Dark Knight vs Paladin Mitigation

Dark Knight(Shadow Skin) Group A
Reprisal -10%
Parry -20%
Shadow Skin -20%
"Total Hit = 5,760
Total Mitigation = 42.4%"
+3.84%
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Dark Knight(Shadow Wall) Group B
Reprisal -10%
Parry -20%
Shadow Wall -30%
"Total Hit = 5,040
Total Mitigation = 49.6%"
-4.32%
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Paladin(Rampart) Group A
Rage of Halone -4%
Parry -20%
Rampart -20%
"Total Hit = 6,144
Total Mitigation = 38.56%"
-3.84%
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Paladin(Sentinel) Group B
Rage of Halone -4%
Parry -20%
Sentinel -40%
"Total Hit = 4.608
Total Mitigation = 53.92%"
+4.32%
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Winners Dark Knight Group A wins Paladin Group B
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Here are the numbers I'm working with at the moment. I would really appreciate anyone that can help me to fix anything that I might have gotten wrong in my calculations.

Note One: I assume that Rage of Halone is not a flat -10% damage reduction based on the fact that is Strength and not physical damage reduction outright.

Note Two: I was using another persons numbers from Reddit for the Rage of Halone damage reduction, so I'm not sure how accurate those are. I haven't played my Paladin in ages and thought it would be quicker to get input from others who actively play theirs.

Note Three: This is assuming the perfect scenario where Both Paladin and Dark Knight get a Parry and have their respective damage reduction abilities applied to the mob on a 10,000 damage tank buster.

Note Four: Again this is for Physical only, as it is already clear that Paladins are behind Dark Knight when it comes to Magic Damage.

One question. Why are you using Bulwark(increased block chance) as opposed to Rampart which is the same as Shadowskin?

If you were to compare Bulwark it's DRK counterpart would be Dark Dance. Which then you would have to factor the DA version as well that buffs Evasion.

Thanks for that. When I was writing it out I totally forgot it was called Rampart instead of Bulwark. For Some reason I will constantly mix those two skills names up, even though I played a Paladin all through 2.0

In a "perfect" scenario a paladin would block not parry, unless you have a really gimped shield a block will reduced more damage than a parry. It's also far more reliable that a paladin will have Shelton available to make that block happen than for a drk to have reprisal up and get a parry.

Reliability is a huge factor in mitigation, if you can't rely on something to mitigate a tank buster then it is widely considered worthless as a defensive measure against busters (see any thread about parry being a worthless stat). If you replace parry with Shelton in your paladin groups (Shelton is reliable as 100% block). And take reprisal and parry out of the drk groups due to unreliability (drk has no way to 100% ensure a parry or that they will have reprisal up for the tank buster) you get a much different picture.

Shadow wall is also wrong. it's not -40%, it's -30.

Also if you're only doing a boss fight where it does physical damage, PLD will beat out DRK due to shieldtron.

If you're talking about groups (trash pulls) DRK will probably destroy PLD if you also take into consideration their ability to self-sustain with DA + Abysal Drain, depending on the number of mobs that are hitting the DRK.

Rage of Halone is around ~9.x% reduction to physical damage, I tested it out at somepoint but forget exactly how much it was. It's not that far from 10%.

You guys know that drk has magical reducation drk has higher magic reduce if the tank buster is magical also parry isnt reliable sometimes

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Thanks for the information about Rage of Halone. I probably update the formula for Paladin tomorrow night when I get a little more time available to reflect your own data instead of the 4% I used.

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Thanks for the info about a shield block being better. I've been away from the game for a long time and recently returned, so my memory of how much shield block is vs a parry is fuzzy at best. If you could provide me with an average % an iLevel 210+ Paladin would block for that would be great, as I could update the Paladins data with it.

Also, about the reason I'm including the parry in the Dark Knights section, is that I want a perfect scenario for everything just worked out right. I know that is not practical from my own experience tanking in multiple games for the last 15 years or so. However, this is just a for fun project and for my personal amusement, and incase anyone may find this data useful I would like to leave it out for everyone.

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Thank you for that note Seku. My calculation was done with Shadow Wall at 30%, but it was just simply a typing error that I put it on this list at 40%. I have corrected my post to reflect this now. I really should start proof reading my stuff, but it was late when I posted it and being tired I just wanted to get it on the forums to get peoples input.

