Limit breaks

I think one thing that ff14 is missing is a final fantasy style super move for each class/job.
FF11 had 2 hours which was cool but it was not the sort of limit break i want.

I liked the fact that in ff7 or ff10 if you get beat up a lot you could do a super move. What i would like to see is this sort of action in ff14. We have a Limit bar that builds every time we take damage (or give Damage w/e works) and then we get to unleash a super attack.

That be cool. thoughts?

They have stated they are looking into something like this, I forgot where the dev post is.

/Surprised..

Thought this was another thread Q_Q about materia.


2-hour would be nice... or 1-hour.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

/Surprised..

Thought this was another thread Q_Q about materia.


2-hour would be nice... or 1-hour.

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Yea thats cool but i rather it not be a time limit like ff11. I want it to be were we take dmg and a limit break bar builds and we can do meteor or something cool. 2hrs are way to slow and wont work in this game because we can do a raid and ifrit every 5 mins.

Weaponskills are Limit Breaks :O

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Weaponskills are Limit Breaks :O

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No weapon skills are... weapon skills lol. Limit breaks are powerful moves that we can use with a big limit on it. TP moves are not limit breaks.

Actually in a sense WS are limit breaks ... ... ..

in games with "limit breaks" you use abilities and fila bar then do a more powerfull skill.... hmm sounds like gaining tp and doing a ws to me......

would love 2hours .... yoshi said something about a skill that could be used once per battle or something better be carefull what they think a "Battle" is cause if its able to be done on every mob it wont be nearly as cool, powerfull or usefull unless its op as hell and breaks the game.

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Originally Posted by DNO

No weapon skills are... weapon skills lol. Limit breaks are powerful moves that we can use with a big limit on it. TP moves are not limit breaks.

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Weapon Skill: Do damage and take damage to accumulate a secondary resource meter that you can spend to do a more powerful attack.

Limit break: Do damage and take damage to accumulate a secondary resource meter that you can spend to do a more powerful attack.

What you're arguing for are bigger weapon skills.

ok lets not derail this topic please...i am of course NOT talking about weapon skills. i want abilites like hundredfists etc. Super powered skills that we can use mab once a big battle.

Please guys you no what im saying.

job related special moves would be nice *not ws* maybe a 30 minute timer instead of two hour mighty strikes can i have it yes please

Limit Break for Black Mage should be ULTIMA!

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Originally Posted by smokymcweed

job related special moves would be nice *not ws* maybe a 30 minute timer instead of to hour mighty strikes can i have it yes please

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Right this is what im talking about. I can not believe 3 posts in people are already trolling.

Anyway yea, 30 min time limit seems great as you can use it once per ifrit battle or mab twice a raid. Id rather a limit break type bar but this works also.

They aren't trolling. WS in FF MMO's are Limit Breaks. What you are asking for is a more potent class specific ability (Which the 2hr abilities in FFXI are.) What you are wanting is NOT a limit break

I think we should get different sets of class specific Limit Breaks instead of just one per job.
(for example in FFVII Cloud learns Braver, Cross Slash, Climhazzard etc)

What if we can also combine Limit Breaks with other players Limit Breaks for a super finishing combo? like its exclusive to Limit Breaks only.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I think we should get different sets of class specific Limit Breaks instead of just one per job.
(for example in FFVII Cloud learns Braver, Cross Slash, Climhazzard etc)

What if we can also combine Limit Breaks with other players Limit Breaks for a super finishing combo? like its exclusive to Limit Breaks only.

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Awesome idea. I like that you get the difference between a WS and a limit break. Combos sounds fun!

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Originally Posted by DNO

No weapon skills are... weapon skills lol. Limit breaks are powerful moves that we can use with a big limit on it. TP moves are not limit breaks.

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Your signature is so damn true...

I'm all for limit breaks but not like WS used to work which had a super long timer of 1h. I'm think of something more like the old FFs did where whenever you get hit or you hit the target you get a "limit break gauge" filling up slowly until it is full, and then you get to use a special Limit break ability. They could add a new Limit break move, with a different effect for each 20 levels.

