Restricting rewards for alts in top 100 for the Feast.

Greetings everyone , I hope this suggestion is taken into consideration. I personally have no grudge against people using their alts once their main has reached a high enough rating but I think its unfair to others who still don't have the rewards on their main. Not to mention that while ranking up this alt will get more favourable teams due to the current matchmaking system, thus lowering the rating of anyone playing on their main against them. Now many of these people playing on their alt say they don't care about rewards for their alt so I suggest limiting it to one character per service account so that everyone who can't play for 12 hours a day deserve a chance to get in top 100. Or rather make a separate list for alt characters. I wont point any fingers but it's pretty obvious who the alt characters are in this list for those who regularly pvp: http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...nking/thefeast

Thank you for reading my post and I hope my words reach the officials.

I completely agree with this. I find it unfair that people who work hard with their main get kicked out of the top 100 because of people are getting in the top 100 with their second character. I know some people who just like to play without risking losing their rating, but there are people that are selfish and arrogant enough to do it just to get their alt in the top 100 to get the rewards on their alt as well. It needs to be restricted to one character per account.

https://i.gyazo.com/1a1d620048d4dadc...dac1a59a3a.png

Just make it 1 character to qualify but make the gear account-wide, which it should be anyway.

Who you referring too? I dont see any one?

Y'know at the end of the day it might come off like this thread seems jealous but liquid makes a real good point. You should only be able to submit one character to the feast. I understand people who make alts because they want to practice a new class, or try one out. Like for example I'm terrible at healer, but if I were to queue with the gold rank I am now the game would matchmake me under the presumption I was good. Which I'm not. So herein lies a reason for alts.

I doubt they will do anything about this as it just comes down to an individuals morals and honour at the end of the day but people joining on their main class as an alt and then laughing at how imbalanced the games are due to the fact they're experienced pvpers on that job, are nothing more than selfish people trying to take advantage of the messed up matchmaking this season.

Dick or gtfo

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Who you referring too? I dont see any one?

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This is just an obvious one but there's like 10 or more alts in top 100 atm.
http://prntscr.com/chklct

http://prntscr.com/chklps

I couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by Acronycal

This is just an obvious one but there's like 10 or more alts in top 100 atm.
http://prntscr.com/chklct

http://prntscr.com/chklps

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yup I see it now. Gotcha.

Well, for players who won it in season 1, wouldnt it be questionable why they are in the ranking for season 2 since season 2 and 1 rewards are the same?

I understand that if someone is good on Feast and knows how to read good queues they'll be able to put multiple characters in a single Datacenter top 100. But I also understand that this is rather unfair and removes other player's chances to get the top 100 while ruining even more our already broken Match Making.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Well, for players who won it in season 1, wouldnt it be questionable why they are in the ranking for season 2 since season 2 and 1 rewards are the same?

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They'll be different. And then they'd cycle somehow or just keep changing for next seasons.

Someone with alt said they just don't want other people to get rewards so their lone wolf set (which they already have from season 1) would remain rare and unobtainable for general population. Also I've personally seen one of these bard alts in our party just saying 'afk' at start and sitting, checked lodestone and they were with a healer of opposite team in the same FC. So that also opens a lot of opportunities for open or hidden wintrading to increase their main's ratings.

I agree with this 100% as there is someone on my server who has him and his alt at the top 100 atm and he did it last time for 1st season. why is this even a thing and i know a couple of others who do the same, even with the same name just starting with different letters. I say if this was to happen at least give a warning stating that they already have a character doing rankings and if they wish to do ranking on another character the current rank of the other will be reset to 0 winrate and all.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Well, for players who won it in season 1, wouldnt it be questionable why they are in the ranking for season 2 since season 2 and 1 rewards are the same?

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SE posted this directly to us about a month ago:

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Season Two Rewards
Some players were wondering if the rewards for Season Two of The Feast are going to be the exact same as the first season as we used the same image on the ranking page. The rewards for Season Two will be another full set of gear, and the design will be somewhat different from the first season. The types of rewards rewarded to the players will be changed every two seasons, as we felt having one type of reward only for one season wouldn’t allow a larger group of players to obtain them. Using current example, this means we have two rewards with full sets of gear for season one and two, and a different type of reward for season three and four, and so forth.

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Further, the top end positions of the top 100 also carry their own independent rewards (such as the trophy for being top dog).

That said, even if there weren't any new rewards, it's not like the previous top 100 wouldn't have other reasons to play. Plain old fun would be one I could think of right off the top of my head. A lot of the top players just queue for PvP because they enjoy it. Winning is more fun than losing, so it follows that they would still want to rank up, regardless of if the rewards are still the same.

