our GC seals.

Also why should we babysit our squadron like they can't do anything lmao.

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Originally Posted by Eul

Also why should we babysit our squadron like they can't do anything lmao.

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So when you invite your friends over in RL and cook for them to celebrate a recent success that is babysitting? Good to know..:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Atoli

So when you invite your friends over in RL and cook for them to celebrate a recent success that is babysitting? Good to know..:rolleyes:

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It's kinda different to compare our squad with friends IMO.

..CUL is being shafted? Man...my CUL friends make more then almost any other crafting job.

Can we gear them up to make them a super-sentai?

I like how everyone seemed to miss the thing about cooking your squadron and consuming them. Everything else sounds okay, but that is just disturbing.

Personally I'd rather have the developers add the ability to flip through the list of new recruits. So as not to guess on the job the next candidate and actually compare them based on what I actually need for the last two openings.

I just want this so that there'd be a funny cut scene of them chowing down or something.