Purchasing Ventures with GC Seals & Centurio Seals

Afternoon Everyone.

Went to buy some ventures at my Grand Company & discovered that 200 GC seals will get me 1 venture. At this point of the game, I think that's too HIGH! Especially when your retainers can use them once every 18 hours. I wonder would the DEV team ever lower the amount.

I guess I feel this way because I have 4 retainers.

In the Foundation, 20 Centurio seals will get me 5 ventures which is a little more reasonable.

Hope the DEVs decided to lower the amount of GC seals to purchase ventures

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Originally Posted by Nighthawky2010

Especially when your retainers can use them once every 18 hours.

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It costs me 16 tokens per hour for quick ventures across my two characters and both characters have 4 retainers each. It is possible to rent more retainers from mogstation pushing each character up to 8 retainers each and then would cost me 32 venture tokens per hour. I have so many other things to do when log in, I simply do not have time to keep my venture token count up anymore. From beast tribe dailies, DoW/DoM daily roulette's, MGP farming, DoL/DoH scrip farming, gardening and airship crafting plus actually leveling and gearing up both characters across all DoH classes on both and all DoL classes on both. I just don't have the time anymore to be worrying about GC seal farming. If have only one character and only two basic retainers then I do not think it is expensive but if have 8-16 across two characters and try to fund them all on quick ventures every hour then yes it is too expensive.

Just greed on the drops from your roulettes and turn them in for seals. That should keep you with ventures for a while.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Just greed on the drops from your roulettes and turn them in for seals. That should keep you with ventures for a while.

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The roulette's generally take around 20-30 minutes each for most runs, in that time I rarely win any of the gear because I am using it for GC seals so I only use greed. That way people who actually need it will get them. A lot of the time the gear that do get is only worth 200-650 GC seals and by time I come out of the second roulette after 40-60 minutes my retainers will be back and wanting another 16 tokens. If I ran dungeons 24/7 and win all the gear from them I could afford to keep sending my retainers out but I cannot.

I cannot afford to spend the amount of time required to fund them when have so much else need to do and like I said if just have one character with the basic 2 retainers get for free then I see no problem at all with it...in my case though I have two characters and each have 4 retainers so in my situation yes it does become too expensive to fund them.

I am not gonna cry over it though, I am just saying it is too expensive for me personally to try and find the time to farm enough seals for venture tokens in order to keep all my 8 retainers going out on quick ventures every hour. I also need to use most of the GC seals on airships and crafting materials too. If anything I think SE should lower the cost of crafting materials using GC seals because most of the time I seem to need 81+ of them at 200 seals each or around 20 to 40 of them at 1500 seals each. I can't keep up with it anymore so my 8 retainers if lucky might go out once a day for an hour, twice a day at most then sit there doing nothing for the remaining 22-23 hours.

Eh, I think it's about right. Didn't they used to cost more? I'll tell you one thing, while farming for the Relic crystals doing all those fates I probably had about a dozen stacks of ventures because I had nothing else worth while to spend them on. Now I keep a decent flow going in relation to my play time but you also have to remember that a lot of those ventures are just netting you things you would otherwise have to go gather yourself. I don't think SE is going to make that any easier. This is an MMO after all, and the real currency is your time.

Gear from Hullbreaker Hard/Sohr Khai give 1180 seals each. Should be enough if you run those dungeons a lot.

I don't see what the problem is TC.


Your four retainer situation requires four Venture tokens per day. A single dungeon drop from an Expert Roulette trades for 1180 Seals. That's nearly five Ventures for a single drop. Sometimes 20 Ventures in a single run. If you are running out of Ventures then you simply aren't trying to obtain them. [Edit: Defeated by Tankhunter ^]

It would take a total of 76,800 seals to send my retainers out every hour for a 24 hour period on quick ventures which is the only venture type that I use since mine are all pretty much leveled already so exploration is pointless to me and all generic farming items (branches and ores etc) I gather myself rather than through my retainers. A quick venture costs 2 tokens per retainer per hour x 8 retainers equals 16 tokens per hour (3200 seals every hour). Even if run 2 dungeons at 30 mins per run, assuming only run the highest tier dungeons with best gear drops worth the most seals I would need to win the loot roll on at least 2 items per run and I would have to run those and win that amount non-stop to fund all my retainers every hour.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

It would take a total of 76,800 seals to send my retainers out every hour for a 24 hour period.

