One man Dungeon .. or whatever "Soloable" quest

I've been thinking of this idea...
why they don't add anything with solo to challenge your skills and by finishing it ppl will know that you understand and know how to play in your specific class,,, in reward you get a unique ex/rare items as a proof,,,:cool:

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Originally Posted by Rak_Boy

I've been thinking of this idea...
why they don't add anything with solo to challenge your skills and by finishing it ppl will know that you understand and know how to play in your specific class,,, in reward you get a unique ex/rare items as a proof,,,:cool:

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Solo content is boring /yawn. imo

I don't play MMO to play S O L O

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Originally Posted by DNO

But it looks like YOU =/= everyone.

Some people love MMO and love to solo. people need to understand this.

OT: any idea to to add content to the game is awesome IMO. Sounds cool.

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Oh really? That must be why I said imo ... In My Opinion. My opinion. I (myself, me, this guy right here) don't play no mmo to solo.

If you want a fight, you came to the right place. Derpy Derpleton

There are alot of soloable quest honestly... I believe almost all of them are atm honestly. AS well as all the leves.

Issue with a solo dungeons I see is balance, some classes will just be far better then others in it. So for some classes it will be a joke to beat others it will be nightmarishly hard.

That and Solo play does not show people you know your class in my opinion. It proves you can solo effectively, but in a group setting most those skills are usually worthless. In group situations the focus is working together balancing hate with dmg/cures apposed to knowing what to do alone which simply involves knowing what to do to survive longer then the opponent.

i wouldn't mind a dungeon form of maat lol.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Solo content is boring /yawn. imo

I don't play MMO to play S O L O

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But it looks like YOU =/= everyone.

Some people love MMO and love to solo. people need to understand this.

OT: any idea to to add content to the game is awesome IMO. Sounds cool.

if the item is fashion rare = yes, rare and useful = no

id like to be able to get ifrit like weapons without relying on 7 other humans who i do not know. what are friends... lets not get ridiculous here.

The only way I see this as being possible is to solo Ifrit. Solution buy 7 more accounts and 7 more computers. keep them as mules and use them to enter instances with you.

My point is that i dont have to wait for full group... or you wipe because of someone's else mistake ..
MMO doesnt mean you ALWAYS play with others...

quests and leves are very easy... what i was talking about something challanging,,, and you get one piece which is unique to this specific event..

and when i say challenging doesnt mean for noobs... its relaying on your skills and the abilities you got through your playing

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I like this idea. I always liked the idea of having items for people who have proven themselves as capable paragons of their classes, the item in question being exclusive to that class. FFXI had two examples of this, one being an ENM called "Pulling the Strings" that dropped rare/ex job exclusive enchanted items (except PUP, where it dropped attachments), and the other one being Maat (and the corresponding LB5 fights for ToAU and WotG jobs), which you had to do at least once for level 75, and doing all 15 of the mainland job fights got you a cap to prove you've done it.

By the way, to people complaining about "FFXIV offline" and such, there's a reason for such content to be soloable. It means you need to be strong enough on your own merit to do it. You can't just get a bunch of more competent people together and half-ass it. By being forced to do it solo, you prove you have what it takes. Just because an MMO is online, doesn't mean it can't have ANY solo content.

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such a ignorent comment really and to everyone else saying solo content has no place in MMO's are you freaking retarded? Crafting, Questing, Gathering, Farming mats, Leves(although can be both group and solo), GC quests...etc...all solo content. If i have time to only play an hour on a certain day why cant i have the choice to quickly run a solo instance then go on with my day...people arent always on to do stuff with and it leaves me waiting in uldah until LS members log on or i shout for group and wait an hour to get started

While the items you get from such content shouldent be above group raid bosses it still should be significant(Depending on difficulty of the content).
I could see a system where puzzles must be solved in order to advance into the next room of a instance and after entering that room you are treated to a wave of mobs (like defense leves) that you must defeat in order to advance and rinse / repeat untill you get to a boss.