Its fine if some of the top 100 from the previous season is playing the feast for the fun of it and whatnot, they shouldn't complain about newer players trying to get into the feast or trying to rank up.

I said this last season that it was pretty fked up for people to take spots away from other actual players in the top 100 using alts but this season more than last I actually understand why they do it.

Because of match making the quality of your teammates rises the lower you are ranked and therefore you have far less stressful games, a higher winrate (assuming you yourself are at least a competent player), and generally overall less incompetent teammates than when you reach 800+. Its also very important now compared to last season to know exactly when to queue in order to rank up and having alts allows you to test people in queues by sacrificing the rank on the alt while preserving the one on your main. The people using alts dont care as much about getting multiple sets of the gear (beyond their main) as they do really about playing matches that are competitive and fun most times.

And honestly speaking the luster on that glamour gear wears off so fast, no one cares one way or another whether you have it nor does anyone care about you showing it off since most ppl wont even know what the gear is lol. When I got the glamour last season it was cool for like a day or 2 and then its like "meh this isnt really anything special why did i even care about this in the first place?".

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Its fine if some of the top 100 from the previous season is playing the feast for the fun of it and whatnot, they shouldn't complain about newer players trying to get into the feast or trying to rank up.

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I have absolutely no problem with them playing but its mostly the same people from the previous season making alts over again, I can understand wanting new rewards for their main but why would they want it on their alt ?

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Originally Posted by Acronycal

I have absolutely no problem with them playing but its mostly the same people from the previous season making alts over again, I can understand wanting new rewards for their main but why would they want it on their alt ?

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There are two reasonings that come for that:
1. I have and alt, I know I'm capable so I want the pretty gear on my other existing character as well.
2. I have an alt, I can PvP with it to prevent other people from getting the glamour.

For the first, leave them be. They are in their right of doing so. It becomes a bit unfair in the case the player is good because they'll pretty much breakthrough ranks and maybe make able that the parties of you get matched with your lower ranked alt stomp your opposing teams and sometimes boosting not so good players' rank together. But thats not their fault, its the matchmaking's fault.
In the second case they can abuse of the poor matchmaking with a lower ranked alt to make sure he occupies more places on the top 100 list and unless a player openly states the second reasoning in game or in forums, I don't think SE can punish them. Sadly.

This discussion only reflects the Feast comunity toxicity (me included).

2. I have an alt, I can PvP with it to prevent other people from getting the glamour.

This is what is bothering me a lot. There are people who really do it because they know they're good and just go in top 100 with it to show how good they are and they don't want others to get the rewards.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

2. I have an alt, I can PvP with it to prevent other people from getting the glamour.

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2 sounds like a witch hunt honestly. What kind of immature, no life would make/enter an alt strictly for this purpose? I know of several ppl with alts in Feast and none of them think this way. They might not be explicitly thinking about how their alts are taking away spots from other potential players but they definitely aren't making alts for the sole purpose of intentionally seeking to do something as petty and pathetic as actively preventing others from getting rewards.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Its fine if some of the top 100 from the previous season is playing the feast for the fun of it and whatnot, they shouldn't complain about newer players trying to get into the feast or trying to rank up.

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I don't have a problem with playing with new players, but I can understand why higher ranked players complain about getting slotted with new players.

Like I said, winning is more fun than losing. No one joins a competition with the intent of getting their ass handed to them every single match. There's nothing fun about that. When you see the same people making the same mistakes over and over and over, it's not unreasonable to get a little frustrated. The matchmaking and point scaling are also problems, because it makes ranking up a statistical improbability unless you do a selective queue or just stop queuing entirely when you reach a half-decent rank. Silver rank (and gold, I'm told) is like hitting a brick wall if you queue regularly. Consecutive losses is a high probability because of the way matchmaking works, so people are bound to get a little pissy, especially if they have a competitive personality.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

2 sounds like a witch hunt honestly. What kind of immature, no life would make/enter an alt strictly for this purpose? I know of several ppl with alts in Feast and none of them think this way. They might not be explicitly thinking about how their alts are taking away spots from other potential players but they definitely aren't making alts for the sole purpose of intentionally seeking to do something as petty and pathetic as actively preventing others from getting rewards.

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100% agreed.

I can understand why people would want to queue up with an alt to test the waters. It's like having a throw away character for that purpose. I can understand wanting new gear for an alt that looks snazzy. I can understand wanting to play on alternate jobs that one avi might not have unlocked. I can even understand wanting to play anonymously without any attached stigmas or expectations from a previous character that may or may not be well known on your server/data center. I cannot understand playing purely for the vindictive sake of screwing over other people from getting in the top 100. I don't think I've met anyone who's queued with an alt for that purpose, or had that even cross their mind when they do it.

