Will there be more attire of Story NPC via Mog Station?

Being as we have the great Scion outfits added, will we see more outfits such as...

Ser Aymeric
Yugiri Mistwalker
Edmont de Fortemps
Lady Iceheart

What say ye, SE? :)

Would love for them to be earned through in game quests rather than Mog Station :(

Seconding the in game quests. What's up with wanting everything in the cash shop?

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Seconding the in game quests. What's up with wanting everything in the cash shop?

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It's because people believe SE will see people saying "i will pay money if you add this!" and then add it.

Why does it always has to be through Mogstation with some people... Instead start asking to get those through quests in game instead of always wanting to pay more for stuff that would be better as rewards for side quests...

It's not that everyone wants things to go automatically through the cash shops. They are just asking for the NPC outfits in the way that SE has been continually releasing the previous outfits. Yes, cash shop sucks but it's here to stay and you should /deal with it. We all can bemoan the fact that SE keeps using it as their practically sole way of releasing content and people buy things from it but why waste the effort? SE will never change what they will do with the cash shop. Ever.

Person wants NPC outfits and yes, I hope they release more. Still always hate how expensive it is.

So yeah, let's repeat this again:
SE will always release items like this to the cash shop first rather than make a quest line for it. It's extra money they want. It's not because of dev resources or anything like that. It's the money.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Seconding the in game quests. What's up with wanting everything in the cash shop?

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Do both, maybe achievement/loot related like optional EX mode trial/hard mode dungeon loot chance and also mogstation. It would need to be outside of normal mode story trial/dungeons hence hard mode and EX modes though else invalidates the mogstation route for SE...you may or may not care about but mogstation helps fund SE and by proxy future content too so I think that is also a valid route for SE on these things which are nothing more than glamours. I personally do not tend to buy anything from mogstation but I have nothing against SE putting things in there as long as what goes in remains vanity/glamour things only.

Mog Station or a quest is fine. But please, enough achievement loot. Look at the Astrope and the PvP achievements, they need some ridiculous exorbitant number to achieve...

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Seconding the in game quests. What's up with wanting everything in the cash shop?

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Cause lot of people rather throw money at the mog station for item then say grind 500,000 mgp.

Why? It is because it avoids dumb stuff like 2000 roulette.

It would be nice if SE add content requirements to the cash shop items (can buy glamour XY only if you did first content Z ingame).
This way it have a bit of both for people who want it with money and people who want to do contents for it.

People need to have standards man...I'm not against the CS selling various cosmetics, but honestly, they've been adding more and more stuff that hasn't been allowed the chance to be acquired in game somehow for a limited time (cid/minfillia outfit just as examples). If its had a chance to be acquired in game at least once then sure sell it in the CS (lightning returns like 3 times). But seriously, its just showing more greed since even the event rewards are more lackluster than the ones of the previous year.

The system is already in place, I'm going with the realistic approach here. It's unrealistic for me to create a thread asking for them to change a system already in place, and whilst asking if they are adding more costumes.

If you guys wish for a policy change in how they do these outfits, I'd suggest creating another thread doing that.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

The system is already in place, I'm going with the realistic approach here. It's unrealistic for me to create a thread asking for them to change a system already in place, and whilst asking if they are adding more costumes.

If you guys wish for a policy change in how they do these outfits, I'd suggest creating another thread doing that.

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It's unrealistic for you to ask for new content to be developed and implemented as paid for by your subscription?

Do you actively ask retail stores to charge you more for things when you get to the checkout? Because that's what this thread is doing...

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Originally Posted by Alberel

It's unrealistic for you to ask for new content to be developed and implemented as paid for by your subscription?

Do you actively ask retail stores to charge you more for things when you get to the checkout? Because that's what this thread is doing...

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The things is, you're acting as if glamour based micro transactions are a new thing (In P2P or F2P MMO's) when it's been a successful model for many. So while you as a consumer may think it's unfair that you have to pay extra for the pretty dress, it's unrealistic to expect the business model to change. There's 2 courses of action that can happen reasonably, 1) Most players stop using the cash shop or 2) accept it. At this point 1 is not happening, so to answer your question- Yes it's unrealistic. It sucks, sure, but OP was merely pitching skin ideas to a medium where they'd likely occur.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

The things is, you're acting as if glamour based micro transactions are a new thing (In P2P or F2P MMO's) when it's been a successful model for many. So while you as a consumer may think it's unfair that you have to pay extra for the pretty dress, it's unrealistic to expect the business model to change. There's 2 courses of action that can happen reasonably, 1) Most players stop using the cash shop or 2) accept it. At this point 1 is not happening, so to answer your question- Yes it's unrealistic. It sucks, sure, but OP was merely pitching skin ideas to a medium where they'd likely occur.

