Think it's not right that your estate or private room goes into auto-demolition at 45 days sometimes ppl have to leave the game for awhile because of real life which happened to be my case. I had to stop playing for awhile which ended up being 7 months because of things far more important and to come back and see I lost everything from my estate and I can't even reclaim it. So my problem is that if you take a break for more then a month you get penalized for it and lose lots of items gather over time and untold amounts of gil. I find that unfair and not cool one bit. There needs to be a better way. If the housing area is to small and in that much demand then make the housing areas larger or add new areas for housing instead or stripping people of theirs and their things inside and telling them oh well you weren't playing so we are taking your stuff you worked for.
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07-09-2016, 07:52 PMlokeeAuto demolition of estate or private room
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07-09-2016, 08:05 PMCanadane
Your private room in a FC house isn't demolished.
House's are to make room for people that are actively playing. -
07-10-2016, 07:15 AMGokuhan
I completely understand that RL comes first, but you were gone for more than half a year. At that point it's likely you'd never come back. Exactly how long do you expect the game to hold your spot? Just let your house sit empty forever? I do believe they send an email warning you that demolition is about to happen as well.
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07-12-2016, 10:40 AMOliviaJ
Well look at it this way. Now you get to go through the excitement of checking the wards daily and the excitement that gets felt when a lot finally opens up! Honestly though if I was away that long I wouldn't feel bad one bit. Well, I take that back. If my lot got bought up by someone who just plopped a house on it and left it completely void of any other decoration and locked, I would feel bad.
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07-12-2016, 06:25 PMSolarra
I think the fact that you lose everything if you don't log in shortly after demolition is unnecessarily punitive. There is no reason the housing npc cannot hold onto your furniture and or your gil indefinitely.
Unfortunately a very vocal portion of the FF playerbase seems to call for others to be punished every time they do something they dislike, while most others rarely consider things until they are directly affected. I suspect a combination of these factors is why we've seen such a harsh system implemented with little protest. Sadly, a lot of us don't care what happens to other people unless it affects us too.
Your private room in the FC house is only safe as long as the rest of the FC is active and using the house. The same goes for a room in a house you share, it's safe only as long as the owner stays active.
Tenants are in a horrible position due to reclamation with very little security. I hope the apartments they are introducing aren't subject to the same rules.
I do understand housing is in short supply but punishing players who take a break by removing their gil and belongings from the game as well as reclaiming their house is hardly fair. The shortage is not the player's fault.
@ Olivia I've seen so many houses like this; reclamation doesn't stop some people sitting on properties they barely use. -
07-12-2016, 06:32 PMMaxipep
It's only unfair when you keep your subs active and lose your house. Come September I'm working away from home for 8 weeks with no way of logging on, I'll lose my house but I'll get over it, in like 2 seconds, why ? because it's not a real house.
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07-12-2016, 08:40 PMworldofneilIt's probably because housing was supposed to be a gil sink (something we really do need as there is so much money coming into the game and very few places that actually remove it), but since they added the 80% compensation on having a house demolished, it's considerably less of a gil sink. The 35 day window to get your money (and items) is, I believe, a way to still try and get rid of the other 80% of the money from the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarra
You can run the Windows version on a USB stick (I do/have if I log in at my parents house for example), so you literally need to just plug it into any Windows PC with an Internet connection once every 44 days and walk inside the house. If you play on a console I appreciate that's a bit bulkier to have to carry around, but still doable (or just buy the base game on PC as it's so cheap all the time and link it to your account/USB as mentioned above, you don't even need HW expansion for housing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxipep
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07-13-2016, 05:30 PMSolarra
WorldofNeil - I do take your point about the gil-sink. However, not every player returns with their bags bursting with gil and I still think furniture should stay on the Housing NPC indefinitely, in the same way your gear stays in your Armoury or the Armoire.
Yeah this, 'I'm all right, Jack!' attitude is what I was talking about earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxipep
You don't care so this doesn't really affect you, I get that. I haven't been affected by it either, (I'm in an active FC and I have no intention of taking a break). But you also said you think the present system is unfair. It's causing a lot of people to lose stuff they do care about, sometimes through no fault of their own (see my previous post re. tenants). Shouldn't we as a community be supporting people who are affected and suggesting ways to make things fairer, regardless of whether we will benefit ourselves? -
07-13-2016, 08:53 PMMaxipep
It is unfair but my point was that's just the way it is. Maybe 45 days should be 90 days, but Se have picked 45 days for a reason, we may never know the reason why they decided on 45 days but at the moment that's what it is, if in the future they decide to change it all well and good, and to be fair, you can easily earn a million gil a day and with houses so cheap (bought a Med house for 8m) it wont be long before I have another one.
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07-13-2016, 11:59 PMLexia
Well if you took a break for 7 months then you left or went on break after the reclaim was added to the game.
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07-14-2016, 03:44 AMTaranTatsuuchi
Originally, they never wanted to do this.
They disliked the systems of taxation, and removal of property.
But the way they set up housing, they can not meet the demand.
