[New Player] finds crafting too grindy for a p2p game.

Hey guys!

I've been playing for a few days now and my main class is lvl30. I decided to start gathering and crafting, which is something I love doing in every MMO.

However, when I reached lvl20 Weaver, I realized that crafing is way too grindy. I need hundreds of Diremite whatever to proceed and the drop rate from those scopions is ridiculously low. I don't even get 1 per kill.

Then I also need hundreds of Lightning shards, which is again hours of logging for this trivial mat. And this is at lvl20 in a p2p game.

I also need Aldgoat skin for lvl25 recipes, which is something I can't even get because the area it comes from is lvl30+ and no harvesting nodes appeared for me.

I'm just saying I had great faith in this game, but I'm about to give up on crafting. I realize I will probably get attacked by fanboys, but for me a b2p + sub game just can't have so much grind.

All advice is appreciated. :)

For shards, you can do the 1, 5, 10 quests for all crafting jobs to begin with. That should give you quite a sum of shards.

The diremites territory is quite tedious. Although compared to the initial 2.0 drop rate its much better. Then again, you might need to farm the diremites that resides east of Fallgourd Float (North Shroud). Mobs are lvl 25ish if I recall.

Aldgoat skin, you can simply grind the goats near Drybone (East Thanalan). These mobs are 16-18. They do drop meat, horn and skin. Could take a while too but like the webs its not that bad (Compared to 2.0 drop rate).

Crafting takes time, and I advise to level the Gatherer professions too. Around 30s you need items that can be obtained only by harvesting nodes. However, should you want to simply power level your way to 50, using Guild Leaves on major cities gives tons of experience, especially if you can craft high quality items (or buy them on the market).

Good luck.

Thanks, that's already pretty helpful! I am a new player, can't afford AH so I'm gonna go the grindy way. Or maybe I should just ignore crafting and do it the easy way when I'm full of gil further down the road. Definitely tempted to ignore crafting now.

Get through the game a little longer, lots of quests and mobs and stuff give you shards, eventually you will have a decent amount of shards and won't need to gather or buy more, for a while at least.

Crafting gets easier with more classes leveled as they can share skills in between them to help on crafts and trust me it goes a long way of making everything easier to craft.
Should progressively work them to level 15 each at least for all the basic cross class skills. It's a quick process, doesn't take much work and it pays off!

Also this website is very helpful there's stuff you can buy from NPCs that you may not know and its all just there, so before going to the market try a quick search here! On the left side bellow the main bar

- If you level your retainers, you can have them do a lot of the farming for annoying materials.
- I would focus on keeping gathering a bit ahead of your crafting.
- I would also consider leveling your crafting jobs together as you go.

It's a long process, but in the end it's worth it. Don't get ahead of yourself. At 60 the catch up gearing added in 3.3 makes the playing field pretty even.

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Originally Posted by Cleanse

- If you level your retainers, you can have them do a lot of the farming for annoying materials.

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Came here to say this. As well as, WVR is one of the more complicated classes to level. Other classes don't take mats to make mats to make mats to make product. Don't give up yet :) Crafting is very rewarding and enjoyable (IMO) in this game.

Crafting is SUPER tedious. Trust me it doesn't get better. The only reaon to do it is to make a lot of gil to (you don't really need a lot of gil for anythingin this game except housing) so mostly for show, or to make gear so you can make more gear...
Some people also just like having lots of gil .

If your set on it though, lean what a macro is.
When I was low level I hired people to ge me mats, and I'd make them a set of gear for a stack of say aldgoat skins of w/e.

Last tip, I know thatit is fun to level up and use gear you made yourself and stuff, so if that's why your doing it then that's cool go for it.
But the Fastest least grinding method for levelling is using allowances (save up 100 then max out one craft ) and try to do as many GC turn ins as you can manage.

Tats how I do mine, then at like 52 you can use collectability turn ins.