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I agree with what you're saying but I think you're missing the point. A business transaction generally works on the premise that the seller charges as much for it as they can and the buyer pays as little as they can, with the outcome being a compromise between the two parties. People such as the OP going straight to asking to be charged for something that by all respects could be offered as part of our subscriptions is the equivalent of going into a transaction and asking to be charged more for it. This behaviour encourages the sellers to become greedy and start charging higher and higher prices. It also makes them more likely to prioritise the cash shop over 'free' content as part of the subscription.

The reason the OP is asking for it to be in the cash shop is because they are impatient and think that requesting it there makes it more likely to be implemented sooner. They could simply ask for it to be implemented at all and let SE decide where to release it though. Resorting straight to asking for it to be sold in the cash shop is like throwing out every bargaining strategy you have without any reason. It's just pure anti-consumer.

I don't think anyone here is arguing against the cash shop's existence at this point. We would, however, prefer that as little as possible were sold in the cash shop instead of being made available in-game. The comments in this thread are largely to ensure that SE realises there are far more people here that would oppose the release of any such future content in the cash shop. We've seen what happens in other games when the cash shop gets out of hand and we've seen such outcomes completely destroy game communities. A regular, vocal resistance to the cash shop on these forums serves to remind SE not to risk such a fate for this game, and thus responses like those above will continue to appear on every thread requesting anything be added to the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

The system is already in place, I'm going with the realistic approach here. It's unrealistic for me to create a thread asking for them to change a system already in place, and whilst asking if they are adding more costumes.

If you guys wish for a policy change in how they do these outfits, I'd suggest creating another thread doing that.

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A system where things were already charged before we had a chance to get it in game before it was put in the CS? That's news to me since they didn't really have many CS exclusive stuff there until this year. Companies test the waters to see how consumers react. Blindly assuming things will be a single way is just like a lamb being led to slaughter.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

It's unrealistic for you to ask for new content to be developed and implemented as paid for by your subscription?

Do you actively ask retail stores to charge you more for things when you get to the checkout? Because that's what this thread is doing...

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Yes, it is. First of all, I'm already asking for something as is, and there currently is a system in place that makes Square Enix profit that is popular, so in other words, good business for them and good business for the fans except for those who do not wish to pay additional prices for optional services.

Would you complain about additional retainers as well? Those cannot be obtained via in-game and only with real cash. Just because you pay monthly for a subscription doesn't mean you are entitled to everything there is to offer. Glamour doesn't hinder your progress in-game, nor does it give you anything of true benefit outside of your own subjective opinion on looking cool in said outfit. The outfits themselves are honestly kind of special looking as is, and aren't really intended for us to be wearing them persay. I think charging for them benefits the consumer and the company.

Your analogy here actually makes no sense because there is no guarantee you are suppose to obtain every single thing the game has to offer with your subscription. All you are entitled to is your subscription to connect to a server and use their data to create a character and interact on your account. If you purchase a 3 topping pizza, it doesn't entitle you to a 4th topping unless you pay an additional fee.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Cause lot of people rather throw money at the mog station for item then say grind 500,000 mgp.

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Grinding in a game? Thats just nonsense!!!

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Grinding in a game? Thats just nonsense!!!

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There really no point to your comment as this thread is just about glamour not actual gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

There really no point to your comment as this thread is just about glamour not actual gameplay.

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You mentioned grinding mgp so I was responding to it. And I would prefer MGP reward than mog station.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

You mentioned grinding mgp so I was responding to it. And I would prefer MGP reward than mog station.

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If grinding for MGP wasn't so boring, I'd agree.

Personally, I think putting them as rewards for unique quest lines (specific to the character in question) would be great, and the best option. I'm always up for learning more about the story characters and it definitely sounds more enjoyable than grinding at the Gold Saucer, or doing ____ roulette x amount of times, or having it locked behind an achievement.

But if they wouldn't make the method to acquire it interesting then, yep, I'd prefer the Cash Shop.

Costumes I'd like to see added would be: Alphinaud's original costume (unisex), and Nanamo's costume (want to see what it'd look like on races besides Lalafell :P). Oh, and Krile's outfit, of course.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

The system is already in place, I'm going with the realistic approach here.

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Hence why I agreed with you and backed you up. Unfortunately, everyone else is bemoaning the cash shop and how SE operates and using your thread as a platform for the same tired argument.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

Yes, it is. First of all, I'm already asking for something as is, and there currently is a system in place that makes Square Enix profit that is popular, so in other words, good business for them and good business for the fans except for those who do not wish to pay additional prices for optional services.