A traditional trash mobs > boss room > trash mobs > boss room could work but this kind of content i feel is much better suited for partys (especially if the trash mobs are difficult and need strategy to complete). Iv seen Solo instances in other MMO's where my friend simply walked to the entrance, zone in, complete it within 15-20 min get loot / money and get out. Overall this sytem seemed much more enjoyable than simple leves, as there were certain enviromental hazards that he needed to avoid as well as kite the boss into, although the combat system in the game was very different the same thing could be done with FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I like this idea. I always liked the idea of having items for people who have proven themselves as capable paragons of their classes, the item in question being exclusive to that class. FFXI had two examples of this, one being an ENM called "Pulling the Strings" that dropped rare/ex job exclusive enchanted items (except PUP, where it dropped attachments), and the other one being Maat (and the corresponding LB5 fights for ToAU and WotG jobs), which you had to do at least once for level 75, and doing all 15 of the mainland job fights got you a cap to prove you've done it.

By the way, to people complaining about "FFXIV offline" and such, there's a reason for such content to be soloable. It means you need to be strong enough on your own merit to do it. You can't just get a bunch of more competent people together and half-ass it. By being forced to do it solo, you prove you have what it takes. Just because an MMO is online, doesn't mean it can't have ANY solo content.

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you said well enough ^^

They work well in Aion as lower-mid level gap-filler content. They work well in Rift too.

Campaign and Besieged, <yes please> (similar stuff anyhow)

Go to Nanawa thats a dungeon and is soloable, you aren't guna walk out with much but you shouldn't expect to solo :P

Solo content has place in an MMO, but never be a main focus. Solo content should be for moments where you don't have time to assembly a party. Over solo content, I would prefer duo content. You can generally find at least one other person to group with.

The more types of content the better in my opinion. I am totally for the OP's idea, and would like to see more content designed around small parties (4 players) as well. Variety is the spice of life!

its not a bad idea
unlike FFXI most classes can solo decently so balancing solo content shouldn't be very hard.
but the game atm doesnt have enough group dungeons so its premature to suggest them

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Solo content is boring /yawn. imo

I don't play MMO to play S O L O

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My view for MMO is

1. MMO is a game you play online, you can't stop, you can't puase, once you die, the server auto-save it.

2. In MMO, you meet people, interface with other player, so when necessary or conditionally, you can form a PARTY.

3. As for distribution of content, it depends on how many player ONLINE SIMUTANEOUSLY. This is not something you can control.

4 man party should get lots of content
8 man party should get some content
16 and above should get very little content - barely 16 ppl can play online simutaneously.
As a result, solo player should get MOST content to play with.

So of course, i agree there should be more 1~4 players content so the game can attract more player to play as a whole.

Starting levels solo content and low man should be the majority of the game.

Mid levels 4-8 man stuff should take a focus

endgame it should all be 4-16+ people. This is where your guilds and endgame groups form... you cannot have an endgame group with solo focus/lowman focus. (make endgame mainly solo focused people will get to endgame and simply quit)


Solo content outside the starter levels I feel should only provide maby 2-3 hrs max of gameplay per day, I see this as more then generous... if you play more then that get in a group.

Solo content should NEVER have a focus in mmos. that is what offline games like Skyrim and Final Fantasy 1-13 (less XI) are for.


Solo Dungeons I think would be ok, if you are getting some kind of points for companys or something. But any items from a dungeon that is solo based should be extremely subpar compared to the rest of the games non-solo content.

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I can see it now...

Maat: Heh heh heh.

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Its FFXI all over again!

I am very much in favor of this. The thing is, a person waving around an ifrit weapon to show off does not in any way shape or form display that that person is a great player. It only signifies that the player was in a party of people who beat the obstacle and was lucky enough to get the drop. One player can do absolutely nothing in a full man party and still get the drop. Having a challenging soloable dungeon for a nice show off piece, whatever it may be, would definitely be a display of how well the player is as an overall adventurer.

