Let's have the magic stones from 9

So a lot of people have been asking for some customization options, and some ideas are good, some outlandish, and lets be honest some are just plain bad. But they all share the idea that we want to be able to customize our character. Well what about a setup like the one from 9. 9 had a system that as you fought battles you'd get a new passive or active skill to utilize in combat. Now while the active skills were things like fire, stone, mug, etc, the passive skills were things like HP+10%, jelly, auto-float, skills that could assist you in battle but not totally make or break it. These skills also required the use of magic stones to use that as you character leveled higher the more stones they would get.

What do people think of a system like this for some customization. With a system like this abilities could be changed on the fly if the player chooses, But unlike Materia, it would be on the players UI and not be visisble to anyone else, so "hopefully" it would prevent griefing. If something like this is added, the abilities could be broken up into 2 sections, one for the character and one for the class/job. And even Crafters and Gatherers could have a similar system.

So what does everyone think?

I'm not sure letting people swap support abilities on the fly would go well, especially in raids.

Many things from FFIX need to be included in FFXIV, that's sure :)

Ive mentioned this is almost every thread talking about gear with unique stats. So I am totally on board with this. The traits/stats should act like AST sects though and not be allowed to change in combat but other than that +1 from me for support!

I think it would be a great way to bring the class guilds and guild tokens back into the game as well. Collect guild tokens and trade them in for traits or something and then we can spec them using the IX system in some way

I'd like an actual cross class system but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I'd like an actual cross class system but that's just me.

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We can't have this because people whine they have to level other classes for abilities.

Need to support something this bland chose in gear that is just stale bread crums to me at this point. Though since this been a vertical progress game for years now they need to introduce it slowly for ppl to adjust over the course of the game then add more during patchs .

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Originally Posted by odintius

Need to support something this bland chose in gear that is just stale bread crums to me at this point. Though since this been a vertical progress game for years now they need to introduce it slowly for ppl to adjust over the course of the game then add more during patchs .

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A new expansion is a good time to introduce a new core system. And it can be expanded on through the following patches.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

A new expansion is a good time to introduce a new core system. And it can be expanded on through the following patches.

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God I hope your right need something hope they deliver it not sure can stand another expansion of same vericial nonsense.

Relevant.

I think moving stats off gear is a good idea, given how much gear is shared... We cannot, for example, have radically different gear for each tank that supplements its play style because of this... That's not even touching on specific ability enhancements, in my mind it seems sensible for Paladin to gear for Mind, while Dark Knight gears for Piety. That's obviously not how this game works, because we've been incredibly limited in our itemization... We can't have that depth because both Jobs share the same gear, what the hell is Warrior going to do with all that MP from a Dark Knight build? What's Dark Knight going to do with Mind for a proper Paladin build? Move that away from gear and onto a IX inspired system, though, and we've got something...

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I'd like an actual cross class system but that's just me.

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I want them to drop the cross-class system, personally... I think we'd be much better off with additional Job skills that effectively do the same thing, but are unique to the Job... So, rather than literally all DPS using Invigorate, they instead get their own TP recovery skill that ties into Job mechanics; Ninja could tie Second Wind and Invigorate into one skill, the effect of which is dependent on its current venom, for example.

I'd find that a lot more interesting than the current system... More so if you don't limit it to existing cross-class skills...Keep the same 5 options limit, but actually provide more than 5 worthwhile skills to choose from... People often complain we'll just go for the best option, but so what? Make it so it's situational and easy to switch them around... If I'm off-tanking as Dark Knight in a fight I know doesn't need "Provoke", perhaps I set "Blood for Blood" instead, for a DPS increase, for example... I'd find all content a lot more interesting if I have to ask myself what's optimal for each encounter before hand...

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Originally Posted by bass9020

We can't have this because people whine they have to level other classes for abilities.

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They don't have to. They can live without. The current cross discipline system needs to be scrapped. What we have now needs to be added to all jobs that need them and make room for actual cross class abilities. MCH is the biggest offender here. If CC is needed to optimize a job they should have those skills integrated into their main kit.

A Provoke skill should be on all tanks period. They shouldn't automatically be forced to Cross Class Gladiator just for Provoke.

It defeats the purpose of cross class and gives you no illusion of choice. Too restricted. Too controlled. No diversity.

Either scrap the current system or allow players to use traited CC skills if they have reached the level of the other class required for them.

If you are afraid of stepping on ants you won't be able to walk.

Do you sub-jobs similar to FF XI or something else.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I'm not sure letting people swap support abilities on the fly would go well, especially in raids.

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I didnt mean on the fly as in during battle, I meant if you are heading into a raid/dungeon and know to expect this and that, they you can swap some skills for others, but no one would be able to know or see, unless you tell them.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I didnt mean on the fly as in during battle, I meant if you are heading into a raid/dungeon and know to expect this and that, they you can swap some skills for others, but no one would be able to know or see, unless you tell them.

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But wouldn't that cause a bit of drama among the party since people are gonna demand to know what everyone has on? I mean, in dungeons, no one would give a damn what you use since dungeons are mainstream content, but in raids and savage/EX stuff, it might be a tricky issue. I think we would need better mechanics first before we think about juggling abilities for every fight.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I'm not sure letting people swap support abilities on the fly would go well, especially in raids.

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Wildstar went with a system like that, where you could constantly swap around your sets of abilities to fit your playstyle or whatever worked best for the content you were doing on top of being able to divide an extra set of points to add different passive effects and increased damage/healing to abilities you used depending on the situation. It was one of the better systems in that game. I'd constantly be tinkering with my hotkeys and had a few boss specific loadouts that allowed me to use the setup I felt worked best for me.

In one dungeon as a tank, I had a AoE/defense heavy loadout for the trash, a defensive loadout for the first boss, a more mobility focused loadout for the second boss, a secondary defensive/aoe loadout for the trash that hit harder, and a mobility/defense focused loadout for the last boss. On top of every setup also keeping in mind I needed to have some high threat moves to hold the boss and any adds that spawned I found it rather enjoyable.

Sounds like an idea I can get behind to add a bit of depth to this game (and maybe make it feel more like an RPG)
But I can see players demanding you have certain abilities and wanting you to get those before going into a raid and such because of "muh meta" same deal with why I can't see a traditional blue mage in this game working.

Either way to be honest, I'd like them to take a risk and implement this next expansion I guess. I know next to nothing about game design if it doesn't work out because of player behavior they can always patch it out can't they?

and go back to the boring same old same old

yeah, I will take auto revive, 1/2 MP cost and absorb all elements.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

yeah, I will take auto revive, 1/2 MP cost and absorb all elements.

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And the level up bonus for new expansions.