Allagan Tomestones tied of grind new ideas thread to get them.

Don't know if there is a thread for this but this thread is mainly about the Allagan Tomestones over all. I don't mind having to grind to level up my character when it comes to jobs but having to grind for Allagan Tomestones is such a chore. To the point where I am so sick of having to do the same dungeons over and over again that I now ether full asleep during the dungeon or I'm just not fully dedicated to fight even when I want to be.

I know u can get them in PVP. But I didn't buy FF14 for PVP I hate PVP in MMORPGs.

So this thread is to think of new idea's to be able too
Collect them.

I think there should be special quests to beable to get them. Or even as Miner locations where u can mine for them.

What do you guys think?

I just don't want the grind to kill any interest I have in doing dungeons. It's bad enough that we have to repeat primal fights and dungeons as it is just to get EXP from DR, which by the way is not that bad but once u get to level 50 since exp from fates after 53 and up is not that great having to do the same dungeons for exp becomes a right pain. Why is it everything in this game slowly becomes a grind. I know I know it's an RPG game but still lol.

Treasure maps
Beastmen dailies
Diadem
Trials

Miners don't need Allagan tomestones, so they get items they can trade for sripts

hmm, new ideas:

Treasure map dungeon
extra rare NM FATEs, that get stronger depending how fast he was killed last time

I think they should have used gil and not a new currency from the beginning. You can obtain gil however you like and you spend it on new gear every time new gear comes out. It gives the game a gil sink. But no.. If we get anything we get it their way or no way. I just bought the 220 crafted set. Im not bother with any tomes this time around. Or anytime soon. Tomes are a waste of content imo. Its the way the game was made. Honestly this game is most likely doomed to be this way forever. tomes, tomes, tomes, until you leave and just stop coming back. I dont think there is anything they can do to fix it besides adding other ways to gain gear. They tried that with relic and every time its the same crap. Crystal farming, do dungeons/fates/get items that are rare. Its just too hard for them to be unique and come up with ideas that are not reskins.So im basically playing how i want, looking for any way to not fall into the repetition. (thats why im buying gear that is crafted and haven't tried every type of content yet/for ex: bismark, ravana, thordan ex trials) I dont know what to do to fix it though. Ive also long given up hope. Maybe they should increase tome item prices and remove the cap and give ways to gain tomes kind of like you said, through mining or other means..

Well, you said it yourself, everything becomes a grind. If any way yields a higher profit/time ratio than roulettes, then everyone will spam that, to grind towards the weekly cap. The special quests would get repetitive (even moreso than the dungeons, look at how much faster paced beast tribe dailies are compared to their 2.0 counterparts... because people get tired of repetition so quickly) and gathering itself is already repetitive. So adding lore tomes to that wouldn't make it more exciting, it would just change the scenery of the grind. Plus, DoH/DoL have scrips now as their version of tomes.

I personally would love new ways to get tomes. But I've just kind of accepted that /any/ way to get tomes, especially a fast and/or easy way to get tomes, is going to be repetitive when done daily and feel just like spamming the roulettes. Imo the best way to not burn out is to take a week or two off, don't pressure yourself to cap, just take time to just do what you want. Because you'll get burnt out on grinding anything, in any form, in any scenery. I think a step in the right direction would be to go back to three dungeons per patch, or to scrap HM dungeons and give us two new dungeons. I feel like the majority of the playerbase really does not care, at all, about what happened to Pharos Sirius or what happened to Hullbreaker Isle. I know I don't care, I'd rather get something new than get a poorly-conceived filler story slapped onto an old dungeon that is obviously made up of the original dungeon just to cut corners and save time.

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I feel like the majority of the playerbase really does not care, at all, about what happened to Pharos Sirius or what happened to Hullbreaker Isle. I know I don't care, I'd rather get something new than get a poorly-conceived filler story slapped onto an old dungeon that is obviously made up of the original dungeon just to cut corners and save time.

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Definately agree with that.

I just want a dungeon i like and can run over and over 2.0 had bray hm hullbreaker snow cloak wanders hm all 3 towers 3.0 so far for me have all missed the mark

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

I think they should have used gil and not a new currency from the beginning. *snip* I just bought the 220 crafted set. Im not bother with any tomes this time around. Or anytime soon.

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Yes you can buy gear with gil. Crafted meldable gear isn't cheap but it's an option as you've indicated. I purchased 220 gear for my blm and astro on my main. It's expensive on my server but then again I make lots of gil gathering 220 mats to sell on the market board. Midas also doesn't use tomes although you get them when running the floors. It's also an option for gear that isn't directly tied to tome farming. My Pally is in full midan gear at the moment although I did need 1000 Lore for the sword and shield. Granted token farming in Midas can be very frustrating at times especially if you need one item such as a Shaft to complete a gear set.

I see what you guys are saying I find it strange that they can't come up with brand new dungeons all the time instead giving us extreme mode or hard mode of a prevous dungeon I really do love The Antitower in my mind it's actullay one of the best dungeons I'm HW I'm just worried that my interest will die very soon because of having to grind.