EDIT *derp* I forgot Your playing as a girl character THE ACTUAL easiest way, is to flirt with guy characters and get them to make you your gears, then save up allowances, and flirt with guys to make your turn in items for free. Then give them a /wink "Nyank U! <3!" Tat should easily get you free crap.... You can also use that for free Gil

Level your battle classes first. There is little advantage to having a crafting class.
Most importantly, get high enough to unlock the Ixali quests. This is the easiest and most satisfying way to level crafters. This, and the Grand Company daily turnins, is how you want to level.
Try to keep them roughly the same level so they share gear. There's a good reason to level them all. At 50, you get the max benefit from them. You can do the moogle quests past that, which I believe requires a lv60 battle class.

You don't need hundreds of anything if you level via leves, which is the optimal and recommended way to level crafters.

Except maybe shards, but those can be bought for cheap on most servers.

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Ok, just a couple things as someone who leveled a weaver kinda on its own before i decided to do all the classes. There are a couple ways to cheat on diremite. If you assigned one of your retainers to a battle class, you can assign them to go get some diremite webs for you at level 24 or higher. And if memory serves, one of the best sources at your level is actually the dungeon Toto-Rak. I also had a friend leveling LTW at the time, and i offered him a web for skin exchange that worked out for both of us(Rikia was dead on about killing level 18ish goats near camp drybone to get skins). And the final cheat you cant currently use, but its out there. Once you advance the story far enough, you can do quests to become friends with outcasts of the major beast tribes. Each tribe sells some crafting materials that might otherwise be annoying to get. One of them sells Undyed Velveteen Cloth for a couple hundred gil each, potentially cutting your web needs by a lot in exchange for a bit of cash.

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Originally Posted by Elizabeast

All advice is appreciated. :)

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Crafting is where the game gets really complicated. If one looks at the problem solo and face on, it looks insurmountable. Leveling up gathers to max levels and making use of battle retainers and your own augmented gathering can greatly cut down on parts of the tedium and massively cut costs. None the less crafting is still a very intimidating job.

Much of this intimidation and annoyance becomes squashed through being able to start leveraging the market board, buying odds and ends other people don't need for cheep, and using those cheep parts to make goods (for leveling and sales). While leveling I would always look for a few low material options which looked "viable" for leveling. I would also make sure to check which items could be handed in as Leve Quests (where you hand in your crafted items for extra XP). And then I would check the market for costs on odds and ends that I might have to farm. Usually my goal while leveling would be to find something where I could buy the tedious items from the market board. I still do this same process today at max level using http://www.garlandtools.org/db/ to see where items come from and while making items to sell.

Ultimately if you train yourself to treat the market board as variable priced vender you'll find crafting much easier to approach in terms of time invested.

With all of this said, you will end up seeing that leveling up a battle/gathering class first and using ample extra gil to push your way through crafting (taking a loss on goods) will feel backwards but be a much more efficient use of your time. As it stands right now if you wanted to level only your crafting classes first, it would be a VERY intimidating process, primarily because of gil inflation, an expansion being out, and the lack of use of old world goods. In the past I have told people with a strong head, and ample determination you could level all your crafters first by buying materials and selling goods (I did this leveling all my crafters to 50 before coming anywhere near finishing the main quest on my bard). None the less with the expansion out you would have to be very market savey and patient to do this nowdays.

Here is my advice for leveling crafting efficiently and relatively quick. This is the same approach I used leveling all of my crafts and being one of the very first on our server to reach level 60 in all crafts at the start of heavensward.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...jRVWTJyYmpHdEk

OP are you doing levequests? because it doesn't sound like you are if you are making hundreds of anything. I'd look into finding levequests that are an appropriate level for you.

Levequests are one of the easiest ways to level a crafter. Levequests should be available at the adventurer guild in the respective city that your crafter guild is in.

@OP, I\\'m not the best at crafting but I\\'ll just provide my own experience and hopefully it\\'ll provide some comfort to your situation.