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Please refer to my original post on the sections titled Note Three and Note Four. This is not to be taken as trying to prove one tank better than the other, as I don't really care. I believe all of the numbers to be so close together, that it doesn't really matter which one you choose to bring to any content.

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there will be never a perfect scenario never so it somewhat false info.

Even if this is a small fun project you cannot run a 100% perfect scenario your the information is going to be false and how the hell is it fun to run 100% perfect scenarios. Its like watching a dog chasing a cat over and over again and the cat gets away 100% of the time

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It's not false information, just not statistically as likely to happen as other scenarios as this does indeed have a chance to happen with all of these buffs/debuts applied. However, like I said I won't be using to base completely Dark Knights abilities off of, as once all of the data has been corrected I will be able to use this for future reference when I want to see any combination of abilities.

Also, another reason for me making this is that I couldn't find this data anywhere else and thought it might be useful to others too. Also, people like different things, I like finding out what the absolute best scenario is for each tank(with correct numbers of course) and calculating it. Once all of the numbers are there with the correct data anyone could work backwards to get data for more common occurrences than listed. Once I get the data for an iLevel 210+ Paladin's Shield Block my data will be complete. I may add Warrior in the future, but I don't have a substantial amount of experience playing them, so I would need help putting together that data from another person who does.

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It's not false information, just not statistically as likely to happen as other scenarios as this does indeed have a chance to happen with all of these buffs/debuts applied. However, like I said I won't be using to base completely Dark Knights abilities off of, as once all of the data has been corrected I will be able to use this for future reference when I want to see any combination of abilities.

Also, another reason for me making this is that I couldn't find this data anywhere else and thought it might be useful to others too. Also, people like different things, I like finding out what the absolute best scenario is for each tank(with correct numbers of course) and calculating it. Once all of the numbers are there with the correct data anyone could work backwards to get data for more common occurrences than listed. Once I get the data for an iLevel 210+ Paladin's Shield Block my data will be complete. I may add Warrior in the future, but I don't have a substantial amount of experience playing them, so I would need help putting together that data from another person who does.

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My i220 Kite Shield is currently reducing damage by 22% on a block. This will hopefully increase to 23% by the time I reach i240, but I'm not certain it will. Tower Shields in this category should be reducing around 30% but only Kite Shields currently exist from i220 on.

Regarding Warrior things... let's see if I can combine the groups like you did. I think the best analogues to Rampart/Shadowskin and Sentinel/Shadow Wall are the Trill of Battle+Convalescence combo(only together do they become equivalent to damage reduction) and Vengeance respectively. You've disregarded Foresight in all of your calculations thus far so I won't include it myself.

Group A(Thrill + Conva)
Thrill + Conva -17.77%
Storm's Path -10%
Inner Beast -20%
Parry -20%
Total Hit = 4798.08
Total Reduction = 52.02%

Group B(Vengeance)
Vengeance -30%
Storm's Path -10%
Inner Beast -20%
Parry -20%
Total Hit = 4032
Total Reduction = 59.68%

I think an interesting discussion would be Shield Blocking VS Reprisal+Grit'd Souleater VS Storm's Path, and the pros and cons of each.

You cannot run a 100% perfect scenario not let become 100% perfect there is to many variables you gotta take account for those and how to eliminate them

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Wow, thanks for that information Donjo. I will update my post with all of that after tomorrow as I'm a little busy now. That pretty much filled in all of the data I needed for everything. I'm a little surprised how much mitigation Warrior can pull off in perfect scenarios.

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No doubt Xenosan, I think that would be an interesting discussion to have. I may start another thread later on about it after I read more about each of them. I'm just trying to concentrate on a perfect scenario with mitigation for each of the tanks with this thread so I can collect all of the data first.

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In not insinuating that it would happen with any regularity or that one could even force a chain of events like this at will. However, I know for a fact that I have had this chain of events happen to me while tanking, now I doubt I could get it happen during a boss fight, especially when a tank buster is about to happen. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. But like I said in a previous post, this is just to gather the data for an optimal situation for each tank and then anyone can use the data to work backwards to get any combination of skills.