Example:

White mage Limit break 1: Fully heal a target, HP and MP.
White mage Limit break 2: Fully heal a target, HP and MP and cast Protect + shell
White mage Limit break 3: Fully heal party Hp and MP and cast protect + shell.

Paladin Limit break 1: AOE damage on all enemy surrounding you + provoke on all enemies
Paladin Limit break 2: Cast powerful defense spell on all party members
Paladin Limit break 3: AOE damage, provoke all enemies + Cast defense spell + minor heal on party members .

Black mage Limit break 1: Powerful spell + increased spell damage for 20 sec
Black mage Limit break 2: Powerful spell + 0 sec cast for next spell
Black mage Limit break 3: Meteor powerful AOE spell + increased spell damage for 20 sec on party

As for using these abilities, filling up the limit break bar once (Yellow) makes LVL 1 limit breaks available. Filling it up twice (orange) enables level 2 and for level 3, you need 3 full bars(Red)

Get the idea?

I'd be in favor of a 2hour ability system, or anything for that matter, sometime that can't be pulled off unless conditions are met, but be able to really help out in a pinch. :)

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Originally Posted by Tenji

Your signature is so damn true...

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hahahah thank you lol

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

I'm all for limit breaks but not like WS used to work which had a super long timer of 1h. I'm think of something more like the old FFs did where whenever you get hit or you hit the target you get a "limit break gauge" filling up slowly until it is full, and then you get to use a special Limit break ability. They could add a new Limit break move, with a different effect for each 20 levels.

Example:

White mage Limit break 1: Fully heal a target, HP and MP.
White mage Limit break 2: Fully heal a target, HP and MP and cast Protect + shell
White mage Limit break 3: Fully heal party Hp and MP and cast protect + shell.

Paladin Limit break 1: AOE damage on all enemy surrounding you + provoke on all enemies
Paladin Limit break 2: Cast powerful defense spell on all party members
Paladin Limit break 3: AOE damage, provoke all enemies + Cast defense spell + minor heal on party members .

Black mage Limit break 1: Powerful spell + increased spell damage for 20 sec
Black mage Limit break 2: Powerful spell + 0 sec cast for next spell
Black mage Limit break 3: Meteor powerful AOE spell + increased spell damage for 20 sec on party

As for using these abilities, filling up the limit break bar once (Yellow) makes LVL 1 limit breaks available. Filling it up twice (orange) enables level 2 and for level 3, you need 3 full bars(Red)

Get the idea?

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YES!!! THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

Something that is not a timer but its earned!!! i love it.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I think we should get different sets of class specific Limit Breaks instead of just one per job.
(for example in FFVII Cloud learns Braver, Cross Slash, Climhazzard etc)

What if we can also combine Limit Breaks with other players Limit Breaks for a super finishing combo? like its exclusive to Limit Breaks only.

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So your asking for more WS's? and also skillchains from XI right?
seems you guys just dont know what its called that you want....... if your meaning a long CD strong ability to use(2 hour ish) then say it... its not a limit break

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Originally Posted by DNO

YES!!! THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

Something that is not a timer but its earned!!! i love it.

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yea cause that doesnt sound OP as hell now does it? lets just not use skill and just use game breaking skills to do everyhting for us automatic with the press of one mighty button.

A secondary TP bar could work, one that cools down 1-2 points per min but only goes up: (an takes about 2.5k to fill)
When your hit 2-4 points for a basic attack 5-10 when your hit with a WS
When you attack 1-2 points AA/Basic 3-6 points WS

So in real world terms you would rarly get to use it unless your on a very long grind (so could be used as a oh s*** save if you keep it)
But in some areas (like the bowl of Embers) You enter with 0 but it fills at a rate of +100-200% of the above numbers, meaning there is a chance you can use it but its still not easy to get.