I think ur right though I wish we could just use gill to buy the gear. I can see it now new exp pack comes great new Tomes to collect. So many things that I feel like have been implemented wrong into this game. Housing is one and Tomestones is a second. My hate for DF is strong because I always wanted this game to have open world dungeons not DF dungeons. But that will change when I hope they give us an option to be able to solo dungeons I guess. Summoner is another thing but not gonna go into that lol.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

I see what you guys are saying I find it strange that they can't come up with brand new dungeons

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There does appear to be a new approach to dungeons in 3.3. It remains to be seen what type of gear might drop there and what tome rewards if any will be a part of it.

Palace of the Dead
The Palace of the Dead. As players delve deeper into this dungeon, the environment will change and there will be bosses to fight. Some “special” bosses will also appear on multiple floors.

There will be duty finder matchmaking for the area and balanced based on four players. It can be played solo, but will be a great challenge. Players who fail to reach the next check point before defeat will have to start over from the last autosave. The special weapons, one of which can be seen glowing a screenshot below, can be taken out of the dungeon and used other content.

The ability to upgrade weapons as the dungeon is “challenged” will be added, and along with items which can only be used inside this dungeon. https://www.vg247.com/2016/04/30/fin...ing-additions/

Aquapolis
Another new dungeon, the Aquapolis, will appear randomly when players uncover a Dragonskin Map. Once the entrance appears, those who enter the structure will find the layout “isn’t random” but finding the final room will take some luck. This is battle content and not gathering-related, so prepare to fight. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/001484.html

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You can buy gear with gil.

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Did you even read the quote you pasted from me? I clearly said I bought 220 gear xD And yes i got tomes for my weapon as well. Just like you did. You basically stated that i could do what i already said i did.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Did you even read the quote you pasted from me? I clearly said I bought 220 gear xD And yes i got tomes for my weapon as well. Just like you did. You basically stated that i could do what i already said i did.

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Yes I did given i quoted your comment didn't I? I was just reinforcing your point that crafted gear is an option to tome gear and you can already purchase it with gil.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

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Ah ok. Sorry i am very tired and that confused me a bit. I suffer from insomnia. I thought you were trying to oppose my comment or something.
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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Ah ok. Sorry i am very tired and that confused me a bit. I suffer from insomnia. I thought you were trying to oppose my comment or something.

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Oh it's fine. My wording could have been better I suppose. Personally I like the idea of being able to purchase gear that is worth using in dungeons especially when one has multiple roles and tome farming really doesn't allow for you the ability to gear them optimally. I wish the crafting requirements for making them wasn't so difficult though. It's hard to find crafters who can make that gear and on my server at least the prices are a bit crazy.

Prices have actually gone up on much of it where the cost of mats have gone down, go figure. A caster top I'd like for my alt was selling at 700k and is now selling for 1.7 million. :/

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

on my server at least the prices are a bit crazy.

Prices have actually gone up on much of it where the cost of mats have gone down, go figure. A caster top I'd like for my alt was selling at 700k and is now selling for 1.7 million. :/

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I think our big crafters are all in hibernation until they can make big gil in 3.3. lol

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

A caster top I'd like for my alt was selling at 700k and is now selling for 1.7 million. :/

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Oh my, that is quite the inflation. x_x I got my gear a while back and only 1 piece was close to a mil, the rest was around 200-600k each. I was lucky enough to get the tank set and the drg set both HQ.

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Originally Posted by LadyVal

I think our big crafters are all in hibernation until they can make big gil in 3.3. lol

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It's ridiculous. I bought much of it (which I didn't have crafted) when prices were **cough** reasonable compared to now. I have some friends who are pretty good crafters but some at least can't guarantee HQ and as such won't make it. Our server is crazy when it comes to mb pricing. Sad fact of life is a lot of crafters were very frustrated with the HW content and stopped crafting altogether.

I would like to see better tome per difficulty scaling. Savage and extreme primals should give you much more tomes than experts imo.

The prices of items depend on the supply and demand. If there are crafters fighting with one another they are gonna be lower. I am crafting i220 accessories and one day they can sell for 300k, which means the war is quite brutal ^^", and the next one they get back up to 900k coz the cheap goods were sold and the crafters got exhausted. Based on the MB history it would seem overpriced, while in reality the market was just flooded previously.

If it is ongoing issue on your server it might be great idea to get into crafting the stuff yourself! Or motivate your friends to gear up their crafters. Seems like a great opportunity tbh

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

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That feels abit more opened world content that's cool. Love the hole solo idea.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

I would like to see better tome per difficulty scaling. Savage and extreme primals should give you much more tomes than experts imo.

The prices of items depend on the supply and demand. If there are crafters fighting with one another they are gonna be lower. I am crafting i220 accessories and one day they can sell for 300k, which means the war is quite brutal ^^", and the next one they get back up to 900k coz the cheap goods were sold and the crafters got exhausted. Based on the MB history it would seem overpriced, while in reality the market was just flooded previously.