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TC is sending them out every 18 hours. An easily obtainable daily GC seal amount.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

It would take a total of 76,800 seals to send my retainers out every hour for a 24 hour period on quick venture

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The cost of ventures isn't balanced around players with multiple characters running with more than the normal amount of retainers (2)

If you want to run quick ventures on more than 2 retainers, on more than 1 character, you'll have to deal with the fact that you'll need more seals than the average player.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

TC is sending them out every 18 hours. An easily obtainable daily GC seal amount.

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I know that's why I said I do not see there being any problem if only have one character with the basic 2 retainer setup. I just said for me personally it is too expensive. My situation is not the same as the OP's but venture token cost is a problem for me in my situation.

I think SE can't really lower the cost for tokens just because of my situation aka people with more retainers than the basic amount as it would lead to an unfair advantage vs those with less retainers especially since it is balanced for the typical setup of one character with the 2 free retainers. However I do think SE could help me out a bit by lowering the cost of crafting materials from GC's for everyone which wouldn't really give anyone an advantage over others regardless of how many retainers own. If they cannot do that then maybe lowering the quantity of GC bought materials needed in high end crafting which would free up some more seals I can put towards my retainers.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

The roulette's generally take around 20-30 minutes each for most runs, in that time I rarely win any of the gear because I am using it for GC seals so I only use greed. That way people who actually need it will get them. A lot of the time the gear that do get is only worth 200-650 GC seals and by time I come out of the second roulette after 40-60 minutes my retainers will be back and wanting another 16 tokens. If I ran dungeons 24/7 and win all the gear from them I could afford to keep sending my retainers out but I cannot.

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This is nice and all but they are probably using them for the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by marewa

This is nice and all but they are probably using them for the exact same thing.

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Maybe but that will be on their conscience not mine. I do not feel comfortable personally rolling need on things I plan to use only to exchange for seals in case others might need it.

You can craft cheap green items and turn them in for seals. I have two charaters and 16 total retainers... By just crafting greens item for GC seals i was able to send them all out for ventures. Btw i have roughly 2000 plus venture on each charater from crafting greens gears for turn in and needing/greed everything in dungeon drop.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

because I am using it for GC seals so I only use greed. That way people who actually need it will get them.

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But you seem to actually need it.

Well even though I need the seals, it's not on the same level as someone who may need the gear for leveling. The seals will just be used for crafting materials, airship ventures and retainers. The retainers only purpose for being sent out now for myself is bringing back things to make gil. So that's why I only roll greed, if someone needs them for leveling I would rather they have it even if deprives myself of a lesser need.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Well even though I need the seals, it's not on the same level as someone who may need the gear for leveling. The seals will just be used for crafting materials, airship ventures and retainers. The retainers only purpose for being sent out now for myself is bringing back things to make gil. So that's why I only roll greed, if someone needs them for leveling I would rather they have it even if deprives myself of a lesser need.

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Your need for ventures is just as valid as their need for leveling gear, everyone has the same chance to win the roll. If you need the item for whatever purpose then need on it.

Wait, why TF are you spending centurio on ventures? Should be buying books to trade in for Gobtwines and Gobcoats.

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Originally Posted by Anubis_Nephthys

Wait, why TF are you spending centurio on ventures? Should be buying books to trade in for Gobtwines and Gobcoats.

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I assume its because the OP has too little GC seals to cover the rest

I'll throw my 2 gil in as someone who usualy does roll need on gear for seals (in EX and 60, I find anything less than Nevereap/Fractal pointless to ninjaloot for seals, especially if people need them for leveling). The way the game works if that dungeosn becaion overpowered becuase there is always gonna be a tighter challenge (Raids) and at least 2 gearsetls powerful enought for players to teckle saud content. As a result anyone who seriously raids or at least wants to be ahead of the curve for the rest of the content, would get the weekly capped tomestone gear.

As a result the dungeon gear from capped levels are useless for most players except for the seals. Anyone who needs them for their ilevel increase could just as easily grind tomestones with only a minimal difference. Chances are if they are in a mix of Lore and Midan gear, then they don't need the gear for its intended purpose, but instead for seals or gearing retainers (which is essentially the same as just grabbing ventures).

Leveling is a differently story, as OP points out people still need that gear until they reach 60, at that point, they have other ways to increase their iLevel. Leveling alts is another case, but, again, eso gear is just as good, especially considering that they are unlikely to raid on their alts

Have you checked the Vath Beast tribe npc? i think u can trade a token for like 70 ventures and you can get 3 tokens a day

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Originally Posted by Igrainne

Have you checked the Vath Beast tribe npc? i think u can trade a token for like 70 ventures and you can get 3 tokens a day

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Somehow I doubt the Vath woul be THAT generous with the ventures when rhe other token/venture exchange rates is still 1:1

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Well even though I need the seals, it's not on the same level as someone who may need the gear for leveling. The seals will just be used for crafting materials, airship ventures and retainers. The retainers only purpose for being sent out now for myself is bringing back things to make gil. So that's why I only roll greed, if someone needs them for leveling I would rather they have it even if deprives myself of a lesser need.