As for the skill itself, id love something involved (a mini game) not just a 1 click pony attack, where you can build it up or fail to build it up and have each class/job do it differently..
I would set a class LB at ~2-3x the damage of a WS, and the Job LB at ~3-5x personally
(maxing at 6x and 10x respectively with best reustls from the mini game thing)

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Originally Posted by DNO

Awesome idea. I like that you get the difference between a WS and a limit break. Combos sounds fun!

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The only difference between Cloud's "limit breaks" and FF14's "Weapon Skills" is that Cloud's limit breaks take 5 seconds or more to finish their animation. Functionally, they are the same thing: a more powerful attack performed by spending a secondary resource.

I know what you're asking for and I understand the sentiment behind it, but you have to think about it in the context of FF14 and the differences between a single player RPG and an MMORPG.

1. With so many people complaining about animation lag and animation lock when doing their weaponskills (Ifrit battle especially) , would a limit break that has an even longer animation work? Is it practical in an MMO?

2. We already have a resource system that involves doing damage to fill up a meter. It's TP. Do we add yet another "limit break" resource meter in addition to TP? Do we scrap TP and just implement "limit breaks"? Do we somehow integrate limit breaks into the TP system? If so, wouldn't they just be larger weaponskills?

3. As far as combos are concerned, we are already getting that next patch, so I wouldn't worry about it.

While over the top Limit Breaks would be awesome, I wouldnt like to be in the trap where like in 11 people used to only do boss fights when "2 hours" were up

Oh yes, lets turn this game into FF7 online, we already have materia and meteor.....

The Old Limit Break/Overdrive thread

The Dev post.

I would personally want those kinds of things. Final Fantasy has always been about Fantasy hasn't it? Can't we get these kinds of Heroes' Move?

EDIT: I personally think that "Simian Thrash" and "Chaos Thrust" is the only WS closest to Limit Breaks, Animation-wise.

Ahhh even when we give an idea the ff14 forum goers troll it like no other.
Anima and others thanks for cool ideas.. the rest will can act like kids if they want IDC....

I'll settle for one Limit for Paladin, and only if they do it right this time.

Knights of Round

A 13 hit attack where the Paladin dashes through the enemy, kinda like Cloud did for Omnislash Ver. 5. Each successful attack increases enmity.




:D

I loved the 2hours in XI, although after hearing how summons would be used in 2.0 (one guild or social-company whatever the new thing is) to be only able to summon 1 avatar at a time was pretty cool and I would think it to be something of a 'limit break' of sorts ;o

Limit Breaks is nice but will it be just a ability with a very long reuse timer, or will certain conditions must happen before the use like FF9's Trance.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I'll settle for one Limit for Paladin, and only if they do it right this time.

Knights of Round

A 13 hit attack where the Paladin dashes through the enemy, kinda like Cloud did for Omnislash Ver. 5. Each successful attack increases enmity.




:D

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More like... Seven knights walk out of thin air, target the mob your fighting, draw out their swords/ lances (or what ever diversity of weapon), engage and attack one by one with blinding speed. Let's say it was to compare to FFXII, this would be high-resolution and so much cooler. It would be visible to other players as well as other limit-breaks would be. The developers need to work their tails off for this one! Total and concentrated HIGH Final Fantasy =3

Like this post if you dig/ love this idea. Suggest other ideas and vote 'NO' on level-break quest! Thank you! ^_^

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

More like... Seven knights walk out of thin air, target the mob your fighting, draw out their sword/ lances (or what ever diversity of weapon), engage and attack one by on with blinding speed. Let's say it was to compare to FFXII, this would be high-resolution and so much cooler. It would be visible to other players as well as other limit-breaks.

Like this post if you dig/ love this idea. Suggest other ideas and vote 'NO' on level-break quest! Thank you! ^_^

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Why seven? KoR summons Thirteen >.>

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Originally Posted by Dalmore

So your asking for more WS's? and also skillchains from XI right?
seems you guys just dont know what its called that you want....... if your meaning a long CD strong ability to use(2 hour ish) then say it... its not a limit break

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Let me elaborate.