I started out with only levelling my DoW class. And played for at least 5months without so much as remotely touching crafting. But as with all things, I eventually started to feel bored and since I felt it would be a waste paying a sub without experiencing so many things, I started crafting. Due to my long adventures, I amassed a comfortable amount of monster drops, various craft items, and gil from the many many quests/dungeons/etc that I did as a DoW.

On that note, I would suggest a compromise for your situation. You should focus on your DoW adventures first, enjoy the MSQ and the excellent plot and character lore. In the meantime, go check out daily Grand Company Supply&Provisioning missions. They are just daily "quests" that require you to craft only ONE item, and turn it in for exp and GC seals for that respective class. GC seals have lots of use and you can check it out too on your own time , but more importantly, you can make use of this free daily \\\\'quest\\\\' to provide that bit of experience for your craft class (or classes) while you focus on your DoW.

To summarize, you are feeling the grind pressure because you\\\\'re fresh and lack the resources. But it does get lots of fun later on. Trust me (and the rest of us that enjoy the game too). Enjoy!

Sorry, had to do a new post to add on, can\\'t edit on mobile :(

If you're farming mobs for drops, you might want to invest some levels into Rogue/Ninja. At level 15 they learn a skill called Mug which increases item drops if it's used just before the mob dies.

....then don't craft??
Did I read that correctly? You're thinking of quitting because you don't like the....crafting?

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Came here to say this. As well as, WVR is one of the more complicated classes to level. Other classes don't take mats to make mats to make mats to make product. Don't give up yet :) Crafting is very rewarding and enjoyable (IMO) in this game.

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Cooking wants to have a word with you. It feels hurt and betrayed that you'd put another class before it. /pats cooking There there! Who's the most frustrating class to level up? You are!

@OP: There are leve quests, GC daily turn-ins, and two beast tribes to help with the process. You can also make use of the quick synth process if you're as lazy as I am. I'd suggest doing them in blocks. As in, do your GC daily turn-ins for each class but then focus on one to spend your leves on one until it gets to a certain level then switching it to the next (say, get one to 5 then pick up one of the others to get to 5, rinse and repeat.)

It makes the process easier if you try to level them all about the same time because most recipes require stuff from other classes. It's just a tiny EXP boost and you won't go broke buying stuff off the MB.

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Originally Posted by Anubis_Nephthys

....then don't craft??
Did I read that correctly? You're thinking of quitting because you don't like the....crafting?

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Completely justified. There are those of us out there that play the game for DoH/DoL. XD

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Here is my advice for leveling crafting efficiently and relatively quick. This is the same approach I used leveling all of my crafts and being one of the very first on our server to reach level 60 in all crafts at the start of heavensward.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...jRVWTJyYmpHdEk

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Thx for the picture
This is what I'm doing basically everyday
Except you can use the Ixal beast daily to level a crafting job
Leveled my Alchemy to 50 with Ixal quests

If you want to make all your stuff with organic, locally sourced, hand picked materials from bean to bar, then your life will be miserable. I got BTN to about level 10 before I said, "to heck with this." You don't have to gather and harvest everything yourself.

Approach this from a business perspective. Buying materials and crystals is a cost of business. If you can make a finished product that is worth more than it cost you, then go for it. You can usually make a profit if you can make an item HQ. There is plenty of Gil to be had on pre-60 gear that the high level crafters stopped caring about if you can make it HQ.

If you can only turn a profit by gathering your own materials, then you would be better off selling the raw materials. Find more profitable items to craft or just do gathering.

One of my FC mates was kind enough to craft me HQ turn-ins for all the leves up to 50. I took ALC from 0 to 50 in one day.

Doing it the "real" way is far more time consuming, but there are lots of tools at your disposal. Levequests help a LOT, and the Ixali beast tribe quests are fantastic. I started crafting after having played combat classes for three years though, so I already had a lot of stuff to begin with, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

You don't have to gather and harvest everything yourself.