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

I am very much in favor of this. The thing is, a person waving around an ifrit weapon to show off does not in any way shape or form display that that person is a great player. It only signifies that the player was in a party of people who beat the obstacle and was lucky enough to get the drop. One player can do absolutely nothing in a full man party and still get the drop. Having a challenging soloable dungeon for a nice show off piece, whatever it may be, would definitely be a display of how well the player is as an overall adventurer.

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too bad i cant thumb up more than once >_<

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i liked some replies of ppl in here... we dont want that this was ok in Aion or Rift .. or this game is turning to ffxi
Producers wont copy paste anything,They'll add alot of fun ideas and content based on their experiance, We're not saying that we want END GAME solo dungeon or all FFXIV be solo, as someone mentioned 1~4 is good for the starter , or at least 2 ppl is good enough do some challenges

A few solo instances that are part of story of a past event with a few cs inside here & there like they did aion sounds good. Was really fun in that game & the loot from last boss was good, and of course there was a party sized version that took place in present with even better loot. So if they were to do this, it should be somewhat like that imo. I'd be all for it if that's how it worked. People that are against more content that's actually fun just because another game has it are hilarious.

I wont stay silence until I hear something from GM...,

Ill say it again, go play Vindicuts if you wanna do stuff like that.

Sounds like a good idea. ....but wow, you mention an idea for one solo dungeon and you get all of these insta-rude responses telling you how they prefer to play with other players when it's painfully obvious they have no damn social skills to play online with anyone else.

Aion has solo dungeons. They all have one thing in common: they're incredibly boring. I find soloing in general to be boring, but the solo dungeons I've played have been a step below simply boring. I'd much rather they spend the development resources on party content.

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Aion has solo dungeons. They all have one thing in common: they're incredibly boring. I find soloing in general to be boring, but the solo dungeons I've played have been a step below simply boring. I'd much rather they spend the development resources on party content.

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Agree completely.


If they did put solo dungeon in, it would have to be boring in order to allow for all DoW/M to complete it. Otherwise rant "I can't beat this on my XXX" will emerge followed by "you can too you're noob" followed by "Rep: We are looking into having this instance adjusted" followed by "the dungeon is now boring"

^ This is what I foresee ~_~


inb4 "they can make a seperate instance for each class!"
inb4 "keep the same instance just adjust it depending on which class you are playing as!"

Anything to do in the meantime while in between patches sounds good to me. I don't get why one little dungeon would automatically make this game SOLO oriented. It's one dungeon, let these people have their fun too. Yes I'm against solo playing in an MMO, and NO it wouldn't really effect my PARTY experience in other dungeons

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Anything to do in the meantime while in between patches sounds good to me. I don't get why one little dungeon would automatically make this game SOLO oriented. It's one dungeon, let these people have their fun too. Yes I'm against solo playing in an MMO, and NO it wouldn't really effect my PARTY experience in other dungeons

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I didn't get the impression that anyone was suggesting the game would become solo oriented. I think the issue is that the game has only recently become more party-centric with the induction of exp chains and links, Ifrit, Darkhold was a stepping stone, lowered leve rewards, etc.

Seems it would be CounterProductiveII (lol c wut i did) to not spend time / resources into making more group content.

That's what it comes down to.. time / resources - having this solo stuff might be fine at some point, but right now we need more group oriented content to go along with the party-centric direction that game is moving in. And really the solo content might be (Fun) but I have a feeling it would be a "one and done" thing. "I beat it, here's my achievement, now I'm not going back".

*Warning; opinions have been known to destroy ego's and hurt feelings, it's important you see a doctor and verify you are medically fit to respond. Side-effects: Rage, Trollism, Emotional nonsensical ranting, destruction of logic, serious QQ

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

There are alot of soloable quest honestly... I believe almost all of them are atm honestly. AS well as all the leves.

Issue with a solo dungeons I see is balance, some classes will just be far better then others in it. So for some classes it will be a joke to beat others it will be nightmarishly hard.

That and Solo play does not show people you know your class in my opinion. It proves you can solo effectively, but in a group setting most those skills are usually worthless. In group situations the focus is working together balancing hate with dmg/cures apposed to knowing what to do alone which simply involves knowing what to do to survive longer then the opponent.

