hardware?!?!?

WTF what kinda friggen hardware does it take to run this game at more than just low to medium graphics.... i got a monster of a computer and i still can't run at even close to max settings

AMD Phenom II X6 1100T
ATI HD 6970 x 2 in crossfire mode
8 Gb DDR3 Dominator Gaming ram
Sabertooth 990FX motherboard
Raptor hardrive 150gigs

only thing I've not done is liquid cool (yet, but will soon, then I'll over cloak =D)
so what kinda hardware does one need to run at max graphical settings...

Do you have Ambient Occlusion turned on?
What's your Quality setting? (Hint set it to 8).

um, I have an:
AMD Phenom II X4
AMD Radeon HD6770
4 GB DDR3 memory
generic 500 gb HD

I run everything at max settings so I dont know what you problem is (I dont have DoF and AO on, also if you're trying to take general drawing quality above standard you're doing it wrong)

ok i had AO and DoF turned on, thats prolly it, but what do those do and why are the an option if no one can turn them on w/o major video lag?

AO uses a LOT of resources, but they are supposed to be optimizing it with the new engine. Ambient Occlusion adds more depth to shadows and lighting (or something close to that) and Depth of Field makes distant object blurry and they become more clear as you get closer.

ah i see, thankyou for telling me, i'll try again when my system is liquid cooled and most likely over clocked (safely)

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ah i see, thankyou for telling me, i'll try again when my system is liquid cooled and most likely over clocked (safely)

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It's ok to leave DOF on i play with a 450gt around the same setting PrettyPrincess said without issue.

Now with AO lol that other story.

Yeah, they screwed up AO in this game, so it will bog down every GPU you throw at it. I also remember something about ATI cards having more problems with it than nVidia (something about shadows being rendered incorrectly) so you're better off turning it off.

gawd, cannot wait for the new engine to be implemented lol.

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Yeah, they screwed up AO in this game, so it will bog down every GPU you throw at it. I also remember something about ATI cards having more problems with it than nVidia (something about shadows being rendered incorrectly) so you're better off turning it off.

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You can always did what I did with shadows; turn them down. Having them full effect to me made it look to unnatural. What I mean is this. In real life sure you have a basic outline of a shadow but it's NEVER perfect along the edges. So I turned mine down so I can still see them but it gives this really cool rough more "realistic" effect. Just a thought. :)

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gawd, cannot wait for the new engine to be implemented lol.

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Yeah me too. I'll finally be able to get my setting to uber if they do it right and see all that was put into the game graphically. I still LOVE the graphics about this game I imho they are the best! :p

Oh indeed. I just want to turn AO on lol ; ;

Me too. I remember I had it on when game released and my machine went "GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" took like 10 minutes to get control again lol

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You can always did what I did with shadows; turn them down.

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Yeah, but AO is all about realistic shadows, so if you turn them down, you can as well turn AO off ;)

Yes true you can :P lol And that should have said "do what I did* not did what I did." Grammar Pfffftttt

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ok i had AO and DoF turned on, thats prolly it, but what do those do and why are the an option if no one can turn them on w/o major video lag?

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You have a monster computer with a Crossfire setup and you don't what Ambient Occlusion does...?

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You have a monster computer with a Crossfire setup and you don't what Ambient Occlusion does...?

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Monster computer doesn't equal high computer (graphics) knowledge. My brothers have no idea about all those features too, simply cause i'm the one maintaining all the systems. All they know is that their PCs can run games at setting I set up for them without lagging :P

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AO uses a LOT of resources

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I believe AO isn't hardware optimized under DX9 which is what the current game engine is based on. Will need DX10+ or 11 (don't remember which) for it.

Some AO similar effects are already on, even if AO is off... oddly enough.
But honestly, just turn AO off, and you will run the game just fine.

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I believe AO isn't hardware optimized under DX9 which is what the current game engine is based on. Will need DX10+ or 11 (don't remember which) for it.

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It has nothing to do with that most likely. From what I know, there are so many parameters in an AO implementation that can be set to suboptimal values that it's pretty easy to mess things up. Most frequent mistake, according to my prof, is setting the count of samples to look for occlusion to a too high value, which results in huge performance issues. Which reminds me of what FFXIV's AO does :P

we'll play 1 whole year till they change the engine... shame... they can make something to improve our actual situation...

Hello everyone! I plan on buying a new computer next week and was wondering if this is a good one to start with. I'm on a budget and wanted to start with something that could play the game on at least medium settings while I upgraded necessary parts. What do y'all think?


AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3.3GHz
8GB
Hard Drive
1TB
Optical Drive 1
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive
Graphics
Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 1GB
Gigabit Ethernet
Power Supply
700W
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Memory Speed
DDR3 1333
Memory Spec
4GB x 2
Memory Slot (Total)
2

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Hello everyone! I plan on buying a new computer next week and was wondering if this is a good one to start with. I'm on a budget and wanted to start with something that could play the game on at least medium settings while I upgraded necessary parts. What do y'all think?


AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3.3GHz
8GB
Hard Drive
1TB
Optical Drive 1
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive
Graphics
Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 1GB
Gigabit Ethernet
Power Supply
700W
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Memory Speed
DDR3 1333
Memory Spec
4GB x 2
Memory Slot (Total)
2

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That is very good!

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That is very good!

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Oh good! I was hoping so. Been stressing for the past week over this. lol Will be ordering it in 1 week. I can't wait! I play on a laptop right now and get 15-20 fps on low settings but meh, it's ok. I dont even attempt to party up but for soloing or for crafting it isn't bad. lol I'M SO EXCITED NOW!!!! MWHWAHAHAHAHA! :)

For some reason MSAA needs to be set to none. My laptop has DoF on textures and shadows on high but and the other on standard (8). Basically ambient needs to be off and in some cases MSAA as well.

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For some reason MSAA needs to be set to none. My laptop has DoF on textures and shadows on high but and the other on standard (8). Basically ambient needs to be off and in some cases MSAA as well.

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Thank you leomike35 I will definitely try that tomorrow when I am able to play again. Much appreciated. :)

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AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3.3GHz
8GB
Hard Drive
1TB
Optical Drive 1
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive
Graphics
Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 1GB
Gigabit Ethernet
Power Supply
700W
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Memory Speed
DDR3 1333
Memory Spec
4GB x 2
Memory Slot (Total)
2

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Depends on the price. Also, I don't like that AMD CPU. I have one myself and I'm regretting not having bought Intel instead. The reason is simple; yes, the CPU is cheaper, but it gets hot easily, getting over it's temp limit with a boxed cooler. So you have to spend more on an aftermarket one - and a big one at that, which possibly won't fit into your case anymore -> new case needed. Another point to think about is power consumption, AMD CPUs are hot AND power hungry, which makes the more expensive in the long run.

The mainboard matters a lot, too. If what you list is a pre-built system, then chances are they are going to save money on the mobo, potentially crippling your system. As an example, my AMD board has a SB750 chipset, once i turn that one on, my windows boot takes me 30 seconds more to complete.

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For some reason MSAA needs to be set to none. My laptop has DoF on textures and shadows on high but and the other on standard (8). Basically ambient needs to be off and in some cases MSAA as well.

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My MSAA is @ 4x and I've got no performance issues with a 260GTX, which is an older card

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I believe AO isn't hardware optimized under DX9 which is what the current game engine is based on. Will need DX10+ or 11 (don't remember which) for it.

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This isn't a hardware feature or part of the D3D runtime library. The PS2 did AO without issue with many games including FFXI.

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Depends on the price. Also, I don't like that AMD CPU. I have one myself and I'm regretting not having bought Intel instead. The reason is simple; yes, the CPU is cheaper, but it gets hot easily, getting over it's temp limit with a boxed cooler. So you have to spend more on an aftermarket one - and a big one at that, which possibly won't fit into your case anymore -> new case needed. Another point to think about is power consumption, AMD CPUs are hot AND power hungry, which makes the more expensive in the long run.

The mainboard matters a lot, too. If what you list is a pre-built system, then chances are they are going to save money on the mobo, potentially crippling your system. As an example, my AMD board has a SB750 chipset, once i turn that one on, my windows boot takes me 30 seconds more to complete.

My MSAA is @ 4x and I've got no performance issues with a 260GTX, which is an older card

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In that case she would just need to get this then
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065

It is a wonderful heatsink. I overclocked a phenom II x4 from 3.4 to 3.6 ghz and it runs a wonderful 48c :3

I have something like this (a mugen2) and mine is still at ~54° on max load in summer, but my room is on the top floor so maybe that's why. Had to put a lot of fans into my case to get it down to acceptable temps.. and i even had to undervolt my Phenom II X4

CPU temps really don't have much influence on stability unless they become obnoxiously high. Unless you are regularly getting BSODs and the like your CPU temp is not much of a factor.

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This isn't a hardware feature or part of the D3D runtime library. The PS2 did AO without issue with many games including FFXI.

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Mmmm, since when did FFXI use AO? AO wasn't supposed to be usable in realtime rendering until the development of SSAO for Crysis in 2007.

http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guid...ient-occlusion

I think you are confusing AO with something else.

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Mmmm, since when did FFXI use AO? AO wasn't supposed to be usable in realtime rendering until the development of SSAO for Crysis in 2007.

http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guid...ient-occlusion

I think you are confusing AO with something else.

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Yes I'm thinking of Depth of Field... not Ambient Occlusion...

I run on less than max settings, because I like max fps at all times. I have noticed that a huge difference was made when I installed a solid state drive and put the game on that. But dual gtx580's in SLI with nvidia surround has allowed me to play at 5760x1920 at draw quality 8, everything else max, 16x AA, AO and DoF off. But my cards are screaming at that point. Still it looks damned good.