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This latest patch, perhaps. The materials don't cost very much. They're laughingly cheap. Last patch? I don't think it was possible, unless you had a ton of gil. The prices are dramatically different. We're talking 100k ingot vs 1+ mil an ingot.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

If you want to make all your stuff with organic, locally sourced, hand picked materials from bean to bar, then your life will be miserable.

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I would rather be self sufficient than at the mercy of the market board so it is just a perspective thing. I enjoy gathering. I have a friend that lvled his gatherers doing the turnins for grand company exclusively. It was easy and didn't take much energy or time. If you lvl your gatherers you will never be beholden to the market board and that is what many crafters would like to avoid.

For Diremite webs do the Weaver levequests in Quarrymill (South Shroud).

I believe they award like 9 webs each.
I never killed any monsters to get webs, and never bought any on the Market Board.

Got all of them from doing levequests.

Here is a tip: Check the levequest rewards before accepting it.
If none of the Weaver quests give Diremite webs as a reward, do a different levequest. (I recommend the mining or botanist levequest).
When you finish that mining or botanist levequest, get the reward. When you receive the reward for any levequest, all of the other available quests are refreshed.

Check the weaver quests again and see if one offers Diremite webs.
If not, do another mining / botanist levequest until you get the weaver quests which offers diremite webs.

So that is the best way to tackle that.

For crystals, I had my retainers gathering them constantly. And, I gathered them myself.

Make everything HQ. People will pay a lot of money for HQ items, even at levels 20 and 30. Much higher than the price of mats or time spent gathering them.
Either save the money you earn from selling HQ items and gather items yourself, or use that money to buy more materials (but you won't have too much savings).

Weaver was my hardest class to level, because it requires so many mats and the Diremite webs are annoying. Fleece is also kind of annoying later on, because you need SO much.
But it is easy to get.

EDIT: Just to reiterate what others say, do Grand Company Crafting turn ins daily. They give a huge boost to your crafting experience.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Cooking wants to have a word with you. It feels hurt and betrayed that you'd put another class before it. /pats cooking There there! Who's the most frustrating class to level up? You are!

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You're not wrong, but I didn't say WVR was the most frustrating. I hated leveling CUL (Twice! I must be a masochist) and it is the most frustrating by far, but the mats are usually allowed in the rawest of states, which actually makes it the least complicated.

your retainer can gather all the shards you want and items for crafting too.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

your retainer can gather all the shards you want and items for crafting too.

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I would rather have my retainer get me materials for sale on MB.
1 venture = 30 ores/wood
30 ores/wood = 15-30k (depending on the ore/wood)

1 venture = 60 shards
60 shards costs 2-5K

I would rather buy 750 shards with the 30K earned from the ore/wood.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

I would rather have my retainer get me materials for sale on MB.
1 venture = 30 ores/wood
30 ores/wood = 15-30k (depending on the ore/wood)

1 venture = 60 shards
60 shards costs 2-5K

I would rather buy 750 shards with the 30K earned from the ore/wood.

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This is extremely accurate. Usually having your retainer pull in a profitable good to sell is the smartest option and buying what you need for shards or other low priced items your retainer could gather is better.

I would definitely suggest levequests if you aren't already doing those. You can do a quick google search for leves at your current level and go from there. It's one thing that speeds things up. The beast tribes also work well too.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

You're not wrong, but I didn't say WVR was the most frustrating. I hated leveling CUL (Twice! I must be a masochist) and it is the most frustrating by far, but the mats are usually allowed in the rawest of states, which actually makes it the least complicated.

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You are a God among man. O.O I think CUL makes up for the raw state of materials by the sheer amount of them and how they tend to be CUL exclusive. End game stuff, WVR cloth last patch was the worst though. That really sucked. Having to craft one normal item then a one star item along with the gathering stuff? Yeah.