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it's impossible to need Expert/Lv 60 roulette stuff for leveling. unless you mean leveling desynthesis.

Protip:

Do not:
Spend GC seals on venture because the rate you consume is higher than the rate of getting them through seals.
It's not sustainable -especially if you're casual like myself.

Do:
Spend 20 allied seals for 5 ventures.
This is very sustainable even if you do minimal hunts.

You heard me right - 20 allied seals for FIVE ventures

I’m not saying what the OP should or shouldn’t do, but I will toss in my two cents. I buy ventures (usually in stacks of 50), I have four retainers, I usually send them all out on quick ventures only (unless I need to restock crystals), and I always have way more ventures than I can spend in any given day/week/whatever.

The only thing I do is turn in the daily crafted item on a couple jobs for exp/seals (rarely, depends if I’m in the mood to level some of my lower level crafters or not) and turn in gear that either my retainers bring back or I win through greed in dungeons. And yes, I typically ONLY roll greed unless it’s an item I need to complete a set or it’s an upgrade for the job I’m currently on (which is almost never in 4-man dungeons). I run only one expert roulette per day usually, unless it’s a weekend, then I may do more dungeons.

I literally have to spend my ventures FASTER so they don’t take more than one stack in my inventory.

The only caveat is that I am not OCD about sending them out. It’s more like “whenever I get back to my retainers” instead of “I must send them out again immediately after they return”. So if I play for six hours, I might send them out 2-3 times.

But, I could see the problem if you were trying to keep four retainers going every hour on the hour when they return, let alone on two characters. But…as others have stated, that’s not really what the cost of ventures from GC seals was designed around…

Hunt currency can make a big difference to the speed you obtain them. If you really need more then you'd be best to join an active hunt party, imo.

Also remember that the majority have only two retainers. It should remain somewhat balanced towards that.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

It would take a total of 76,800 seals to send my retainers out every hour for a 24 hour period on quick ventures which is the only venture type that I use since mine are all pretty much leveled already so exploration is pointless to me and all generic farming items (branches and ores etc) I gather myself rather than through my retainers. A quick venture costs 2 tokens per retainer per hour x 8 retainers equals 16 tokens per hour (3200 seals every hour). Even if run 2 dungeons at 30 mins per run, assuming only run the highest tier dungeons with best gear drops worth the most seals I would need to win the loot roll on at least 2 items per run and I would have to run those and win that amount non-stop to fund all my retainers every hour.

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Don't downplay exploratory ventures. The 16-hour ventures are the ONLY way to get Minions, which are some of the highest-value venture rewards.

Also don't downplay the value of basic ventures. They cost only one Venture apiece, and with a little market research you can find items that sell SO MUCH better than the random crap Quick ventures bring back.

As for earning GC points to get ventures, as folks have already said, you can get a crazy amount of GC points just by lotting the random dungeon armor drops. It's not at all uncommon, in fact, for me to get into a dungeon where everyone passes everything, thinking that the Tomestones are the only thing of value there. Their loss is my gain!

In my case, when dungeon drops are scarce, I send my retainers out on Exploratory 16-hour ventures. When drops are plentiful, I'll send them on Quick and Basic ventures until my supply of GC points starts to dip low again. (Generally I use my FSH retainer for Quick ventures, and send everyone else on Basic.)

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Don't downplay exploratory ventures. The 16-hour ventures are the ONLY way to get Minions, which are some of the highest-value venture rewards.

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I have all the minions from them already. Got them all from when was using exploratory ones for leveling but now my retainers are mostly leveled and have all the minions, in terms of normal ventures I use my character rather than retainers to farm the items because I can farm more than the retainers can bring back in a fraction of the time aka if retainer can bring back 30 logs in an hour I can farm those 30 logs in 5 minutes on my character. So the only venture type I do is quick ones.

Then farm fate... You need more venture than the average, then YOU need to put more effort than the average to earn more seals... (to get more Varech and gobbie... yay ;p)

I have 4 retainer, I can send them everytime i can and still have enough seals to buy some crafting materials (that I find too expensive on the market)

You are getting an unfair advantage of pay2profit.. stfu

I just do beast tribes. They supply my daily ventures. >.>'

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Also don't downplay the value of basic ventures. They cost only one Venture apiece, and with a little market research you can find items that sell SO MUCH better than the random crap Quick ventures bring back.