If it is ongoing issue on your server it might be great idea to get into crafting the stuff yourself! Or motivate your friends to gear up their crafters. Seems like a great opportunity tbh

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So would you say crafting gear is better than Tomestones gear as I like to call it lol?

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

So would you say crafting gear is better than Tomestones gear as I like to call it lol?

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I am not fond of weekly limits and daily bonuses, because that way there is the pressure to do the chores in certain time limit. For example if I decide to level an alt job this week I get behind others and there is no way to catch up the next week. You have to wait till the next tier of gear to really catch up - which is ridiculous. Why can't we just do what we want to do when we want to do it? It is supposed to be a game not a job.

If I hit lvl 60 with a new job it will take weeks to gear it up in lore or midan gear. I can get crafted gear in an hour easily if the gil coins allow it. So from this perspective the crafted gear is much better.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

So would you say crafting gear is better than Tomestones gear as I like to call it lol?

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I dont think it matters too much if you overmeld you should be able to raid at least a little.
You 'May' have some trouble with raiding. I have hq220 and 210 esoteric lance on DRG and im i219 i think. I can do anything so far and im not even using materia at all yet. I havent attempted any Alex yet though.(im pacing myself)

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Originally Posted by Archaell

from this perspective the crafted gear is much better.

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Absolutely! I tend to ask myself "What were they thinking?" when i speak of tomes and scrips and timed content in general. Of course i know the answer($$$). xD

If they made it where gil was king for gear at endgame, then I'd expect over inflated prices followed RMT

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

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They could always make the end game gear NPC shop items like the tomes gear but just cost gil instead and people who would buy gil are not good reasons to make a game a certain way. Also the gil gear didnt have to be king but equal. they could sell tome gear and make it obtainable through tomes as well as gil for multiple options. They have the seals too.. for hunts and some older tome gear but its not up to date with current end game gear. So this eliminated the options for up to date players.

I think that this game, if anything, seriously LACKS a gear grind. I mean...what can you really do to progress your character outside of your Square Enix-allotted "fun time"? Grind for tomes? Whoops, you hit your 450 for the week. Story mode Midas/24-mans? Might as well log out once you've got your weekly drop (which isn't even the "best" gear you can get anyway, lol). Savage raids? Same weekly lockout, no matter how skilled you and your group are! Sub-par crafted gear? Shiiiiiiiet, even THAT'S gated by weekly things!

If you want to argue that 2-dungeon DEXR is boring as sin, I won't deny it, but that's hardly the definition of a "grind". You log in, spend 20-30 minutes on it, then log out.

I try to look at the DEXR runs as chances at more then just the Lore, and that makes them go down far easier.

I collect Minions and TT cards so each run is a chance to get them all from the new DEXR dungeons. It's worked out pretty well, except for 1 this time around (Morpho I'm looking at YOU! *grumble seen it once...*) so far. So that is always an added bonus.

I can also greed on the normal drops to turn them into the GC, and then into ventures to make Gil as I go too.

Sometimes I get a great run with folks, and it's fun too, or do it with FC mates which always is a plus.

I just try to see it as more then my Lore chore.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

I dont think it matters too much if you overmeld you should be able to raid at least a little.
You 'May' have some trouble with raiding. I have hq220 and 210 esoteric lance on DRG and im i219 i think. I can do anything so far and im not even using materia at all yet. I havent attempted any Alex yet though.(im pacing myself)

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You can do A5S if you're a good DRG (beating the A5S dummy) and get some melds (you probably need the Seph weapon as well)...but unless you are really good, that's all you can do with your gear. Meld it (properly) and get the Seph weapon or Lore weapon and you could possibly do A6S if you're good (beat dummy and pass HP and mechanics checks). Beyond that...you'd have to be top-tier and definitely get better gear

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

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Thats pretty much how I think. Im tired of having pretty mudh almost everything gated behind a lockout. Its evern worse if you dont do savage or want to gear another class. It gets annoying.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

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Ahh ok, thanks!

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Allagan Tomestones tied of grind new ideas thread to get them.

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Make them craftable? It doesn't have to be easy, or the mats super easy to get (they should at least be able to be gathered though, and not only by running instances, which would defeat the purpose of my idea), but it could really smooth out the grind some if you aren't railroaded into The One True Way of getting tomes. Makes the end-game less boring.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Schmoe

Make them craftable? It doesn't have to be easy, or the mats super easy to get (they should at least be able to be gathered though, and not only by running instances, which would defeat the purpose of my idea), but it could really smooth out the grind some if you aren't railroaded into The One True Way of getting tomes. Makes the end-game less boring.

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+1

the devs could add special mats to the lv60 dungeons that allow to craft the tomestone gear as an alternative way to get them. Of course they would be still unique so the crafters don't overproduce them.