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One way to counteract is for the dungeon spawn set to be based off of the class of the player. i.e. if you're a fighter make the dungeon spawn mobs full of stuff that has the potential to stun/cripple your fighting abilities. If you're a mage, spawn stuff that are resistant to your magic attacks - stuff like that.

I think this is a wonderful idea - especially if it gives you something to do when your friends aren't around.

Also, we already have a huge chunk of the game that is oriented towards solo-play: leves, gathering, and crafting. In my mind that is more than enough.

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Originally Posted by Blair

My view for MMO is

1. MMO is a game you play online, you can't stop, you can't puase, once you die, the server auto-save it.

2. In MMO, you meet people, interface with other player, so when necessary or conditionally, you can form a PARTY.

3. As for distribution of content, it depends on how many player ONLINE SIMUTANEOUSLY. This is not something you can control.

4 man party should get lots of content
8 man party should get some content
16 and above should get very little content - barely 16 ppl can play online simutaneously.
As a result, solo player should get MOST content to play with.

So of course, i agree there should be more 1~4 players content so the game can attract more player to play as a whole.

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Um are you saying there is never more then 16 people on your server at any given time? You may want to switch to a different server then because I know other servers have way more then that many on them at any given time frame...

4, 8, and 16 player content should always be at the top and should always be expanding... now am I saying no to solo content no I'm not but I don't think solo content should be at the top or have the most time put to it. I am also of the mindset as a few others have said... I play an MMO to meet people and go do things with a bunch of cool people I have met in game. So a lot of solo play content with little 8-16 person content would make this game very dull and boring... I love to be in a full party fighting through things and working together to get the content finished (which I'm working on with the LS I'm in now ^^ so fun^^).

So yeah I'm going to go with not just no but hell no to more solo content... they can make some now and then but the focus should be on parties and such...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Also, we already have a huge chunk of the game that is oriented towards solo-play: leves, gathering, and crafting. In my mind that is more than enough.

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nop .. not even close to "enough"

what we want is something not easy to solo + challenging ....
who cant do leves and quests.... they are just to lvl up
not to test your skills

and please stop saying that this is MMO ,, we dont need solo
It shouldnt be 100% party base ... so that people can have fun doing something else rather than waiting for full set up party (if someone doesnt have LS)

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Originally Posted by Rak_Boy

My point is that i dont have to wait for full group... or you wipe because of someone's else mistake ..
MMO doesnt mean you ALWAYS play with others...

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Actually it does. MUDs and MMOs were designed to play with other human beings instead of purely interacting with (usually) dumb A.I.

It wasn't until the new generation of MMO gamers did they feel playing with others isn't the point of an MMO. Solo dungeons are fine, as long as you don't get anything useful out of it, because then SE will have to waste time balancing solo dungeon rewards versus group based rewards and no one will like the outcome of that.

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Originally Posted by Rak_Boy

I've been thinking of this idea...
why they don't add anything with solo to challenge your skills and by finishing it ppl will know that you understand and know how to play in your specific class,,, in reward you get a unique ex/rare items as a proof,,,:cool:

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One word (name): "Shpochae"(lv.10-20).

For those who's nation is Limsa Lominsa, it's by Moraby Bay. Easy to solo during lv.15. You CAN if you want to. Basically it's a solo-able dungeon and not restricted by any rule or regulated terms. It's an open dungeon the way most adventurers like it.

Now if your thinking about dungeons like Toto-Rak(lv.30-45), i would kinda think down the lines of "Maybe". I know it could get kinda boring at low levels but what more would you rather be doing than guild-leves and learning the abilities of your class? Learning your way around and making gil would be a major concern. I like how you can go in the low level dungeons and occasionally group up with ppl and grow in your class more!

A specific dungeon for low level soloing is what you make of your current position and not official in the game. Everyone should be atleast lv.20 by now and it's easy enough to get that far. Low leveling is now considered lv.15-25 most likely by most server standards.