Would you complain about additional retainers as well? Those cannot be obtained via in-game and only with real cash. Just because you pay monthly for a subscription doesn't mean you are entitled to everything there is to offer. Glamour doesn't hinder your progress in-game, nor does it give you anything of true benefit outside of your own subjective opinion on looking cool in said outfit. The outfits themselves are honestly kind of special looking as is, and aren't really intended for us to be wearing them persay. I think charging for them benefits the consumer and the company.

Your analogy here actually makes no sense because there is no guarantee you are suppose to obtain every single thing the game has to offer with your subscription. All you are entitled to is your subscription to connect to a server and use their data to create a character and interact on your account. If you purchase a 3 topping pizza, it doesn't entitle you to a 4th topping unless you pay an additional fee.

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You're actually arguing this from SE's perspective? If you want to give them money that badly just buy shares in the company and leave it at that. Our subscription entitles us to as much as SE feels they need to give us for that subscription to remain worth it. If they gave us no content for the money we're paying the game would die overnight, so please don't try to pretend the subscription is solely for server access; it is for the continued development of the game and you well know it. The additional retainers don't bother me because they're additional. We already get two for free and two is plenty for most players. It's only hoarders and hardcore crafters that really feel a need for the extras. They've already confirmed we're getting additional storage space for free in 4.0 as well.

If you purchase a three topping pizza it doesn't entitle you to a fourth topping, no. But if you pay a subscription for all-you-can-eat pizza buffet then I think you're perfectly entitled to request a new topping be added as part of that subscription. It is your analogy that doesn't make sense as you are not just 'buying a pizza'.

If you so desperately want to give SE your money please just go and buy shares in the company. You won't of course, because you don't actually care about SE making money. You just want your glamour ASAP so you demand it be in the cash shop so it happens sooner. If they implemented it in game in the next patch for free would you come to the forums and complain because you didn't get to pay the devs for it? No, you wouldn't. So why are you arguing so hard to be able to pay them more money than you already do?

And what is wrong with wanting the new costumes or skins in the cash shop? Is it THAT bad to want it now instead of putting something else behind a huge insane grind wall that noone really wants to do? Most people I know hate the many grinds for costumes in this game, but do them cause there's no other way. Grinding for gear sure let me grind, for actually game content, fine. But for a costume? I rather just flat out pay for the damn thing with money.. it's not that bad. You don't get points for a costume and it has no impact on your actual gameplay. So why not put costumes in the store.

I'd much rather have a quest involving crafting and farming drops and such then swipe my card and be done. I love working together with my friends and fc to do stuff :) that would be fun.

Ohhh forgive me for wanting content in a mmorg instead of buying it lol

Also apparently wanting a quest means farming for mgp. Have no idea how it went that direction lol

Asking for a quest is now the same as a "huge grind"..well, that's rad. I guess it's not possible to be innovative, such faith we have in our dev team here..

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Originally Posted by Iromi

I'd much rather have a quest involving crafting and farming drops and such then swipe my card and be done. I love working together with my friends and fc to do stuff :) that would be fun.

Ohhh forgive me for wanting content in a mmorg instead of buying it lol

Also apparently wanting a quest means farming for mgp. Have no idea how it went that direction lol

Asking for a quest is now the same as a "huge grind"..well, that's rad. I guess it's not possible to be innovative, such faith we have in our dev team here..

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Well I was mainly replying to people saying it being locked in the mgp. I should've made myself more clear so my bad extremely on that. But I can understand the OP honestly, if it was anything else I'll be right on your side. But I guess since it's just skins I'm more of the mind set of buying it and being done with it. But that's just me and I'm not even saying I'm right. But I'm odd as I would rather buy skins vs doing a quest for it.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Why? It is because it avoids dumb stuff like 2000 roulette.

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Well, you shouldn't be rewarded for being a mentor tbh. It's a reward for being helpful, not something you have to mindlessly farm.


Personally I like stuff like this in the cash shop because 1- Things like gear and cosmetic items do not affect my performance in game, and are just visual enhancements; 2- It gives them a little extra income, so they can continue to develop this game that I personally love, and would like to see live more than a couple of years. I refuse to pay for retainers, because we keep getting more items yet no extra space to store them. I don't even hoard things, and have to drop stuff every day cause I'm at the limit.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

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It shouldn't have been there in the first place. The act of helping new players should be the reward in of itself.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

It shouldn't have been there in the first place. The act of helping new players should be the reward in of itself.