People using alts because it's the only way to enjoy the feast without risking losing points. It's because of the terrible match making we have this season.

The current situation is a byproduct of what se implement in match making.

If alts are banned, then say goodbye to feast. No one will risk their points once they get to a good spot in the top 100. Pretty much afk to season 3.

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

People using alts because it's the only way to enjoy the feast without risking losing points. It's because of the terrible match making we have this season.

The current situation is a byproduct of what se implement in match making.

If alts are banned, then say goodbye to feast. No one will risk their points once they get to a good spot in the top 100. Pretty much afk to season 3.

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This. PvP here is dead enough without discouraging people for glamour reasons.

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

It's because of the terrible match making we have this season.

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But that just makes it worse.

There are a lot of alts on Primal DC as well. Especially in the top 50 of the top 100.
I really don't see any way to fix this atm since people play their alts if their mains are in a high ranking.

I know people that are leveling 3rd alts now (it takes 2 weeks) I assume season 3 will be loaded with alts if things don't change.

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

People using alts because it's the only way to enjoy the feast without risking losing points. It's because of the terrible match making we have this season.

The current situation is a byproduct of what se implement in match making.

If alts are banned, then say goodbye to feast. No one will risk their points once they get to a good spot in the top 100. Pretty much afk to season 3.

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Not really, a lot of silver people still play hoping to get in top 100 and so do gold people that want platinum. The only people that are afk are those who have alts.

By the long time that took to level alt to 60 and gear it up during season 2. You should have played, entered and maintained a spot in top 100 already.

Alts don't have anything to do with taking a spot away from you. Since feast queues are only active in the evening it is impossible to play 12 hours a day for the soul purpose " take a spot away from you in top 100 " .

people play alt to enjoy feast that is all. If there is a mode for 4v4 to enjoy feast without risking rankings, we wouldn't see alts in ranked matches. We would have chance to practice other jobs as well.

I'd rather have Feast dead and 100 different people have rewards than 10 alts getting rewards while those 10 could've been people's mains.

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Originally Posted by abbas

By the long time that took to level alt to 60 and gear it up during season 2. You should have played, entered and maintained a spot in top 100 already.

people play alt to enjoy feast that is all. If there is a mode for 4v4 to enjoy feast without risking rankings, we wouldn't see alts in ranked matches. We would have chance to practice other jobs as well.

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I'm not talking about myself, I have a safe spot. Its not fair for those that don't, you get me wrong. I don't want people to stop playing on their alt, with there being no unranked 4v4 I don't expect people not to. As I said in my original post, I only wish there was a separate list for them outside of top 100. I'd like to see unique characters in there and alts somewhere else. The leaderboard exists to show different people and their rating, not the same people with different ratings on different characters.

Seem like not alot of players are playing the feast in fear of losing. Especially the players at the bottom of the 100, 1 or 2 lost can easily push them out of the top 100.

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Originally Posted by abbas

By the long time that took to level alt to 60 and gear it up

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Sorry, but had to laugh at this idea. That whole long week or 2 at most it takes to get a new character to lv 60. I did a new alt recently and it was just under 2 weeks for lv 60 and all of HW msq. Which you don't need for pvp.

I really don't see this situation getting any better, i'm seeing more and more alts flooding into the feast lately.

Gotta get out fast, get your points, move up the rankings and wait out the storms of alt.

I'm even seeing alts in party awards now, do players really enjoy the fact other players will have rewards they're yet to receive taken away from them? Forgive me for presuming but I kind of guessed that was the point of having 2 similar rewards for 2 seasons, so people who missed out on the previous rewards have a chance to do so this season.

I doubt SE will do anything but at the end of the day, whatever makes these dudes happy from the bottom of their basement.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Just make it 1 character to qualify but make the gear account-wide, which it should be anyway.

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I think that this will be the best solution,
this not mean to ban Alts, it woldn't make any sense, but giving them an icon near their name that will show if it's an alt that is already on top 100,
so the list will end with 100+ numer of alts records.

I think that who like to PvP will still doing it because it is funny, and the few one that want to make that glamour unique and even more rare... eh, come on guys, It's a game ._.

Anyway I love that this was proposed and approved by people that actually are in the top 100,
looking at how salty is the Feast, this is a very kind suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Geologo

Anyway I love that this was proposed and approved by people that actually are in the top 100,
looking at how salty is the Feast, this is a very kind suggestion.

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The more alts made by people in the top 100 that flood the rankings the harder it will be for people who are not in the top 100 to get in.
Primal Top 10 has a player with one alt there, and another players alt is already making their way up. Its even worse in the top 50 and below.