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So much this. Not only that, but they supply me with all the many mats I need to do my crafting scrips each week.

I'm a little late to this conversation, but I'm going to throw my 2 cents in anyway.

I only have 2 retainers, but I'm maxed on my GC rank so I have all the options for seals that are currently available. Between the seals you get from roulettes, turning in gear, turning in crafted/gathered items for GC seals and occasional FATEs if I'm leveling a DPS job, I end up with enough GC seals that I often buy half or full stacks of crafting items to give to FC mates just to have something to use them on. A rate of 200 GC seals per venture seems very reasonable considering how many ways to get seals there are.

I don't remember seeing NightHawky2010 mention what their GC rank is, but it would seem that perhaps they haven't ranked up much and can't turn in gear if 4 ventures a day (800 GC seals per day) isn't sustainable. Perhaps they don't play very often, though if that's the case, their retainers aren't going out very often either.

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Originally Posted by Reptiletc

I just do beast tribes. They supply my daily ventures. >.>'

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I aslo o Beast tribes, but since Im gunning for 13 Anima weapons, I find the opportunity cost a little too great outside of the Etchal 9

Well, other arguments aside, it costs 20 Allied seals to buy 5 ventures and 200 GC Seals to buy 1. That is fairly disproportionate, and makes GC seals relatively expensive. So I see the point being made. If you just do the basic daily hunt bills in ARR areas you can acquire (IIRC) 64 Allied seals a day, plus the 100 you can get for your Elite mark. That's 15 ventures a day just on daily marks, with another 25 (not 20 as my erroneous math had it earlier) coming from an elite mark, and the 'change' from your daily seals will nab you another 5 each week. So you can potentially get 125-130 seals just from doing your regular and elite hunt bills in ARR content. That is a far easier task than obtaining 125 ventures via GC seals, you'd need 3000 GC seals every day to match the ventures you can get with allied seals.

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Originally Posted by Grux

You heard me right - 20 allied seals for FIVE ventures

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Indeed. When I clicked on the topic I thought we would see a comparison of the number of seals to obtain ventures, because ventures are cheap when buying with allied seals but a bit more expensive when sinking 200 GC seals per venture...

200 seals is nothing. It's fine how it is.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Well, other arguments aside, it costs 20 Allied seals to buy 5 ventures and 200 GC Seals to buy 1. That is fairly disproportionate.

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Difference being, allied seals are something you have to actually go out of your way to obtain. GC seals are accumulated by barely trying.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

200 seals is nothing. It's fine how it is.



Difference being, allied seals are something you have to actually go out of your way to obtain. GC seals are accumulated by barely trying.

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Sorry, you have to be kidding, the basic hunt bills are easy, and you're not exactly going out of your way since you can be doing the basic marks while running FATE and waiting (if DPS) for a DR/DF Q to pop.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Well, other arguments aside, it costs 20 Allied seals to buy 5 ventures and 200 GC Seals to buy 1. That is fairly disproportionate, and makes GC seals relatively expensive. So I see the point being made. If you just do the basic daily hunt bills in ARR areas you can acquire (IIRC) 64 Allied seals a day, plus the 100 you can get for your Elite mark. That's 15 ventures a day just on daily marks, with another 20 coming from an elite mark, and the 'change' from your daily seals will nab you another 5 each week. (Snipped because of silly character limit).

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That's a good point. I think that the price difference has to do with the effort and chance involved in finding your hunt marks vs how little effort is required to get GC seals.

If you have a hunt linkshell, then it's probably the more efficient method.

I have four retainers I send out on quick explorations at least 3-4x a day. More on weekends. I never have a problem with running low on ventures or the cost of purchasing them through the GC. What else am I going to spend them on?

Now, mind you, I run roulette dungeons almost everyday and greed on anything and everything I can. Most of the time no one wants the gear so I typically get it. My retainers also bring back plenty of items I can turn in for seals too with the GC. Once I get close to 50K seals, I buy 99 ventures which drops me to about 29Kish and then I build that back up in about a couple weeks. On average, I have about 300-400 ventures on me.

I've never come across any issues with the price tag - I guess I don't see what the problem is here... 200 seals per 1 venture is not an issue - leave it as is.

I'm a mostly-crafter, and find no issue with 200 GC per venture. Only recently, now that my crafters all hit 60, that I might be running low on ventures, but I've never had a problem keeping up just doing my normal stuff. I do maybe one or two hunt targets a week so I had no idea you could even get ventures from that lol!

I do ventures across 8 retainers and I have 25k+ seals.