Limit Breaks are actions that is accessible only after certain condition is met. Whether it be taking DMG, successfully stagging the mob, fulling up a special meter bar. w/e. I'm not asking for more weapons skills. Do you understand?

XIV can incorporate everything

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

I'm all for limit breaks but not like WS used to work which had a super long timer of 1h. I'm think of something more like the old FFs did where whenever you get hit or you hit the target you get a "limit break gauge" filling up slowly until it is full, and then you get to use a special Limit break ability. They could add a new Limit break move, with a different effect for each 20 levels.

Example:

White mage Limit break 1: Fully heal a target, HP and MP.
White mage Limit break 2: Fully heal a target, HP and MP and cast Protect + shell
White mage Limit break 3: Fully heal party Hp and MP and cast protect + shell.

Paladin Limit break 1: AOE damage on all enemy surrounding you + provoke on all enemies
Paladin Limit break 2: Cast powerful defense spell on all party members
Paladin Limit break 3: AOE damage, provoke all enemies + Cast defense spell + minor heal on party members .

Black mage Limit break 1: Powerful spell + increased spell damage for 20 sec
Black mage Limit break 2: Powerful spell + 0 sec cast for next spell
Black mage Limit break 3: Meteor powerful AOE spell + increased spell damage for 20 sec on party

As for using these abilities, filling up the limit break bar once (Yellow) makes LVL 1 limit breaks available. Filling it up twice (orange) enables level 2 and for level 3, you need 3 full bars(Red)

Get the idea?

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this is an amazing idea, but each class type would need a different way to build the bar,

HEALERS - build limit break bar by healing/buffing
BLK MAGE - build limit bar by casting damage / dot
melee wel same as black mage but for melee attacks

limit breaks can be performed in a battle regiem for a hell-on-earth style attack lol

Has absolutely no sense to do a great move based on how much damage i take.. so tanks can spam them sure? and BLMs have to go close and get hits to use it?

No thanks. 2Hrs skills could ok, and Self combos are better. I like "This thing trigger this other, and if crit, u can reuse it or attack from left and something happens." Not: "Get hits and u can do this or this one"

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Originally Posted by DNO

Ahhh even when we give an idea the ff14 forum goers troll it like no other.
Anima and others thanks for cool ideas.. the rest will can act like kids if they want IDC....

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the only posts in this thread that even approaches trolling are the ones by you, like the ones I'm quoting here. Same thing with acting like a kid

Post that does not conform to your ideals are not automatically trolls, but then I guess it's too much to expect kids to understand the concept.


Weapon skill is to FF14 what Limit Breaks were for FF7. While they are not identical, being in different games and all, functionally they are the same. What you is basically an OP'd and more flashy weapon skill.

My first impression, upon starting FFXI, was that weaponskills functioned a lot like Limit Breaks; they charge when you do damage and when you take damage. In FFXIV, they don't feel as much like limit breaks because they charge a lot faster ( and everyone plays more like FFXI Dancers with regard to TP expenditure ).

To the OP:
Nobody's trolling you. They're just pointing out that Limit Breaks have evolved into the weapon skills we now have.

What about Weaponskills that literally Break the TP Bar making it go over 3'000 to, I dunno, 4'000 so you can use those specific Weaponskills?

That could be a limit break! It's more like: Your limit is 3'000 TPs; With some actions or strategies you can get your bar over 3'000 and use special Weaponskills which are called Limit Breaks.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

Weapon skill is to FF14 what Limit Breaks were for FF7. While they are not identical, being in different games and all, functionally they are the same. What you is basically an OP'd and more flashy weapon skill.

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I agree, they work very similar except the aren't as flashy, powerful or rarely triggered. But it is obvious that we are talking about more of a "job related super ability", the best way to do this imo is with a much longer recast timer than the average ability. This time around I want them a little more balanced, obviously FFXI Nin 2hr was not as feasible as a Rdm chainspell.

The challenge will be to balance game content accordingly.