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Exactly. That's what I was implying. You shouldn't be rewarded for being a mentor. They are trying to motivate you to keep mentoring, but offering rewards only draws the bad kind of mentors in.

Asking for a costume to be thrown in the mogstation makes it more likely to happen as the dev time gets immediate return in terms of money and solves the "want it now" desire that many people have when it comes to costumes like these. The alternatives would be...

Asking them to make it craftable, which will deny a lot of people the ability to get the outfit due to outrageous overblown gil prices until the outfit gets added to Aquapolis for the raw droprate to fill the supply needs.

Asking them to put it into Gold Saucer, which is unbearable for a lot of people and would place the outfits either out of reach or months away even with weekly challenge help.

Asking them to put a quest in, the least likely possible way for it to get implemented as this costs considerably more dev time and can spiral out of control where people start asking for all outfits to get their own quests.

Asking them to put it in Veteran Rewards, where it will be so far back in the list that 90% of the population will not get it unless they are willing to drop a lot of money to buy game time up front, or by the time they do get it they do not want it cause they are burnt out on the game.

That being said anyone who does want it in the mogstation would not be against it being made craftable and a Aquapolis drop as well. Implementing the outfits in those 3 areas is the easiest method of putting in new glamours with the least amount of dev time required and maximum possible ease of acquisition. So long as there is the ability to get it within a reasonable timeframe (or the moment the impulse hits and the wallet opens).

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

Exactly. That's what I was implying. You shouldn't be rewarded for being a mentor. They are trying to motivate you to keep mentoring, but offering rewards only draws the bad kind of mentors in.

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Ah, I misinterpreted what you really meant, my apologies.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

2- It gives the company a little extra income.

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Fixed your second point for you. I love how people love to toss that around yet have no proof that the money from the cash shop goes into the developmental budget. Maybe people do not realize how successful SE really is...

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Fixed your second point for you. I love how people love to toss that around yet have no proof that the money from the cash shop goes into the developmental budget. Maybe people do not realize how successful SE really is...

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We know for sure SQEX isn't injecting any more money into FFXIV. Do you know what percentage of our subs go to dev budget?
I think we don't either. We can only assume more money means the dev team gets a higher budget, whatever % of the share they get.

Better idea guys.

How about they make quests and completing them allows you to purchase such and such attire on Mog Station!?

Keh keh keh.

I'll see myself out.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Better idea guys.

How about they make quests and completing them allows you to purchase such and such attire on Mog Station!?

Keh keh keh.

I'll see myself out.

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Lol. I'd love to see people grinding for a chance to buy an item on the Mog station xD

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

We know for sure SQEX isn't injecting any more money into FFXIV. Do you know what percentage of our subs go to dev budget?
I think we don't either. We can only assume more money means the dev team gets a higher budget, whatever % of the share they get.

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So the logic is that players should spend more money in the cash shop to increase the chance of SE giving the development team a bigger budget? Okay. In an ideal world that logic would make sense, but in reality, if the revenue is increasing while the team can still work within the set budget, chances are the team will just get a raise but not a budget increase...

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Better idea guys.

How about they make quests and completing them allows you to purchase such and such attire on Mog Station!?

Keh keh keh.

I'll see myself out.

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Huh? WHY? So you'll have to do a quest just to unlock that? THat's........ no. If people are asking for skins to be put in the store cause they hate the grind why are you asking for them to make it so they have to grind? Do you hate the idea THAT much for skins? Damn.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

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It's a business on top of all. SQEX has screwed so much in the past, they seem to be learning from that. They are giving this team free reign for the most part. But if the game doesn't sell well, they'll simply cut it. I do not want that for FFXIV. Why does it bother you so? the 13 bucks I spend on this game mostly is roughly what I spend to watch one movie, that's 2 hours vs a whole month of playtime. Plus you buy a drink and popcorn. Do you really think the popcorn is worth that much? It's probably where they make the most profit.

They are not tempering with the game, they are simply putting cosmetic items on the cash shop. It's not an xp potion, or a free pass to HW. It's gear. Level 1 gear with no stats. Plus they update the mog station shop once a month, and sometimes is to put up items you could get on a seasonal quest. It's not like we get a whole lot of content via the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

They are giving this team free reign for the most part.

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We are of differing opinions on this matter. I honestly feel the Business branch of SE is heavily breathing down the necks of the developers.

While you feel a MMO should be modeled after a movie theater a market that I should need to remind you is desperatly clamoring to stay relevant in this day and age where they nickle and dime you every chance they get for profits. I feel a MMO experience should be more akin to a proper subscription service akin to something like netflix you pay a base price what you get is clearly labeled on the price tag and any additions are what they feel will keep you paying that subscription.