Despite not liking the idea of the system, it was really they only way they could come up with to help remedy the system since, according to them, they can't just keep expanding the wards due to limitations. -
07-22-2016, 01:00 AMNaunet"Just buy the game a second time" - When people are suggesting THIS as a workaround, it's a sure sign that the system is terribly flawed. Active subscriptions should not lose their house. I've taken a year-long break from this game in the past and would be crushed if I'd invested in a house and returned to find all of that time and effort destroyed. I don't understand why people will defend crappy bandage systems rather than pushing harder for SE to fix the actual problem that is their base housing design. If we all united around that, I am certain they would fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldofneil
Things like this just crack me up. How incompetent can they be that MMOs with far fewer resources can design housing systems with zero supply issues? xDQuote:
Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi
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07-22-2016, 01:07 AMworldofneilI'm not... if you've bought a licence for PC, you can install it on as many PCs as you want (including a USB flash drive which was what I suggested). The same licensing applies for PS3, PS4 and Mac. If you've bought a licence you can install play on any number of those as long as you login with the same account details (PlayStation will also require logging in to the PS Network with the same ID as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
The buy it again on PC part was just for the PS people who didn't want to carry a console with them (or don't have the option of using someone elses) as it's bulkier than a USB drive. It's not a requirement, it's just an option. -
07-22-2016, 01:16 AMLexiaWell I do see lot of people saying that 45 days it not long enough, but I don't think you will find many people that will agree with you about 1 year break. In a perfect system that would be fine you could do what ever you want but it not. As for paying sub why would someone want to pay for a game every month for a year and then not play it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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07-22-2016, 01:44 AMMaxipepHow is that an "I'm alright Jack" attitude. Try reading the whole postQuote:
Originally Posted by Solarra
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07-22-2016, 04:41 AMTaranTatsuuchiHence the 'the way they set up housing'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
They didn't make the system as scalable as it needs to be.
For whatever reason only they know, it was designed as it is, and it's just not enough. -
07-22-2016, 06:35 AMMillen1
I have read a fair amount about reclaim of housing over the months. 45 days is a bit short though 90 days would really be on the high end. My guess for 45 days is to keep players active so they don't lose on one of the best things, a house.
This is a game and real life comes first, I think we can all agree on that. My Gf and I made alts to check out housing on other servers. In our data center some of the servers have empty wards, best plots still open. If housing is that big to so many, it would seem that one of two things can happen, you can changes server where housing is easy to find but that costs real money or SE could make a free server transfer system from high population servers to low population servers that have a lot of housing open. This could help re-balance server populations.
You can make new friends on a new server. If you are gone from the game for 6 months or more, how many players will still remember you on the server. You will most likely need to find a new FC and meet new friends as others on your friends list have real life and may also be gone. I have played since Beta on Behemoth, I have seen most of my friends leave the server to raid on other servers or they have left the game. Yet I still keep my FC active by recruiting, meet new players. If I had done none of this, my FC would be dead and i would have about 2 friends left from beta. In my FC as a rule of thumb about 90% players that are inactive for 60 day or more never come back. So I can see why SE picked 45 days though it is still a little short.
This is only my opinion, If I was gone from the game for say 6 months and returned to find my FC dead and with no house anymore. I would change servers to start over as I very much enjoy FC and personal housing. Paying for it would not be fun and that is why I would recommend SE start a policy of allowing players to move their char(s) to a low population server where housing is open for free. Moving a char to a server where housing is full would still cost money to remove incentive to go to a high population server where housing is gone. I also think this would help re-balance servers. -
07-22-2016, 07:12 AMNaunetI do that for games I want to continue supporting financially (perhaps because I agree with some of their design decisions) but may not currently have the time or even the inclination to play. I maintained a sub for Rift until very recently, even when I wasn't playing it. I'll drop money occasionally in GW2's cash shop, even though my playtime is sporadic at best there. There are a lot of MMOs I choose to invest in and play on and off-and-on basis, but this is the only one where I actually risk losing something I put a large amount of time and effort into obtaining. That is a HORRIBLE design decision in an attempt to make up for an even worse one, when what they really need to do is fix the problem that led them to think this was a solution in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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07-23-2016, 09:15 AMLexiaWhen talking about changes to housing that would pretty much require an overhaul of the system and how would you suggest they do that without screwing over current housing owners. Anyways massive change like that took place in 1.0 but I doubt we will ever see uproar and discontent like that ever again. Things are just not that bad in current way game runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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07-23-2016, 10:19 AMMelorieWell. You do get several warnings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarra
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07-23-2016, 10:20 AMNaunetThings ARE that bad in housing, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
If they implemented a system that automatically spins up new instances whenever one fills - like LotRO, for example - then you could have the best of both worlds in that supply would no longer be an issue, but people who like the "neighborhood" concept would still have their system. Otherwise, a simple instanced housing system where everyone has their own housing instance would also solve the problem. Both of these are systems successfully carried out in other MMOs. There's no reason for us to have a system that hurts players like FFXIV's does. -
07-23-2016, 11:55 AMVeloxLOTRO only works because each house has a very fixed amount of data and limited external customization. FFXIV housing has a tremendous amount of customization, but because of that, uses a tremendous amount of data. You can't have your cake AND eat it too when computers are involved. You have to give up something to gain something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
You want automatically generated wards? Every house has a fixed exterior look and 3 slots for customization. That's it. That's how you free up data to have 10000 wards of housing. -
07-23-2016, 02:44 PMPixelmancerDo you think it's right if a new player can't get a house because all the plots are taken by people who haven't played in 5 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by lokee
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07-27-2016, 01:14 AMNaunetHahahaha... It does not. Housing systems with "tremendous" amounts of cusomization would be WildStar or Rift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
Thus the flaw in the base design, and thus it needs to be changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixelmancer